Lets be fair...

[Tagaziel]

1.) A point blank head wound is only a 50/50 survival shot with modern medicine, yet you survive with some Med-X, tweezers, and old gauze in a shack.

First, it's a home, second, it's a qualified physician with access to the proper tools, third, the Courier was just lucky to survive.

2.) A germaphobe that hasn't talked to anyone in 200 years suddenly decides to let you in just because you have his chip? Why not have the robots dispense payment and collect the item? If he wants you as a protoge' why not use the robots as a go between?

No, he lets you in because you became a notable figure in the wasteland. Unless you make a beeline for the Strip, avoiding any and all opportunity to talk to people and earn XP, your Courier is going to be someone by the time he meets House (on top of surviving a gunshot wound to the head and going after the man who shot them).

Furthermore, people are more pliable when they are talked to in person, rather than through intermediaries. An intimidating effect.

3.) At The Fort Caeser wants you to destroy the bunker because he doesn't want his men knowing what's in there. Why not just dispose of you after it's done and have his legionaries fulfill the rest of the Legion quest line, or in my case (female character) enslave them? Certainly he would be stupid to let a relatively unknown agent go back out into the wastes to blab all his secrets.

Because the Courier is a free agent that can go where legionaries and frumentarii can't. By the time they meet Caesar, they're also one of the most notable and dangerous persons in the wasteland. Are you saying that Caesar shouldn't use them as an asset?

4.) The NCR seems to immediately trust you just because you walked inside the Lucky 38, again unknown agent during war who could spill all their confidential secrets.

Uh, no. It's not the NCR that trusts you, but Ambassador Crocker, who uses you as an agent to reach out to the Boomers. He doesn't share any secrets with the Courier, neither as he goes to the Boomers, nor when they are asked to settle the matter with the Kings. It's only when they are working directly with Moore and make it is apparent that they're supporting the Republic that the Courier becomes privy to sensitive information. Even then, it's on a need-to-know basis.

5.) How is Jason Bright and his group surviving? They're locked upstairs with no apparent food or water source except for 4-5 boxes of Fancy Lads in the closet. And what about when they weren't locked in? There doesn't appear to be any crops and the traders don't go up there and the ghouls can't come in to Novac.

Buy food from travelling caravans away from prying eyes.

6.) How is a bomber that crashed in 1945 still intact? Shouldn't it be a rusted heap of scrap by 2281?

Water affects wreckage differently.

For starters, Lake Mead is an artificial, fresh water lake. Metals corrode much more slowly in fresh water than salt water. There are also few strong tides and other factors that would accelerate the disintegration of the wreckage. Hell, centuries old wooden ships are found sunk in the Baltic. A steel, military plane that sunk and remained in favorable conditions has better chances of surviving than them.

 

[Oppen]

Ok, maybe not a successor per se, but you do become his right hand man.

Yes, I didn't contradict that because I agreed to that point. I just don't believe he's looking for any kind of successor, I'm pretty sure he pretends to live longer than the courier. Right hand, totally.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Ok, possible plot hole...

From what I understand, the legion hates technology because according to them, it was Old World tech that had brought about the apocalypse. And yet they have no qualms about using 12 mm weapons, thermic lances, power fists and ballistic fists, all of which are fairly advanced weapons.

What would make more sense, to me at least, is if they make their own weapons and tech, like a sort of steam punkish thing. You know the railroad gun from FO3? Now imagine that in the hands of the legion.

The justification for it could be that they consider Old World tech to be corrupt and weak (like now), but anything legion made to be strong and "pure."
But that's just me thinking.

 

[Wintermind]

No that would be dumb. Guns haven't really evolved in terms technology in ages. The basics haven't changed, and guns are only 'fancy' when dealing with shit powered by electricity (like gatling guns, not lol metalstorm) or really fucking big artillery guns and even then, not much. Ballistic fists are punch guns. They're also not complex. Powerfists are and I guess thermic lances are as much as they are re-purposed construction tools.

Besides, only their upper level troops get guns and bullets. Most just get stab dudes.

Steampunk is dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And B29's were built out of aluminum, Tagaziel.

 

[Tagaziel]

Ok, possible plot hole...

From what I understand, the legion hates technology because according to them, it was Old World tech that had brought about the apocalypse. And yet they have no qualms about using 12 mm weapons, thermic lances, power fists and ballistic fists, all of which are fairly advanced weapons.

What would make more sense, to me at least, is if they make their own weapons and tech, like a sort of steam punkish thing. You know the railroad gun from FO3? Now imagine that in the hands of the legion.

The justification for it could be that they consider Old World tech to be corrupt and weak (like now), but anything legion made to be strong and "pure."
But that's just me thinking.

The Legion doesn't hate technology. Caesar simply puts emphasis on martial combat and melee, in addition to teaching his soldiers how to use firearms.

The result is a very pragmatic, well rounded fighting force that's capable of fighting at all ranges.

 

[Walpknut]

It seems the only thing the Legion doesn't use is explosives, to the point they don't even know how to disarm mines.

 

[Hassknecht]

It seems the only thing the Legion doesn't use is explosives, to the point they don't even know how to disarm mines.

Don't they use mines to boobytrap bodies?
Or did I miss some humour in your post

 

[Walpknut]

Well, there is a mini quest where one of the Decanus in Cottowood cove doesn't know how to disarm explosives, and Ulysses looks down on using Explosives because he htinks they are coward tactics.

But then they do Boobytrap NCR soldier bodies, and trhere is that story about using children with grenades to trick the NCR.

Now that is an inconsistency. Or maybe the Decanus and Ulysses are just special, I don't know.

 

[Hassknecht]

Ah, I didn't play Legion so far.
Yep, it's odd. Maybe they do have very few specialists for explosives but don't use them on a regular basis.
I'd count it as a minor inconsistency.

 

[Wintermind]

I got it as the impression that they weren't familiar with the NCR's variety of landmines. It'd make better sense if you need a better explosives to disarm land mines, there were different variety of land mines, and shit.

 

[Tagaziel]

Well, there is a mini quest where one of the Decanus in Cottowood cove doesn't know how to disarm explosives, and Ulysses looks down on using Explosives because he htinks they are coward tactics.

But then they do Boobytrap NCR soldier bodies, and trhere is that story about using children with grenades to trick the NCR.

Now that is an inconsistency. Or maybe the Decanus and Ulysses are just special, I don't know.

Simple answer: Some of them do know how to handle explosives, some of them don't.

I don't think it's really a part of training for legionaries. The Legion emphasizes mobility and rapid offensives. Mines are by definition a defensive weapon.

 

[Muff]

It seems the only thing the Legion doesn't use is explosives, to the point they don't even know how to disarm mines.

Disarming explosives is tricky, even for professionally trained people like EOD techs, and mines in particular are designed not to be messed with. I can think of some WW1 mines specifically designed to not be disarmed made to look like ones that can be disarmed the very act of trying made them detonate.

Well, there is a mini quest where one of the Decanus in Cottowood cove doesn't know how to disarm explosives, and Ulysses looks down on using Explosives because he htinks they are coward tactics.

But then they do Boobytrap NCR soldier bodies, and trhere is that story about using children with grenades to trick the NCR.

Now that is an inconsistency. Or maybe the Decanus and Ulysses are just special, I don't know.

Going from what I know of Latin Decanus, is leader of ten a squad leader. So essentially a Corporal or Sergeant. So it would not be surprising that he hasn't got a clue about ordnance disposal. As I said it's hit and miss and your more likely to call up a combat engineer or EOD to deal with mines. Unless you have training, even as far back as WW1 / WW2 just hanging a sign saying "DANGER MINES" will cause a halt to advance till the area is cleared.

As for grenade traps, that's as old as grenades. During WW2 there was a pamphlet put out with the title something to the effect of "Is that Luger (could be trophy) worth your life?" as during the war some units left grenades without the "Pin" in or some form of explosive trap (could have been a shoe mine) under body's with war a tempting trophy left in such a way it would have meant disturbing the body in some way to retrieve it. I know the Soviet army did the same in the early days of the war, and that in Vietnam it was used by the VC, and it's still used by various groups around the world.

A trick I know that is supposed to still be used, but is illegal in the Geneva Convention is to bait a location with a wounded soldier and land mines or booby traps, around him.

Another this is still legal and used the glass on a door handle, is if your hastily making a defensive point in a building is to take a glass jar put a grenade with the safety pin removed in a glass jar on the door handle if the enemy try and open the door using the handle "BANG" if they kick the door in "BANG", in the British army I know for a fact your supposed to wait a second after the "breach action" to listen if you hear the sound of smashing glass, although this in reality hardly ever happens as you can hardly hear anything most of the time.

 

[Walpknut]

Yeah guess makes sense.
And Ulysses is a SPECIAL case, being kind of a law abiding rebel inside the Legion and all.

 

[Muff]

(sorry this should have been in my last post) Ulysses, being a ex Frumentarii though I don't buy as not at least having a basic grounding in demolitions (as a umberla term for explosive devices), OK let's say that Caesar was training spy's, like the Frumentarii (which giving the lore he is), part of the job would be supply disruption including munitions sabotage. Be it bullets that turn the rifle into a pipe bomb, or blowing up supply runs.

And if I am recalling this right wasn't he the one who layed the mines on the pipes in Big Mountain?
Then again he wasn't a main quest charterer so I can excuse them as dropping the ball on that one. As I personally don't count the DLC as cannon, I will let it slide untill proven otherwise.

As of the OP's question, and relating to my DLC non cannon phobia why do the fallout Dev's miss Americas round in gun's, the .45ACP round was developed by a American and it's mostly used by Americans, yet they only introduce it in a DLC in FO:NV?

 

[Wintermind]

Or like most things in the legion, you have to earn any explosives training. Lore wise, it would make sense for the NCR to have different mines and make them curious about those mines specifically.

As for your stuff, Muff, there was a whole big thing about that in vietnam called Project Eldest Son, but that was a fairly big deal at the time. It seems a bit excessive for what Caesar would do, as we see in New Vegas he'd prefer to have people in the NCR do sabotage themselves, whether they know they're working for Caesar or not. Or maybe that's just Vulpes style.

 

[Walpknut]

More than an inconsistency (or maybe it is?) I always found curious why Marcus pronounced Caesar's name the proper way instead of the anglicised way. It's kind of random.

Also, Carl, the Legion missionary on Khan territory pronounces Caesar in the anglo way. I know that's just an oversight during recording.

 

[The Sixth Ranger]

More than an inconsistency (or maybe it is?) I always found curious why Marcus pronounced Caesar's name the proper way instead of the anglicised way. It's kind of random.

Also, Carl, the Legion missionary on Khan territory pronounces Caesar in the anglo way. I know that's just an oversight during recording.

Marcus is an oddity, he probably pronounces Caesar with a k due to him being well travelled.

 

[Mameluk]

More than an inconsistency (or maybe it is?) I always found curious why Marcus pronounced Caesar's name the proper way instead of the anglicised way. It's kind of random.

Also, Carl, the Legion missionary on Khan territory pronounces Caesar in the anglo way. I know that's just an oversight during recording.

Marcus is an oddity, he probably pronounces Caesar with a k due to him being well travelled.

And being intelligent. I wouldn't be surprised if Marcus actually read something about Latin/Rome. He obviously didn't have a direct contact with the Legionnaries, if I remember they shoot Ghouls and Muties on sight.

A "plothole" I was wondering about after reading about Ulysses: it is stated that some time after discovering Hoover Dam and pacifying New Canaan, he quit the Legion. What, Caesar allows people to go away once they've done some work? Of course Ulysses wasn't born in the Legion, but I thought once you're in you stay forever (the Courier being an exception, since he's a free agent, a mercenary of sort)?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

He didn't quit; he deserted. And from what I've seen from him, he's quite a force to be reckoned with. That's what I understood, anyway.

 

[The Sixth Ranger]

More than an inconsistency (or maybe it is?) I always found curious why Marcus pronounced Caesar's name the proper way instead of the anglicised way. It's kind of random.

Also, Carl, the Legion missionary on Khan territory pronounces Caesar in the anglo way. I know that's just an oversight during recording.

Marcus is an oddity, he probably pronounces Caesar with a k due to him being well travelled.

And being intelligent. I wouldn't be surprised if Marcus actually read something about Latin/Rome. He obviously didn't have a direct contact with the Legionnaries, if I remember they shoot Ghouls and Muties on sight.

A "plothole" I was wondering about after reading about Ulysses: it is stated that some time after discovering Hoover Dam and pacifying New Canaan, he quit the Legion. What, Caesar allows people to go away once they've done some work? Of course Ulysses wasn't born in the Legion, but I thought once you're in you stay forever (the Courier being an exception, since he's a free agent, a mercenary of sort)?

He got disgruntled with his work after seeing his former tribe defaced by the White Legs, so he quit. He probably didn't report back to Caesar, and he probably struck out for dangerous wilderness areas. The Legion was probably too busy with the NCR, and Caesar couldn't squander resources on a Frumentarius. He also moved pretty eratically, seeing as he tracked irregular weather patterns.