I'm at a loss (some musings regarding humor/free speech/offendedness)

Jogre said:
They don't have to explain it.

They choose to explain it.

There are no legal penalties, there is no force involved, they choose to respond to criticism in whatever way they choose.

Outrage is not censorship. When people respond to outrage, however they respond to it is their fault, not the fault of the critics they are responding to.

This whole idea that the moment anyone takes offence or shows outrage is equivalent to "Censorship" is ridiculous.

This crying "Censorship" any time someone recieves any backlash whatsoever will create a Cry Wolf affect, and I'm worried that actual censorship will go under the radar because of people misusing the word.
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I actually did not mean it as an outcry to cencorship, I am extremely wary of that whole scenario myself, and I have never indicated that comedians are "cencored" in any way. If they were, we wouldn't be hearing or seeing them, would we?
A lot of the cry-cencorship-movement are only trying to push for open bigotry and hate-speech anyway, so it's - imo - an illegitimate movement that I want no part of.

I am merely exasperated with how volatile people are as of late, and how difficult it is to actually take someones side, while at the same time using humor or irony.
 
Jogre said:
They don't have to explain it.

They choose to explain it.

There are no legal penalties, there is no force involved, they choose to respond to criticism in whatever way they choose.

Outrage is not censorship. When people respond to outrage, however they respond to it is their fault, not the fault of the critics they are responding to.

This whole idea that the moment anyone takes offence or shows outrage is equivalent to "Censorship" is ridiculous.

This crying "Censorship" any time someone recieves any backlash whatsoever will create a Cry Wolf affect, and I'm worried that actual censorship will go under the radar because of people misusing the word.
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The thing is, that there is a place for criticism and outrage and there is just ... nagging and complaining on a subject you don't really understand.

 
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In my opinion comedy is like this. Either everything is forbidden, or nothing is forbidden. It's all subjective to personal taste.
 
zegh8578 said:
I am merely exasperated with how volatile people are as of late, and how difficult it is to actually take someones side, while at the same time using humor or irony.
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Fair enough.
Crni Vuk said:
The thing is, that there is a place for criticism and outrage and there is just ... nagging and complaining on a subject you don't really understand.
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So?

Unless they have the actual force of the law behind them, or have a genuine chance of getting it behind them, why care what a few critics say?

This seems kinda making a big deal out of something that any sensical person would just, IDK, ignore.
 
Because we see people loosing their Job and existence due to it? Because some people on Universities run ammok?

I am a leftist, but this PC/SJW culture is simply put, cancerous. It's not criticism and it's not meant to be criticsm. Political Correctness for example comes actually from socialism - that's where it orginates. And it never was meant to be critism or to promote critical thinking, it was always a tool for cencorship. It's the idea of "You can't say this!" or "You're not supposed to say this!".

Yes, there are pretty shitty opinions, and pretty shitty people out there, like Neonazis and Racists and the like and yes we have to fight them when ever possible. But we're not talking about those obvious cases. What we're talking about is people masking their obtusive offendedness as 'critique'.

It's simply put an extension of so called 'identity politics' which you can actually find on the left as much as on the right. You hear an opinion you don't like or that offends you? Shun them! Tell their employer! Ruin their lifes! Share this image on your facebook etc. make this scumbag known!

That's fucking group-think and lynch mobs.
 
zegh8578 said:
A lot of the cry-cencorship-movement are only trying to push for open bigotry and hate-speech anyway, so it's - imo - an illegitimate movement that I want no part of.
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That's a really shitty characterization of free speech advocates. I'm old enough to remember when Al Gore's wife went on a music censorship crusade to save us all from the evils of WASP lyrics. I remember guys like Frank Zappa testifying before congress, admirably standing up for the free speech of others (shows how far gone we are that Zappa would lumped in with some alt-right assholes today). If the unintended byproduct is that The Westboro Baptist church is entitled to the spout their repugnant vitriol? So be it.

Let bigots have free speech too, their ideas will not withstand the disinfecting power of sunlight that public scrutiny would bring. Suppression only empowers them.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
That's a really shitty characterization of free speech advocates. I'm old enough to remember when Al Gore's wife went on a music censorship crusade to save us all from the evils of WASP lyrics. I remember guys like Frank Zappa testifying before congress, admirably standing up for the free speech of others (shows how far gone we are that Zappa would lumped in with some alt-right assholes today). If the unintended byproduct is that The Westboro Baptist church is entitled to the spout their repugnant vitriol? So be it.

Let bigots have free speech too, their ideas will not withstand the disinfecting power of sunlight that public scrutiny would bring. Suppression only empowers them.
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I'm not saying they shouldn't have free speech... why are we all assuming we want each others to stop saying things!?

We ALL have free speech, which is *the reason we can react to each others saying all these things in the first place... *

I *am* saying that bigots camoflage as free speech advocates so that they can be loud bigots without recieving any vocal reactions. I have always maintained that free speech goes both ways, and I will continue to maintain it.
People ARE free to get comedians wrong, and then criticize them for the wrong reasons, I'm not saying they shouldn't be permitted to.

I'm just saying it's annoying.

A lot of speech speeched freely IS annoying.

To reiterate, because I really don't want this to become a new stupid argument: I do NOT claim that people's statements should ever be forbidden... even if they are lame or annoying.
 
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