More European hands-on previews
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Jesuit
It Wandered In From the Wastes
DarkUnderlord said:
Thanks for reminding me of what a fuck up I am for responding to your prior, semi-logical response.
Neverwinter27
First time out of the vault
Jabu said:
oh, I'll be one of the few who will be purchasing the game here, you can count on that.
Jesuit said:
I said myself that for all we know Bethesda might have been presenting an older build. But as previews are purely there hype, and even the more questionably legitimate journalists noticed the animation wackyness, they would have probably cared to put the update animations in the E3 demo, if those existed.
Jesuit said:
Who saw what preview last E3? (BN's and Suaside's impressions?)
Jesuit said:
I don't believe anyone (not me anyway) is claiming that they're reviewing the game. Sure we'd have to wait for the final game to be out. But that doesn't mean we can't comment on what we see and indeed speculate as to what it will mean for the boxed version.
And please explain what you mean by my logic not exactly being a sure thing?
DarkUnderlord
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
No worries.Jesuit said:
Jesuit
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Jabu said:
You were implying that the fact that animations take a long time means that it is unlikely that they will be improved. I was only saying that we don't really know the time line involved in any of this so such reasoning is not valid in terms of what can/may/probably won't be done.
Jesuit said:
Common man, now you're using some fuzzy logic. All I'm saying, as you write yourself, is that I find it unlikely that there will be any major improvments in animation. Its a matter of probabilty.
Simply put:
They just showed off sub-par animation; the demo could have been based on an old build (but there's no real reason to suspect that); quality animation takes a heck of a long time and usually isn't done in a freak sprint at the end of development; game ships in a few months
ergo
Animations in Fallout 3 shall probably not be super inspiring.
I'm not asserting any certainty here. But you saying that speculation is "not valid" because we don't know all the details, is just plain stupid or unrealistic.
No point bickering about it, though. I get what you're trying to say, (I think) you get what I'm trying to say.
Jesuit
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Jabu said:
Indeed. Sorry for going overboard.
The fact of the matter is there is no real reason for Bethesda to improve the animation. Looking at Oblivion they already know they can realease a subpar product and sell fuckloads of copies. They have effective hype-machines that pour lies and cool sounding half-truths on the general public acompanied by flashy shots of gore and bloom.
Judging by the previews I've read most of the game media still can't see past it... The hype will live on after release for long enough for modders to actually turn the game into something a bit more playable and Bethesda once again gets away with it. With Oblivion a lot of people admitted that the game had a lot of flaws but defend the game AND Bethesda by pleading that with mods it is still great... They forget that is not thanks to Bethesda.
Judging by the previews I've read most of the game media still can't see past it... The hype will live on after release for long enough for modders to actually turn the game into something a bit more playable and Bethesda once again gets away with it. With Oblivion a lot of people admitted that the game had a lot of flaws but defend the game AND Bethesda by pleading that with mods it is still great... They forget that is not thanks to Bethesda.
LOL, I loved the lizardmen argument.
I think that serious changes are higly unlikely at this point. They had 4-5 years for tinkering with animation/GFX and making it better than Oblivion after they got the first reviews of the game.
If they didn't do it until now they won't change it. If they really did make serious changes then why show the presentation based on old stuff? I'd drop everything else and make a decent new show for the people waiting for my product. If I had a car company and wanted to show my new car it to potential customers I wouldn't smear it with shit and tell everyone that this is just a presentation and the ones you'll be able to buy will be clean. It's just bad publicity. Even though Beth seems to recieve a lot of good press and creates a lot of hype I doubt that they would base the presentations on something very different (and worse than) the final game.
AND If they did they should start the demo by saying that this is the build from year ago, animation might be lacking, we're on the verge of release and had other things to finish than to redo it, blah blah blah. Which would seem kinda half-assed as well, because 2-3 months before release you are probably very close to getting the physical copies of the game and maybe making some final touches to the code. Which in turn would allow them to use the actual "almost final build" of the game for the presentation.
tl;dr:
The point, is that if the game comes out on time there's about 99.9% chance that we'll recieve something that closely resembles what we saw on the demos.
I think that serious changes are higly unlikely at this point. They had 4-5 years for tinkering with animation/GFX and making it better than Oblivion after they got the first reviews of the game.
If they didn't do it until now they won't change it. If they really did make serious changes then why show the presentation based on old stuff? I'd drop everything else and make a decent new show for the people waiting for my product. If I had a car company and wanted to show my new car it to potential customers I wouldn't smear it with shit and tell everyone that this is just a presentation and the ones you'll be able to buy will be clean. It's just bad publicity. Even though Beth seems to recieve a lot of good press and creates a lot of hype I doubt that they would base the presentations on something very different (and worse than) the final game.
AND If they did they should start the demo by saying that this is the build from year ago, animation might be lacking, we're on the verge of release and had other things to finish than to redo it, blah blah blah. Which would seem kinda half-assed as well, because 2-3 months before release you are probably very close to getting the physical copies of the game and maybe making some final touches to the code. Which in turn would allow them to use the actual "almost final build" of the game for the presentation.
tl;dr:
The point, is that if the game comes out on time there's about 99.9% chance that we'll recieve something that closely resembles what we saw on the demos.
Well, this build was probably finished, polished and vital areas hedged off for the pre-E3 hands-on previews (for the big magazines), so it's probably a few weeks old. Not more than that, tho'.
Showing off unnecessarily old demos is kind of stupid
Showing off unnecessarily old demos is kind of stupid
Anani Masu
Still Mildly Glowing
Well Bethesda did tour with their older demos for what, like six months? A stable build can sometimes be a pain in the ass to nail down while you are still working on it.
Anani Masu said:
Not when you're this near to gold. I repeat, because apparently this is a difficult concept, the game is finished.
That said, they toured the first demo for a painfully long time. By the time I got to see it, it was already a 4-months old build.
welsh
Junkmaster
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