Jim "NMA should shut up about Bethesda" Sterling hates 76

Discussion in 'Fallout 76' started by L.M.Valentine, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. L.M.Valentine

    L.M.Valentine Windows 95

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    Jun 30, 2016


    You know you've fucked up when Jim "I look past Bethesda's laziness because I think being too lazy to program monogamy in Fallout 4 is Bethesda accommodating my degenerate poly lifestyle" Sterling hates your game.

    Of course, I find it ironic that the author of this:
    https://www.destructoid.com/videogame-fans-need-to-shut-up-about-everything-164476.phtml

    Is complaining about Bethesda changing things.

    It's entirely people like him's fault.
     
  2. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    Oh boy, if he still thinks like that i kind of lost a lot of respect for Jim reading that article. He's using the tired "fans just don't like change" argument that needs to burn in the deepest pits of hell. Change in itself is not automatically good, change can be good or bad.

    The changes in Fallout 3 were not good. The changes dumbed down the gameplay, the story, the characters, the writing, the rpg elements, all things that matter to Fallout. We don't want another Fallout 1, people just want a Fallout game that has the elements that made the first two work and hardly any of them are in Fallout 3.

    I know it's an 8 year old article and we don't even know if he thinks like this anymore, but people need to be aware of that change is not automatically good.



    And in case of Fallout 76, change is also not automatically good.
     
  3. L.M.Valentine

    L.M.Valentine Windows 95

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    Jun 30, 2016
    I follow Jim. He's funny. He's entertaining. He can make some very good points. But he definitely still has this mindset. The only time he doesn't is if it's something he personally finds distasteful.

    But he continues to view disliking a fundamental change in a series in and of itself as "childish" and "entitled".
     
  4. L.M.Valentine

    L.M.Valentine Windows 95

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    Jun 30, 2016
    Like, he was exactly the same about Fallout 4 dumbing down the Perk system.
     
  5. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    That honestly kind of sucks to know because to me it's one of the absolute worst mentalities you can have. I do admit that sometimes some complaints can be pretty petty if they are small potatoes compared to everything else, but if it's stuff like dumbing down major systems from previous games, that's going too far.

    All Fallout 4 did was make the perk system worse. Instead of having the majority of the perks have unique effects, like in the previous games, the removal skill points means perks have to pick up the slack. And that means wasting a bunch of perk slots on boring ass damage increases. They basically shoved in the Skyrim's perk system into a Fallout game, you have some perks that do cool shit but then you have damage increases because stats like strength and intelligence were removed.
     
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  6. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

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    Oct 28, 2014
    Not really. We can't fault Jim for not knowing the depths Bethesda does with retcons. He's a busy guy after all. Some of the stuff we bring up regarding lore retcons and the like only really become apparent if we dig into it. Jim and most average joes don't have time for that. Without digging deep, the game looks very Fallout but looks can be deceiving.

    And you could say, "he shouldn't of said that if he didn't dig deep", and maybe you have a point. On the other hand, how many times have we said a game was alright whereas others elsewhere hated it with a passion with their own reasons. I think a few folks here on NMA enjoy GTA Online, but me and several other GTA fans hate it so much as it's everything wrong with the franchise.
     
  7. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    To me personally, people that have no clue why people hate a change have no right to call anyone "childish" and "entitled". You come off as arrogant and ignorant if you do so, like you are somehow above anyone.
     
  8. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

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    Oct 28, 2014
    Certainly, the key part is though Jim's job. He's probably seen this kind of vitriol before elsewhere for more petty reasons, god knows gaming culture can be extremely petty. I won't say his article was right, but for him to know Bethesda's Fallout the way NMA does, he'd need to dig deeper, even deeper than he usually does. I'd say even reading a couple threads here on the site wouldn't be enough since it'd look like nitpicking. They'd need to read A TON of threads here to understand why NMA thinks so low of Bethesda but nobody besides us really have the time for such an endeavor.
     
  9. 3160b0

    3160b0 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 16, 2015
    lol, how's that Dead Kennedys song go?
     
  10. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
    Jim's a funny dude and I like his content even though he flat out strawmans people when it's convenient to do so:

    Wew

     
  11. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

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    Apr 22, 2016
    I read the article, and was honestly confounded by Mr. Sterling's position in relation to Fallout and Diablo.

    The article also illuminated a very grave detail of ignorance.
    Jim Sterling doesn't understand the concept of brand obfuscation, and genericism. It seems as though his grasp on intellectual property rights is limited.

    If Mr. Sterling had his way any such IP would be required to change core facets of it's inherent basis of design for no justified reason. It's like asking Coca-Cola to turn their flagship beverage into a flat fruit drink that smells faintly like Coca-Cola Classic. Then market the new beverage as Coca-Cola Classic.

    Does that sound like a reasonable course of action to anyone?

    I don't know if he was in a rush to write this article, or what I think is much more likely maybe didn't think very critically of the details involved. Plus slandering an entire group in the same manner in which developers that Jim Sterling engaged in legal proceedings with (Digital Homicide) is a rather surreal 180.

    Therefore the only question I can think of is; What the fuck happened to Jim Sterling?
     
  12. Dropkick

    Dropkick First time out of the vault

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    Nov 13, 2018
    Oh god this is beautiful.

    Maybe Jim is just an old bitter fuck who hates change.
     
  13. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    This article feels like something that could be written by Kotaku or any of the other mainstream gaming journalist sites today. Just slandering an entire group of people while coming to defense of AAA companies.

    Which makes it really ironic when currently, and for a while now, he criticizes the mainstream gaming journalist sites for doing just that. He has every right to do so because those sites do so much dumb defenses to current monetary and DLC practices, but he still comes off as an hypocrite because of that article.


    I mean, i agree he's a funny guy and i actually follow him on Youtube and he has a lot of videos where he has a lot of good points. So, what the hell happened here?
     
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  14. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
    Heh, Kotaku. I'm trying to wrap my head around Jason Schreier going to bat for Bethesda about their engine:

    I can hear @Einhanderc7's brows furrowing in disgust.
     
  15. Gaddes

    Gaddes Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    May 18, 2010
    A broken clock is right every once and awhile. Sterling is mildly amusing and he has all the safe options on issues, but it's not surprising he has a low opinion of NMA. Change isn't it self a good thing and the promised change is usually worse than whatever one is use to.

    Lmao. Bethesda's Engine IS garbage. It really isn't even debatable. They use it cause it's fast and easy to make games on.
     
  16. a721402

    a721402 Played FPS for decades still suck at it.

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    Mar 29, 2016
    I think the real problem is they're either incapable or too lazy to fix most of those engine bugs and refused to acquire the license of newest version of gamebryo that supposedly is much more bug free than the version they using since Morrowind.
     
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  17. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Tbf, even Mister Caption hates NMA and we looked up to him for a while.
    Face it, we are a sight of degenerates and bitter depressed assholes.
    Yet we love it really.
     
  18. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

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    Apr 22, 2016

    Believe me @BigGuyCIA you have no earthly idea how much Mr. Sterling's vapid statement rustles my jimmies. The article is like asking a 1st. grader how a space toilet works, they don't have a remote idea. Then ask them to provide a rational description of it's technical application.

    What Mr. Sterling fails to comprehend is the rather obvious fact that there is a direct correlation between the engine, the developer's use of the engine, and the graphical fidelity presented to the player.

    Here's my opinion of Mr. Sterling's article; Mr. Sterling does not know how to make a game, nor the effort required to produce such products. Not only is he incredibly ignorant to the processes that facilitate the development of such a product; he also fails to comprehend the basic details that even a grade school student could piece together.

    Basically Mr. Sterling posted an article that made himself look like an incompetent fool, then doubled down by insulting his readers. It's like shoving a steel toe boot into one's mouth and asking for nearby spectators to help push it in ankle deep. It's moronic, and to be honest I have no further interest in any of Mr. Sterling's future content. What a fucking dumbass.
     
  19. Lucas9

    Lucas9 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 16, 2016
    "People hate change" is the most braindead argument one can come up with to defend Bethesda's games against any and all criticism.

    Especially because one could make the SAME argument to accuse players of being "manchildren": revert back Fallout to its isometric roots, and everyone who doesn't like that is being a manchildren who hates change.

    This isn't even the criticism leveled about the game. The actual criticism was:

    - It replaced turn-based RPG combat for an action-based shooter combat with RPG elements tacked on.
    - The engine was clunky and everything looked awful. Fallout 3 is an eyesore compared to the classic titles.
    - The writing was simply bad and it shows in every aspect of the game: NPCs, quests, main quest.

    Because RPGs are defined by their combat and their writing, you have an RPG that plays poorly and that has pretty nonsensical roleplaying options.

    Even the "something like the original Fallout wouldn't make any money nowadays" isn't an argument, because it implies people want a Fallout game that sells billions and makes bank accordingly, when that couldn't be farther away from the truth. You can most definitely profit from a cRPG, as Larian Studios has shown. Of course it won't make as much money as something like Fallout 4, but ask a cRPG fan which game they would rather play.

    The best part of his article is this, where he appeals to a fantasy world where we actually got a proper Fallout game but people complain it didn't change enough:

    Sometimes I wish actual Internet debates were a thing. You have these people writing articles, but they never engage in proper discussion.
     
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  20. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    So Jim defended the stupid in Fallout 3 without realizing it reached critical mass, continued defending the stupid in Fallout 4 without realizing the chain reaction of stupid accelerated exponentially, only to see incredible amount of stupid exploding through the offtake 76 covering him from toes to ears? Good, good.