NCR vs Legion vs Wild Card vs Mr House

House is a lottery ticket. If his projections about how much old world glory he can recreate are accurate and things go according to plan, that's likely the best thing for the Mojave. If he's wrong, it might be the second worst (behind the Legion of course.)

I think the best option for everyone that's considerably less risky would be for an independent Vegas to maintain good relations with the NCR (so don't throw Oliver off the dam) while forming an eastern boundary for the NCR, forcing them to look inward and solve some of their own problems rather than just using expansionism to soothe them. Then eventually Vegas can enter the NCR with the consent of its citizens, as an equal by way of treaty rather than as a client annexed by the military.

The Legion is far and away the worst choice because they're basically a cult of personality around Caesar predicated on preventing its members from considering alternative viewpoints. After Caesar dies (which is inevitable whether or not your fix his brain tumor, as he's already old) it's going to collapse swiftly and violently. Even if a charismatic leader appears to succeed him (which is *not* Lanius) it's inevitable that the Legion collapses as people are going to discover alternative ways of life and the Legion's dogma will crumble, which will end badly for all involved.
 
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I prefer Legion as they have the greatest potential out of all of the factions to get the most bang for the buck out of the region.

Sawyer said their lands are run more safer and more efficiently than those outside their influence, even the ones back in California. The only catch is, of course, nobody gets a say in how they are governed. If the Legion takes New Vegas, with Sallow at the helm, establishes the roots of an empire for the people to latch onto, they have the potential to do a helluva lot with the resources, infrastructure, and assimilated NCR citizens (farmers, doctors, engineers, merchants) at their disposal. Talk about a gamble, if Caesar dies or can't settle his empire in time it will fall apart quickly. If he can pull it off though, he's got a shot at creating a blossoming civilization that could last a good few hundred years.

NCR would be my second choice as they have come a long way and carved a fully-functioning nation out of the wastes. Impressive, but they moved too fast in the wrong direction and are on the verging of burning out.

House is well-meaning but deluded and won't ever leave New Vegas despite what he tells you. He'll keep the city and the surrounding regions secure with his robots and tribals, but New Vegas will remain a static snowglobe under his watch forever dependent on NCR.

Independent offers the same as a House-run New Vegas, just without the security.
 
Bubba Zanetti said:
I prefer Legion as they have the greatest potential out of all of the factions to get the most bang for the buck out of the region.

Sawyer said their lands are run more safer and more efficiently than those outside their influence, even the ones back in California. The only catch is, of course, nobody gets a say in how they are governed. If the Legion takes New Vegas, with Sallow at the helm, establishes the roots of an empire for the people to latch onto, they have the potential to do a helluva lot with the resources, infrastructure, and assimilated NCR citizens (farmers, doctors, engineers, merchants) at their disposal. Talk about a gamble, if Caesar dies or can't settle his empire in time it will fall apart quickly. If he can pull it off though, he's got a shot at creating a blossoming civilization that could last a good few hundred years.

NCR would be my second choice as they have come a long way and carved a fully-functioning nation out of the wastes. Impressive, but they moved too fast in the wrong direction and are on the verging of burning out.

House is well-meaning but deluded and won't ever leave New Vegas despite what he tells you. He'll keep the city and the surrounding regions secure with his robots and tribals, but New Vegas will remain a static snowglobe under his watch forever dependent on NCR.

Independent offers the same as a House-run New Vegas, just without the security.
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What he said.
 
The Legion or House's Regime are the best choices for dealing with the disorder that typifies the Mojave Wasteland. In a world such as Fallout's, Federal Democracies such as the NCR, or Laissez Faire Anarcho-Capitalism(Independence), are not effective when faced with all the challenges of the Post-Nuclear United States.
 
House all the way. He's clever enough to run Vegas and has an army of robots with rocket-hands to keep it running. Sure, it's not a democracy or anything, but at least it'd be free of anarchy and such, I'd assume.

Independent Vegas is kinda' similar, only a little more terrifying and full of independent tribals and towns and not run by a pre-war genius.

The NCR is bloated as hell and can barely afford the Mojave campaign as it is, and managing the region, especially if they try to take on the Boomers or something to that effect. Besides, it's pretty damn ineffective when it comes to most things anyway.

The Legion is the goddamned Legion. I really have not interest in being crucified, beheaded, burnt or enslaved by crazy wannabe-romans.
 
Personally I'd say House. The legion will collapse without Lanius or Caesar and the NCR just isn't powerful enough and is too corrupt.
 
I do wish the Legion had been developed more. They work fine as a slaver horde, but nobody really legitimately chooses them.
 
Since the Legion got the shaft in terms of development, you really have to read between the lines in order to understand them. Sawyer's comments also offer some insight as well.

What we ended up with though was too much telling and not enough showing.

It really is a shame they didn't get to include the glimpse into Legion society behind Caesar's military lines.
 
I've taken the House route. All the smaller, peripheral communities, like Goodsprings, died. House doesn't care about anyone's prosperity but his own.
 
What? In the normal Good Karma House ending, Goodsprings thrives in the same way it does under Wild Card. The only difference is that Victor is stationed there. Primm also has the same ending as Wild Card depending on the choice of Sheriff.

You must have fucked those communities up for them to die off like that.
 
Only thing I remember is that if you install NCR as the constabulary of Primm, House will "punish" them with heavy taxes. Put in anybody else--Meyers, Primm Slimm--and it's business as usual there.

Other than that, House's attitude is strictly laissez-faire in regards to the out-lying communities.
 
I hate the House ending for one reason: he has The Kings wiped out JUST because they made peace with the NCR. Mind you, The Kings are simply not attacking NCR Squaters anymore, they aren't joining the NCR. And why would House want The Kings to continue attacking potential customers?
 
OK, I only played the House questline once, and I remember I hated the endings. The House end for Goodsprings doesn't describe it as being prosperous. However, the independent Vegas ending says Goodsprings "thrived".
 
X12 said:
I hate the House ending for one reason: he has The Kings wiped out JUST because they made peace with the NCR. Mind you, The Kings are simply not attacking NCR Squaters anymore, they aren't joining the NCR. And why would House want The Kings to continue attacking potential customers?
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I can sorta understand House's paranoia regarding the Kings.

Having just been booted out of the region, NCR would likely use the Kings as proxies to oppose or disrupt House's plans for New Vegas.

As for safe passage into New Vegas, I figure House would simply acquire McCarran during his expansion phase and use the monorail as the new way in and out of New Vegas. It doesn't say either way of course, but I would think having to trudge thru a filthy slum to reach New Vegas is not what House originally intended.

Richwizard said:
OK, I only played the House questline once, and I remember I hated the endings. The House end for Goodsprings doesn't describe it as being prosperous. However, the independent Vegas ending says Goodsprings "thrived".
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Right, Goodsprings only "thrives" in an Independent ending.

The ending Goodsprings gets in a House ending still isn't half bad, but Doc Mitchell does refer to Victor as a "mixed blessing" who protects the town while also monitoring it.
 
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The reason I say that Goodsprings "thrives" under House is because there is literally no difference from Wild-Card other than the fact that Victor hangs around. It can be assumed that the town prospers in the same way because it's the same situation.
 
AlphaPromethean said:
The reason I say that Goodsprings "thrives" under House is because there is literally no difference from Wild-Card other than the fact that Victor hangs around. It can be assumed that the town prospers in the same way because it's the same situation.
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Agreed, Mr House isn't bad but he does exterminate the kings who deserve freeside. They're not all bad and do help.
 
Bubba Zanetti said:
As for safe passage into New Vegas, I figure House would simply acquire McCarran during his expansion phase and use the monorail as the new way in and out of New Vegas. It doesn't say either way of course, but I would think having to trudge thru a filthy slum to reach New Vegas is not what House originally intended.
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Ok, then why did he intentionally make the strip extremely exclusive and practically devoid of poor "undesirables". House is smart enough that he has to know what would happen, I mean it's the exact same story as the flight of the middle class to the Suburbs beginning in the 50's, only in reverse. The people who could afford it move to the safety of New Vegas while the powers that be (in this case House) basically give the destitute the finger and only develop the rich areas. If House truly is as smart as the game implies, there's no way he couldn't have predicted the creation of a ghetto on the fringes of his gated community. Honestly this is my one major misgiving with houses plans, he is only interested in his vision of progress and he obviously doesn't care who he steps on, or leaves behind, to get there.
 
Mr House > NCR > Legion

The Wild Card ending is, well, a Wild Card. Depending on what you did and how you behaved, it can be better than Mr. House or worse than the Legion.
 
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