Snake said:
Omg Sander shut the hell up already, you cant beat this guy, hes right.
Omg Snake shut the hell up already, you're a moron.
Don't make dumb statements like that, Snake.
And I was about to comment sheih yasinas you so nicely put him the weelchairguy. He fucking deserved to die a houndred times over for what that fuck did.
He was caught once but was relesed for the safe return of 2 Israeli agents. As soon as he was relesed the biggest fucking wave of suicide bombings began.
Youuuu guuuys haaaaaave nooooo sense of humour. None whatsoever.
you say the word "peace", but peace with who exactly? with the terrorists? the only peace they are after is the peace of wiping us off the face of the earth.
and the terrorists are the only ones we're in conflict with! the problem is, those terrorists are not in a known spot. they are hiding inside homes and buildings. the same homes and buildings you ask of israel to build for them... am i getting through here?
I hate being talked to as if I'm a moron.
Really, I'm no moron, and I know what I'm talking about. I know all this, you fucking arrogant Israeli, no need to stomp it down my throat.
But you completely miss my point, and worse than that, you use a bunch of empty rhetoric to defend you rown.
who exactly can we make peace with?!
With the palestinians.
there will always be terror until one of the two happens. the terrorists will kill all of us, or we kill all the terrorists. to fight the terrorists, we have to isolate them...
"Fight fire with fire" a tried and stupid method.
Violence only breeds more violence, hate only breeds more breed, that's been my point in this thread, and you fail to see it.
supposedly we decide to move all our forces from their borders, and "free them", legs and arms will be flying all over israel.
Now I never said you should do anything like that, so don't try to pin such idiotic statements on me.
you said "we came in large numbers after the war", but we came to the lands given to us! what's wrong with that!
And I didn't say anything WAS wrong with that, now did I? What I AM saying is that there is something wrong with preventing others from living in the same place.
the thing is, that the terrorists don't seek co-existance, and the terrorists can't be held by the palastinian leadership. what does that mean? that the palastenian leadership, and peace talks with them are irrelevent,
Bullshit. By not trying to co-operate and co-exist normally and peacefully with the peaceful Palestinians, you're only breeding more hatred and more violence and are actually CAUSING more of these attacks instead of stopping them.
as long as the terror which is in the core of all their population, exists.
Ugh. The terror is NOT in the core of their population, the terror is in a bunch of idiotic Islamo-fundamentalists and a huge load of pissed of mothers, fathers, brothers family etc. who lost their family members and friends due to Israeli attack.
Does this make these terrorist acts excusable, though? No.
you said "if people like you"... there's people like me(which i believe are quite rational people, if you followed what i said so far)
You'd have to be schizofrenic to not think you're right in what you're saying. This doesn't make you rational or right, though.
just because there's those terrorists, and n-o-t the opposite.
n-o-t the opposite? What do you mean by that? If you mean that there isn't the opposite of terrorists, what the hell do you intend to prove by that? This makes no sense.
if there wern't people like me, people who wish to defend themeselves, there would be nothing to defend by now.
*sigh* You miss my point yet again.
I'll explain my point again:
The Israelis are isolating themselves from the rest of the world, including the Palestinians, with their actions. They are building a huge wall to protect themselves, which is their good right, but which also creates a lot of antipathy among the Palestinian population who want to work there and, basically, the rest of the world. The Israeli also kill civilians in their raids, purposefully or not, and they don't show regret or anything of that kind.
All these things only serve to create more hatred and more violence. You retaliate after a terrorist attack, which means you probably kill more civilians in the process, and create more potential terrorists.
What I would want to see is an Israel which helps the normal Palestinian people to build a decent existence for themseves, one that supports the current Palestinian government and gives it financial aid to help build a better world for these Palestinians. I'd like to see Israelis stop acting discriminatingly and violently towards Palestinians, and I'd like them to stop creating so much antipathy towards them. Because it's impossible for the Israelis to wipe out the terrorists and vice versa, they'll just continue to live in a perpetual state of war until one day a terrorist gets their hands on some chemical, biological or nuclear weapon, killing thousands of Israelis and thereby creating, undoubtedly, a wave of violence towards the Palestinians from the Israeli. The state you are in now can only bring more violent deaths instead of peace, but if the Israeli were to do everything possible to diminish the antipathy felt around the world against them, and especially amongst the Palestinians, then there is a chance that those terrorists will stop, and then there is a chance that peace will come around.
I don't see this happening ever, though, because both sides are, as you sadly demonstrate, bent on the total destruction of the other side, and will take along the rest of the world with them.