Luck Fallout 4 SPECIAL video

[Mr Fish]

It's not that they aren't Fallout 'to me'. It's that they simply are not Fallout. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Plain as that.

Just Wow

Want to be the next leader of North Korea mate?

I am going to do something more useful, this is just funny.

You haven't rebutted anything, dude.
Fallout 1 was created with a vision, what Fallout 1 is is what make Fallout Fallout. Fallout 2 is very close to it, and excuses can be made for FNV as it at the very least 'tries' to follow that original vision despite the limitations put on it.

Fallout 3 does not follow that vision at all. Fallout 4, less so. Fallout 1 is what makes Fallout Fallout, Fallout 3 and 4 are therefor not proper Fallout games. Fallout 3 and 4 are more like Spin-off's than they are canon entries in the main series.

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Do you evne know what the Metacritic score is? Is an aggregate of reviews, so it literaly is THE OPINION of a bunch of people.....

The Algorythm is also skewed to give the big sites more value on the final score, there is nothing objective about Metacritic.....

I just think that 50 totally different reviewers are a little more objective than some people on 1 forum that are all here because of the same opinion they have.

Furthermore Metacritic was just one of the many examples of universal praise for Fallout 3 and NV.

Professional reviews are a joke and I don't see why anyone would bother listening to them as an objective source. If you do, well:

You can circlejerk all you want but the millions of people hyped for Fallout 4 aren't all stupid or Bethesda slaves.

You belong to the stupid category.

Sorry.

 

[PossibleCabbage]

Everyone can go to Metacritic and look at the number on the page and agree "yup, it says 93 right there on the page. Prime factorization 3*31, one less than 94, one more than 92." That's the extent of the degree to which Metacritic is objective.

Things like "what does a 93 mean" or "do these people like games for the same reasons I like games" or "does a game even have quality in an objective or pseudo-objective sense" or "to what extend is metacritic's algorithm for estimating quality actually predictive to the reader" are in no sense objective.

I mean, if you want to find out if you're going to like a game, you're not going to average the opinions of random strangers, you're going to find some people who seem to value the same things in games that you value and you're going to ask them what they think about it.

 

[Walpknut]

Numerical scores should be abolished on reviews, they mean nothing and encourages people to ignore the actual content of the review in favor of the big shiny number. There is also the fact that the big review sites like IGN are very blatantly skewed towards AAA titles and most of their staff don't even know what they are talking about. Remember, IGN gave Godhand a 3 out of 10....

 

[kostjamoscow]

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Fallout 3 does not follow that vision at all. Fallout 4, less so. Fallout 1 is what makes Fallout Fallout, Fallout 3 and 4 are therefor not proper Fallout games. Fallout 3 and 4 are more like Spin-off's than they are canon entries in the main series.

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That's your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion.

I think that they are real Fallout games and that they are amazing... and now?

You aren't wrong and I am not wrong. It is all subjective.

The only difference is that your opinion is shared by fanatics on a site that most people see as extreme and my opinion is shared by the most gamers, reviewers etc.

 

[generalissimofurioso]

Metacritic exists solely to make bank on the fact that it aggregates multiple reviews into an easy to digest single number.

What's the difference between a game that gets a 91 vs. a 92?

Will I enjoy a 98 sports game more than a 89 RPG?

It's meaningless without context and description.

Both of which are subjective.

If www.objectivegamereviews.com wasn't down, I'd point you there.

 

[Mr Fish]

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Fallout 3 does not follow that vision at all. Fallout 4, less so. Fallout 1 is what makes Fallout Fallout, Fallout 3 and 4 are therefor not proper Fallout games. Fallout 3 and 4 are more like Spin-off's than they are canon entries in the main series.

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That's your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion.

I think that they are real Fallout games and that they are amazing... and now?

You aren't wrong and I am not wrong. It is all subjective.

The only difference is that your opinion is shared by fanatics on a site that most people see as extreme and my opinion is shared by the most gamers, reviewers etc.

So if more people agree on X instead of Y then X is correct? I guess we never should've allowed women to drive and for homosexuals to be let out of mental institutions then huh?

 

[Walpknut]

You have yet to gives us the reasoning for why they are good games, or even good Fallout games. There si extense documentation of the gripes a lot of the community has with it, veyr in depth analysis of what does and doesn't work, the only thing you have done is say "that's like your opinion man" and that's about it. Kind of makes one wonder why did yo ueven bother registering if you can't even put together any message that isn't just an appeal to subjectivity and Shilling for companies because "they make money so it's good".

 

[FearMonkey]

I know a lot of people who work in games journalism and a lot who no longer work in games journalism and most of them, even the ones I consider close, personal friends, I don't even trust their opinion on some games because I know they're fanboys. A lot of those journalists have a lot of baggage they bring to their reviews. Games journalists are the epitome of subjective opinion. So metacritic means less than nothing to me other than it validates my opinion of games journalists.

 

[Walpknut]

IGN is a fountain of memes when it comes to stupid reviews. Last year the Pokemon community had the "Too Much Water 7.8 out of 10" review.

 

[kostjamoscow]

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You aren't wrong and I am not wrong. It is all
So if more people agree on X instead of Y then X is correct? I guess we never should've allowed women to drive and for homosexuals to be let out of mental institutions then huh?

You are the one that is proclaiming his opinion as objective truth, I am not!

I never said that my opinion is the only correct opinion, you did.

 

[FearMonkey]

IGN is a fountain of memes when it comes to stupid reviews. Last year the Pokemon community had the "Too Much Water 7.8 out of 10" review.

IGN also had a review this week or last week of Dragon Quest Heroes where the reviewer apparently doesn't like Musou games and yet was allowed to review it and said it was bad because it was a Musou game and he doesn't like Musou games and he was expecting either a real Dragon Quest RPG like DQIX or some hardcore Devil May Cry action RPG or something. Yeah...

IGN's score for that game was 6.2 and the community score is 9.2.

 

[generalissimofurioso]

You can't spell ignorant without IGN.

 

[Mr Fish]

So if more people agree on X instead of Y then X is correct? I guess we never should've allowed women to drive and for homosexuals to be let out of mental institutions then huh?

You are the one that is proclaiming his opinion as objective truth, I am not!

I never said that my opinion is the only correct opinion, you did.

I never said my opinion is correct.
I stated a fact, and backed it up.
Fallout was created with a vision, part of that vision was turn-based combat (for emphasis on character skill>playerskill) which is absent in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, since they don't follow the vision that makes Fallout Fallout they are factually worse Fallout games as a part of what encompasses a Fallout game is not there anymore. And that ain't the only part of the original vision that Fallout 3 and seemingly 4 don't follow. It has nothing to do with "opinions", it is about facts. If enough pieces of the original vision is thrown out the window then it stops being a Fallout game. I could dig up someone's newly deceased relative, skin them and wear their skin. Doesn't mean I'm that person though. Sadly, the equivalent in gaming is not illegal. Maybe corpse mutilation shouldn't be either. I mean, after all, they should be glad that their dear grandmother's come back from the dead, shouldn't they?

What you're doing? You're trying to turn factual analysis into a subjective observation.

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I guess that the part that may be scrutinized as to its merit of being "objective" is the "If enough pieces of the original vision is thrown out the window then it stops being a Fallout game."-part. I don't feel like it is subjective, but that's subjective too. So I guess we'll have to go with an analogy. If you slowly, bit by bit, turn a car into a boat, at what point does it stop being a car and become a boat? The only thing about Fallout 4 that is Fallout is loose iconicism and a poor grasp of the setting. That's all I see.

 

[kostjamoscow]

Fallout [/I]they are factually worse Fallout games as a part of what encompasses a Fallout game is not there anymore.

No this is your opinion. Because you believe that Fallout 3/4 doesn't represent the values the previous Fallouts had doesn't meen that it is a fact and millions of people who think differently are wrong.

Millions of others have a differnt opinion. Neither of you is wrong or right.

 

[Walpknut]

How many of those "millions" of people have actually played the originals?

Have you playd the originals? (watching "lore" videos doesn't count btw) Becausesi almost a constant with Bethesda fanboys, they have never player the originals yet they insist on giving their opinion on how the Bethesda games hold up to those,

 

[Mr Fish]

Again, the numbers of people that feel like X is irrelevant.
Provide a different kind of argument or back up why "the large number of people that feel like X" is a valid point to raise.

 

[kostjamoscow]

Again, the numbers of people that feel like X is irrelevant.
Provide a different kind of argument or back up why "the large number of people that feel like X" is a valid point to raise.

I never said it's relevant. It's just to show you that your opinion is no fact.

I say that I respect ALL opinions.

You keep stating your personal opinion as fact and keep being hostile.

 

[kostjamoscow]

How many of those "millions" of people have actually played the originals?

Have you playd the originals? (watching "lore" videos doesn't count btw) Becausesi almost a constant with Bethesda fanboys, they have never player the originals yet they insist on giving their opinion on how the Bethesda games hold up to those,

I have played every game except Tactics. Lots of people have played the original and 3 and love them all.

Why are you calling me a fanboy? Just because I love a game...

 

[Walpknut]

You respect all opinions? That's why your openning statement was that we were all sad for not liking Bethesdas take on the series?

 

[Mr Fish]

Again, the numbers of people that feel like X is irrelevant.
Provide a different kind of argument or back up why "the large number of people that feel like X" is a valid point to raise.

I never said it's relevant. It's just to show you that your opinion is no fact.

I say that I respect ALL opinions.

You keep stating your personal opinion as fact and keep being hostile.

Yeah, I'm done with you.