Islamic Terrorist Mumbai attacks

[mulaalia]

If Osama bin Laden planed every attack he wouldn't have time to get lade, which he does, considering he has like 20+ wifes.
This has nothing to do with al-Qaeda, it just a couple of trigger-happy paki nationalist doing some damage in Bombay.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

If Osama bin Laden planed every attack he wouldn't have time to get lade, which he does, considering he has like 20+ wifes.
This has nothing to do with al-Qaeda, it just a couple of trigger-happy paki nationalist doing some damage in Bombay.

I doubt it was "planned" by Bin Laden but I am not going to write off all posbiilties yet that they could have ties to al-Qaeda.

Again tho it is Russian intelligence and they are not exactly high on my list these days so I will wait for more sources.

 

[Loxley]

It is not exactly al-quaida's style is it? Bunch of people running around shooting? Not to mention that they were letting italians and other foreigners go at times. I get the feeling that alquaida would have killed all they ran into. Then again we will probably know the truth once the nine that have been captured so far are interogated.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

It is not exactly al-quaida's style is it? Bunch of people running around shooting? Not to mention that they were letting italians and other foreigners go at times. I get the feeling that alquaida would have killed all they ran into. Then again we will probably know the truth once the nine that have been captured so far are interogated.

That much I agree with, if anything I would say they might have just been in contact with the group or received training.

I hate the first few days of events like this because so much information is pouring out from so many sources it can be confusing as hell.

Watching and waiting.

 

[Flop]

I hate the first few days of events like this because so much information is pouring out from so many sources it can be confusing as hell.

Just do like me and don't care so much. We'll probably get the answer in 50 years time when CIA decides to release it's files on the subject.

 

[Infernaeus]

Did you completely miss the part where I said "I am not going to judge"? Also where I said "More or less surprised someone on here was saying it is ok to kill civilians?"

My "extreme" views on acceptable civilian death during military operations are well known and I do not hide them. I was making a note that I was shocked to see someone else express the idea that terrorist actions are acceptable to achieve political goals.

It is rare to see someone make a serious argument for it unless they are just trying to get a rise out of people.

I interpreted "I am not going to judge" as a carte blanche for you to hold two contradictory opinions and wave them around without being called on it. I see what you meant now, my apologies.

Its times like these that I get the most entertainment out of the news, I think. The only other time I had so much fun was when Russia rolled into Georgia. Every other day, the news is just bullshit.

 

[Loxley]

British citizens some of them. Armed with MP6. Had semtex. When searching a bag that they left behind them the special forces found 1200 dollars. Special force dude claimed they had been trained, and considering the time it took to take them down I think that is a reasonable assumption. The plot thickens.

My guess is that this will spawn atleast one movie.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

I interpreted "I am not going to judge" as a carte blanche for you to hold two contradictory opinions and wave them around without being called on it. I see what you meant now, my apologies.

No worries I can understand how the post could have been misinterpreted.

My guess is that this will spawn atleast one movie.

I actually would like to see that, it would be like an extended version of the scene from The Kingdom where the terrorist are shooting up the housing compound. Just minus the bomb and all that .


Also for you conspiracy theory nuts Alex Jones has not failed to deliver.

"Evidence Mumbai Attackers were Anglo-American Intel Operatives "
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6222

"Mumbai Attacks Blamed On Al-Qaeda As Pretext For U.S. Military Response"

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6212

 

[Loxley]

Is a bit annoying the news services cannot agree on how many it was that attacked.

 

[Ashmo]

It's funny how whenever someone somewhere does something bad a shitload of nobodies pop up and call dibs on the credit. And how all of them inevitable claim affiliation with Al Qaeda at one point or another.

Y'know. The concept of fighting Al Qaeda has become about as ridiculous as that of catching Spartacus. Who honestly believes there's one major group conspiring behind all this?

Must be shitty for the special forces going into those hotels. I mean, entering a burning building to hunt for terrorists. Chaos is a nice way to describe this.

Actually if I remember correctly, the building wasn't on fire when they went in. Must have been one of those explosions causing the fires. It wouldn't have been very sensible to hold hostages in a burning building anyway, would it?

 

[Brother None]

The public mindset towards terrorism and Al Qaeda is actually pretty dangerous. The US in particular has a media indoctrination that just keeps pumping in this "Al Qaeda did it" nonsense. AQ is an umbrella organisation - if even that because it's unclear how thick or thin it is right now - and extreme Islamism is older than AQ and does not need AQ to operate. Just because AQ managed a very successful hit on the US doesn't suddenly make them the only or even the biggest player out there - it's all typical US-centric thinking.

And it is dangerous in the same way that focusing the "War on Teror" on Iraq only is dangerous as Obama said (oddly enough he doesn't seem to realise focusing it with tunnel vision on AQ in Afghanistan-Pakistan only is just as stupid), tunnel vision on Al Qaeda means you can't honestly analyse what's going on in your enemy's ranks, and can't respond properly when things go wrong.

 

[Chancellor Kremlin]

The public mindset towards terrorism and Al Qaeda is actually pretty dangerous. The US in particular has a media indoctrination that just keeps pumping in this "Al Qaeda did it" nonsense. AQ is an umbrella organisation - if even that because it's unclear how thick or thin it is right now - and extreme Islamism is older than AQ and does not need AQ to operate. Just because AQ managed a very successful hit on the US doesn't suddenly make them the only or even the biggest player out there - it's all typical US-centric thinking.

And it is dangerous in the same way that focusing the "War on Teror" on Iraq only is dangerous as Obama said (oddly enough he doesn't seem to realise focusing it with tunnel vision on AQ in Afghanistan-Pakistan only is just as stupid), tunnel vision on Al Qaeda means you can't honestly analyse what's going on in your enemy's ranks, and can't respond properly when things go wrong.

Its the same kind of tunnel vision the US had in the 50's/60's/70's with its ''COMMUNISTS'' labelling of any political disorder in foreign countries. Remember the 'domino theory?' Or the belief that the Soviet Union orchestrated every single revolution in every single country and had total control of every communist nation?

I see exactly the same today with 'Al Qaeda' (USSR) and 'terrorist acts' (all under the orchestration and control of Al Qaeda).

Simplification ain't going to get nobody anywhere.

 

[SuAside]

it's easier to control people when you've got a clear foreign enemy.

sure, it won't get their minds off the economic crisis now, but it sure helps when you need to divert attention away from other things.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

it's easier to control people when you've got a clear foreign enemy.

sure, it won't get their minds off the economic crisis now, but it sure helps when you need to divert attention away from other things.

This is true, it makes people feel more "comfortable" I suppose would be the word when they have one evil group to point a finger at.

You would be surprised (or honestly maybe not) at how many Americans when asked about "Islamic terrorist organizations" only say something along the lines of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

There were actually some in my Gov class senior year who had never heard of Hezbollah

 

[mulaalia]

There were actually some in my Gov class senior year who had never heard of Hezbollah

Understandable, considering Hezbollah is a right-wing moralist political organization, and its members are very similar to you, but just on the other side of the fence.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

There were actually some in my Gov class senior year who had never heard of Hezbollah

Understandable, considering Hezbollah is a right-wing moralist political organization, and its members are very similar to you, but just on the other side of the fence.

Yes despite all the suicide bombings and terrorist attacks they have claimed responsibility for, I am all aware of the idea "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter".

All the same it is labeled as a terrorist organization by several countries and even if you agree with that statement or not I would at least expect most people to know the name.

 

[mulaalia]

There were actually some in my Gov class senior year who had never heard of Hezbollah

Understandable, considering Hezbollah is a right-wing moralist political organization, and its members are very similar to you, but just on the other side of the fence.

Yes despite all the suicide bombings and terrorist attacks they have claimed responsibility for, I am all aware of the idea "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter".

All the same it is labeled as a terrorist organization by several countries and even if you agree with that statement or not I would at least expect most people to know the name.

How many....my guess is 4, as for expecting, don't, most people are lazy or stupid.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

How many....my guess is 4, as for expecting, don't, most people are lazy or stupid.

I suppose they are.

I consider them a terrorist group depending on which leaders/part in history you look at. After Sept 11 they condemned Al Qaeda for the World Trade Center attacks and have actually spoke out against violence targeted at American Civilians iirc.

At the same time I also seem to remember some officials of Hezbollah stating suicide bombing against Israeli civilians is justified which kinda throws them back a few points.

Honestly when I call someone a "terrorist" organization that does not mean I am trying to demonize them. I feel they should do what they think they need to do to advance the goals they want to achieve.

However they should not cry foul when Israel drops a cluster bomb into a highly populated area that rockets were being launched into Israel from.

An eye for an eye.

 

[Loxley]

Just read right now. The police officers were armed with 303. Rifles and had bullet proof vests that was ancient. Aditionally many only had riot gear to protect themselves against bullets.

 

[Chancellor Kremlin]

Just read right now. The police officers were armed with 303. Rifles and had bullet proof vests that was ancient. Aditionally many only had riot gear to protect themselves against bullets.

I found the storming of the buildings to be in bad taste aswell. I had imagined something like a SAS, GIGN or Delta Force raid. I thought that was what the US was alluding to when it offered support to India.

Instead they storm the place like its fuckin beslan...