Martial Arts

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Grin, May 8, 2009.

  1. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 17, 2008
    The Krav Maga instructor I go to makes a point of training you in unequal situations. That is, being jumped from behind, fighting usually more than one opponent, fighting when protecting somebody... 'breaking' a circle, which involves simply getting out and then repositioning yourself - obviously not always possible and the emphasis is to not let yourself be circled in the first place.
     
  2. Radwaster

    Radwaster It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 1, 2009
    I don't know much about Krav Maga. Looks as though it is an effective style from YouTube vids - some fast combinations to keep an opponent off balance, mixing blows with locks etc. Not pretty but effective as long as you're not pulling your punches (half-hearted never works IMO).

    Have you read Musashi's 'Book of Five Rings'? (Go Rin No Sho). The fine technique stuff relates mostly to swords, but the strategies for dealing with multiple opponents you might find useful/interesting.

    And yeah, getting surrounded is a baad idea, so good to have some idea how to get out of it if you can. Better than panicking.

    Good luck avoiding fights... :wink:
     
  3. Talisien

    Talisien Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 15, 2006
    Amen to that, mate. No matter who you are, how skilled you are at talking your way out of things, there are some times where it's just unavoidable. I mean, where I live is a pretty damn peaceful place, all told, but I've managed to get pretty messed up several times in the last couple years, and barely avoided it on quite a few more occasions.

    I've made some enemies over the years. Most of them would as soon use my face to break rocks as walk away. If someone wants a piece of your hide bad enough, sometimes you're stuck physically persuading them to change their mind.

    I had one of those incidents today, in fact. Someone I once did some bad things to (read: kicked the piss out of) ran into me on the street. I walked away from him, and he tried to knife me in the back. I've got a four inch cut on my left shoulder blade, and he's got a couple broken fingers on his right hand. Here's a lesson for you youngsters: joining a gang when you're a teen doesn't do shit for you in the long run; you either wind up dead, in prison, or watching over your shoulder for the rest of your life. Don't do it. Trust me, I've got the scars to prove it- including the laser mark from having my ink removed. Right Shoulder: minus one blue rose and three tear drops. (For what it's worth to those who know what that means: I'm a sole survivor, if I can't have them back I ain't going solo anymore, or joining a new crew. I'm just out.)
     
  4. Radwaster

    Radwaster It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 1, 2009
    Taliesin wrote:
    Lot of teardrops and swallows around where I used to live. :wink: I guess the td means much the same where you are - mine went to drugs or bikes mainly.

    Never got into street gangs myself though hung around with a lot of punks and bikers in the bad old days. Fighting was mostly late night pissed brawls or political - anarchists vs. fascists, poll tax vs. cops (UK) etc. Mostly I got away with it though got badly punched/kicked out once when I got cornered in a doorway. Just surviving is a victory...

    Really though T, if you're still getting shit from the past trying to stab you the answer is to go live elsewhere.
     
  5. Talisien

    Talisien Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 15, 2006
    You got the idea, almost. Try switching it backwards- not ones taken from you, ones you've taken. Not something I'm proud of, but I don't hide from my past, either. Survival often isn't pretty.

    If I could leave, I would. I was gone for a few years, but I've got some serious family business going down right now. I'm hoping things are cleared up soon, but my family needs me here for now so here I stay. I just have to keep alert when I'm out and about. It happens. You don't really need old enemies looking for you to have to watch your ass, just walk in the wrong neighborhood- hell, stop your car in the wrong neighborhood- and you could be in for more than you bargained for.
     
  6. Radwaster

    Radwaster It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 1, 2009
    Bad consequences - can see why you had the laser treatment!

    Good luck keeping out of trouble + hope the family stuff clears up...

    I wonder if Grin, who started this thread, has found any of it useful?
     
  7. Radwaster

    Radwaster It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 1, 2009
    Just for a last gasp on this thread: what we really want from martial arts...

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jFkP9R1_oU[/youtube]

    And one for Talisien's old karate tutor...

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LRmk0cXRh4&feature=related[/youtube]
     
  8. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    auw auw auw... i thought she was going to hit the chin... how wrong i was...
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Absolutely awesome! :clap:

    Just as the genius Jim Carrey

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vvI26NnwE[/youtube]
     
  10. Radwaster

    Radwaster It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 1, 2009
    :lol: I'd forgotten Jim Carrey.

    "How do you kill a man in his sleep?"
     
  11. JunWisewar

    JunWisewar It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 9, 2009
    :clap: Nice clip haha


    "I'm fine! I've shifted my internal organ....to avoid the knife"

    "That might have hurt if I hadn't shifted Mr.Happy"

    :lol:
     
  12. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    there's also Monty Python's "how to defend yourself from an assailant wielding fruit" sketches (or something along those lines).

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w[/youtube]
     
  13. Russian Specnaz Systema

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3reKO1Bh6o&feature=related[/youtube]


    Medieval Longsword Wrestling and Fencing/ Rennisance Fencing- Not to be confused with modern sport and olympia fencing which substitutes grabs and geometrical movement for "Gentlemen's Sport"

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LYlf24-ZM[/youtube]


    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaYZI3oCfuA[/youtube]



    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJT1_1C231k&feature=related[/youtube]

    To my knowledge the most effective systems that exist.
     
  14. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    SystemA has some really weird stuff in it. like teaching you to take a powerful punch in the stomache and then shrugging it off. lol.

    auw...

    that said, in this vid you can plainly see the people cooperating with his moves. but i dont doubt Systema is efficient. i think it's on par with most modern military martial arts.

    as for the ARMA thing, seems a lot more fun and realistic than we see in movies, that's for sure.
     
  15. I love ARMA. They are known as the blacksheep of medi-nerd fan base because of their dogmatic approach toward utilizing source material from period masters and focusing on the art as a intelligently designed form of military combat. The hate being grouped in with theater dueling, and modern sport fencing, and absolutely hate fantasy roleplayers. I was going to join ARMA in Dallas until I had to relocate.

    http://www.thearma.org/


    I could spend days reading the material on their website.

    My favorite material from the era is by Alvaro Guerra de la Vega on his geometric principles in fighting. The idea of this grid system of footwork has been the bases of my combined arms and unarmed fighting technique that i have been practicing.



    I have spent almost half a decade researching different martial systems and nothing has come close to the comprehensive usefulness and clarity of renaissance fencing and wrestling. The reason behind this is I suspect is that these systems where more utilized and needed in a military climate void of any ranged weapon not powered by very simple mechanics and pure muscle, and the amount of conflict during the time period. A whole cavern of knowledge and wisdom is buried and forgotten under the emergence of firearms and the military industrial complex.

    The only problem is trying to comprehend the archaic old English texts like this one.

    The 16th And Ye Defence Yt Nowed Shalt ????

    A profur a rake with a quarter full with another quarter largely a voyde then lyghtly turne youre body with a full quarter an other voyde be att youre stoppe.

    A profur a rake with a full quarter then loose yore lyfte hande fro youre sworde voydyng bake youre ryght legge bring hyt bake with yore ryght honde fayre before yore broste redy to foyne and ron in with a rake and a full quarter pleying the same pley twyse then bryng bake agayne youre sworde with ye sayde ryght honde and legge And smyte a full spryng lythly with a full quarter And an other A voyde and be att youre stoppe.


    Sounds like fat chicks fucking a cow to me.
     
  16. Grin

    Grin Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jul 2, 2006
    Been away for a while but as I've noticed, the topic has been popular. :D

    It's good to see so much advice, but there's a couple that sticked.

    I've done some research on these 'martial arts' and to me, the most important aspect is how it helps me in real situations. I'm hardly interested in competition or form but more so in usefulness.

    Two got my attention because of the focus on effective defensive capabilities.

    1. Krav Maga.
    2. Systema.

    It's hard to decide between these two, since they are both appealing, but so far Systema has been more appealing for the focus on instinctive, natural movements combined with effective defensive techniques.

    BUT.

    Krav Maga is more force orientated, and seems quicker and more effective against groups.


    I got both schools (Krav Maga and Systema) within reasonable distance from where I'm located. I think I'll try both, and post my experiences here.

    Meanwhile, any advice is appreciated.

    - Grin.
     
  17. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    finding a Systema teacher can't be easy... you're lucky. i'd go with KM though.

    (but once again, beware of the McDojos!)
     
  18. There is this instructor named Bill Wolfe who teaches unarmed military science. He knows what he's talking about, since he has used these actual skills in combat before. Most of what he teaches originates with the FSSF, or, "The Devils Brigade", and Fairbairn and Sykes in WW2.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjhKr5lFdUQ&feature=related[/youtube]

    http://defendoworld.com
     
  19. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    much of it looks like KM tbfh.

    remember though, that a lot of this type of training focuses less on self-defense and more on military man-to-man offense (knifing sentries, using a rifle mounted bayonet,...).

    PS: while he constantly says he's not commercial and stuff, he sure does have all the traits and makes all the right comments to be the exact opposite tbfh. :p
     
  20. Radwaster

    Radwaster It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 1, 2009
    You're correct, it's just the name of the shop.

    Like so much else.