NFL 2009

[UniversalWolf]

I think Hass will return to form this year.

Favre will play. He's going to wait for a starter (Romo? Hass?) to break a leg so he can step in.

Michael Vick is trying out for the Vikings, because that organization loves to destroy itself from the inside, and they figured this was a good way since the Favre Vengeance Tour fell through.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Michael Vick is trying out for the Vikings

nfw.


is this true? that would make my fucking dick fucking hard. just add some more hate juice to that franchise. oooh, something to cheer against with veins popping.

 

[UniversalWolf]

s this true? that would make my fucking dick fucking hard. just add some more hate juice to that franchise. oooh, something to cheer against with veins popping.

They deny talking to him, but there are rumors.

Actually, word on the street is he's meeing with..guess who...

THE PATS

right now, as we speak.

 

[Brother None]

Patriots would be a good spot. They're really good at keeping lil' rugrats like Vick in check, and Bill is creative enough to find ways to use him in the offense.

Besides, it's better than if he goes Vikes or Skins, since that might actually imply they're looking at him as a starting QB, which would be inane

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Too bad Vick doesn't play OLB.
National media is hyping this up, local media is shooting it down. Jock sniffers at ESPN need some faux-hype to fill air time, Belichik's just playing with them as usual, only feeds the hype whores. Plus we got Floyd Reese in the front office, expect some bold moves from him

I wouldn't mind seeing Vick as a Pat so long as he can contribute more on the field than he would chew up in cap space (that's true for anyone). That's the Patriot's way, everyone has a value. Mike Vick has some value, and he can be got for cheap. He's a versatile, athletic football player, which Belichik loves (Troy Brown, Vrabel, Dave Meggett) type. If he can produce and contribute to a championship, I'm all for him.
You know they'd give him a no-win, minimum, bear it up your ass contract too, that would give them all kinds of outs. Pats/Belichik are shrewd motherfuckers, Mike Vick would basically have to unconditionally surrender his individuality if he ever wanted to don the Flying Elvis.

Having Vick would just throw gasoline on the anti-Pats fire, which in turn reciprocates the persecution complex that the Belichik and the Pats have and just fires them up more. It's great how that works.

I say bring Vick in. I say embrace the hate! The foundation of the Pat's dynasty is robbing, cheating and lying. I watched the Tuck Rule Game replay the other day - it's hard to remember that Brady and the dyasty's foundation was built on that bullshit call. It was the launching point for Brady and the dynasty. So it's not like the Pats are above Mike Vick, and that's cool so long as he's productive.

The whole league hates the Pats anyway, not beacuse of cheating (that's just the pretense), but quite simply because they're scared of them. Having Vick line up would just exacerbate things.

Reality is I would really question what contribution he could make to this club - they don't need him, they need LB help. And he's probably not worth the distraction his presence would create.

I guess we shall see.

 

[Brother None]

The whole league hates the Pats anyway, not beacuse of cheating (that's just the pretense), but quite simply because they're scared of them.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

The whole league hates the Pats anyway, not beacuse of cheating (that's just the pretense), but quite simply because they're scared of them.

 

[Sander]

The whole league hates the Pats anyway, not beacuse of cheating (that's just the pretense), but quite simply because they're scared of them.

Yeah, I think it's remarks like this that make people hate them.

Plus, people love underdogs, which means not rooting for the Pats.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

You mean like their 2001 SB run which culminated in a victory over the Greatest Show on Turf? Oh how fickle. "We were oblivious to how good you were, so now we can't root for you anymore." The mainstream won't support the Pats because they're too good? What a fucking tragedy. I'm sure Belichik cries himself to sleep at night knowing that he doesn't give people the warm fuzzies.

Everybody except the home crowd and bandwagon frontrunners hate dynasties. Because they're good, you don't want to be humiliated and exposed by them. I hated the Redskins, Giants, '9ers and the Cowboys too. Until they stopped winning. So I'll take the hate as a sign of respect. Because if the Pats weren't already odds-on favorites*, the point would be moot.

*Like the Steelers need a chip on their shoulders, fucking Vegas eggheads.

 

[Brother None]

The whole league hates the Pats anyway, not beacuse of cheating (that's just the pretense), but quite simply because they're scared of them.

So, Q: do you actually believe this? That the "whole league" hates the Pats, because they're "scared" of them? Honestly now...

 

[Sander]

You mean like their 2001 SB run which culminated in a victory over the Greatest Show on Turf? Oh how fickle. "We were oblivious to how good you were, so now we can't root for you anymore." The mainstream won't support the Pats because they're too good? What a fucking tragedy. I'm sure Belichik cries himself to sleep at night knowing that he doesn't give people the warm fuzzies.

Everybody except the home crowd and bandwagon frontrunners hate dynasties. Because they're good, you don't want to be humiliated and exposed by them. I hated the Redskins, Giants, '9ers and the Cowboys too. Until they stopped winning. So I'll take the hate as a sign of respect. Because if the Pats weren't already odds-on favorites*, the point would be moot.

*Like the Steelers need a chip on their shoulders, fucking Vegas eggheads.

I like how you're projecting your own fear of good teams on other people.

People hate dynasties not because they're afraid of them, they hate them because if someone wins all the time, it's no fun.
It's why a lot of people hated Lance Armstrong or Michael Schumacher.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

So, Q: do you actually believe this? That the "whole league" hates the Pats, because they're "scared" of them? Honestly now...

So you'd like your chances in an AFC playoff game in Foxboro in the snow? Who's ever overcome that?

People hate dynasties not because they're afraid of them, they hate them because if someone wins all the time, it's no fun.
It's why a lot of people hated Lance Armstrong or Michael Schumacher.

I don't see how, in the salary cap and parity era, where everyone copies everyone else and steals their assistants and players, that you're not pointing the finger at the inept franchises that allow this to continue. Dynasties should not exist in the NFL anymore.

You'd rather F1 w/o Shumacer, golf w/o Tiger - shit the NBA still hasn't recovered from life w/o Jordan.

Should we hate the Cowboys dynasty for being good, or retarded organizations like Minnesota who's unprecedentedly fuckwitted Herschell Walker trade was the catalyst for the 'boys dynasty?

 

[Brother None]

So you'd like your chances in an AFC playoff game in Foxboro in the snow? Who's ever overcome that?

That's not what I asked. I asked if you're truly delusional enough to think the ENTIRE league HATES the Patriots because they have a high winning percentage (high, not 100%)? Hell, my team doesn't play AFC playoff games in Foxboro in the snow, I mean seriously.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Well, entire is a bit much. There are plenty with enough good sense to want to come here and play - with a pay cut - even more that can't publicly admit it.

Hell, my team doesn't play AFC playoff games in Foxboro in the snow, I mean seriously.

What a relief, it is kind of moot being that they probably won't make the playoffs anyway.

 

[Sander]

I don't see how, in the salary cap and parity era, where everyone copies everyone else and steals their assistants and players, that you're not pointing the finger at the inept franchises that allow this to continue. Dynasties should not exist in the NFL anymore.

You'd rather F1 w/o Shumacer, golf w/o Tiger - shit the NBA still hasn't recovered from life w/o Jordan.

Should we hate the Cowboys dynasty for being good, or retarded organizations like Minnesota who's unprecedentedly fuckwitted Herschell Walker trade was the catalyst for the 'boys dynasty?

What? Where the hell did this rant come from?
I'm not saying you 'should' hate anyone. Just that your quip about everyone being deathly afraid of the Patriots and hence hating them is nonsense. The hatred doesn't stem from fear, at least not all of it, and probably not the majority either.
It can stem from asshole supporters, though. Lines like "They just hate us because we're afraid" don't endear you to anyone.

Also, teams or people that completely dominate do take a lot of the suspense, and hence fun, out of competitions.

 

[[PCE]el_Prez]

I don't hate the Patriots. I generally hate 9/10 BOSTON sports fans that i meet. Personally, I have a lot of respect for the Patriots. They are by far the best coached team in the NFL and it certainly shows. I think that Belicheck is a cheater and an asshole but I'll be the first one to admit that he's a fucking awesome coach.
2 years ago I would want to watch the Patriots games just to see that badass offense (btw - the Pats O-Line put on a show that year. Brady literally had 10+ seconds in the pocket.).

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

What? Where the hell did this rant come from?
I'm not saying you 'should' hate anyone. Just that your quip about everyone being deathly afraid of the Patriots and hence hating them is nonsense. The hatred doesn't stem from fear, at least not all of it, and probably not the majority either.

If they didn't threaten people it wouldn't be an issue. Would people be as upset if the Texans got caught stealing signals
?

It can stem from asshole supporters, though. Lines like "They just hate us because we're afraid" don't endear you to anyone.

Which column does endearing to others show up in? There's one relevant statistic in football - Ws. That's what gets coaches fired. That's Belichik's entire raison d'etre. He's not there to help the press write a compelling story. He's not there to pat people on the back. He's not there to tuck my kids into be with a bedtime story. His job is to win as many football games as he can

Also, teams or people that completely dominate do take a lot of the suspense, and hence fun, out of competitions.

I get your point, Pats 3 SBs were won by FG margins. And their last loss (by a FG margin) was one of the best SBs ever. They've a history of edging people out in the last 2 minutes. See: Vinatieri.

I can dig it, I couldn't stand the hype around guys like Montana/Young/Rice, Aikman/Irvin/Smith, and those dudes. But as a fan of excellent football I had to be in awe of what they accomplished. That NFC championship game where Emmitt slashed the Giants to ribbons with a separated shoulder, or when Jerry Rice got 3TDs in the SB with the same injury. I hated those motherfucker, but deep down in my heart I knew I was watching a phenom.

 

[Brother None]

el_Prez]I don't hate the Patriots. I generally hate 9/10 BOSTON sports fans that i meet. Personally, I have a lot of respect for the Patriots.

Same here.

I've said it before but I'll say it again: it almost strikes me like guys like Cimm are jealous of being fans, and fearful of admitting anyone else could like their team. If you admire the Pats, you're a band-wagoner. If you hate them, you're a fearful pussy. There's no out, no winning way, and they'll do everything in their whiny little Masshole power to get you to hate their franchise.

I'd be annoyed by it if it weren't so darned amusing.

el_Prez]2 years ago I would want to watch the Patriots games just to see that badass offense (btw - the Pats O-Line put on a show that year. Brady literally had 10+ seconds in the pocket.).

Their O-line has always been pretty good, but they're helped by the fact that their QB has more pocket awareness than any QB currently playing the game. Though his taste in women is still eh.

Cassel did a lot worse behind that line...I'm curious to see how the kid'll do in Kansas City. Wouldn't be surprised if it's "not all that well".

 

[Sander]

If they didn't threaten people it wouldn't be an issue. Would people be as upset if the Texans got caught stealing signals?

No, they'd be part upset, part amused at the hilarious incompetence even though they were cheating.
Although general doping-related outrage in the Tour de France shows that people also hate cheaters who still don't win.

But that isn't the point. Fuck the cheating. I don't give a shit about the cheating (because it happened largely when I wasn't following the NFL, and they were punished), but your posts in this thread make me hate the Pats anyway.

Which column does endearing to others show up in? There's one relevant statistic in football - Ws. That's what gets coaches fired. That's Belichik's entire raison d'etre. He's not there to help the press write a compelling story. He's not there to pat people on the back. He's not there to tuck my kids into be with a bedtime story. His job is to win as many football games as he can

Yes. An excellent point. If we were discussing the Patriots' success. Which we aren't. Is this all you can come up with when confronted with 'you guys are dicks'? "You should like us because we win?" Yeah, that's totally not dickish.
Popularity is not the same as success.

See: The Raiders.

I get your point, Pats 3 SBs were won by FG margins. And their last loss (by a FG margin) was one of the best SBs ever. They've a history of edging people out in the last 2 minutes. See: Vinatieri.

I can dig it, I couldn't stand the hype around guys like Montana/Young/Rice, Aikman/Irvin/Smith, and those dudes. But as a fan of excellent football I had to be in awe of what they accomplished. That NFC championship game where Emmitt slashed the Giants to ribbons with a separated shoulder, or when Jerry Rice got 3TDs in the SB with the same injury. I hated those motherfucker, but deep down in my heart I knew I was watching a phenom.

There's also a difference between respect and hate.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I've said it before but I'll say it again: it almost strikes me like guys like Cimm are jealous of being fans, and fearful of admitting anyone else could like their team. If you admire the Pats, you're a band-wagoner. If you hate them, you're a fearful pussy. There's no out, no winning way, and they'll do everything in their whiny little Masshole power to get you to hate their franchise.

I'd be annoyed by it if it weren't so darned amusing.

Now you're getting it, I'm just gloating. This is the same shit I had to endure as a Pats fan for 20 years before BB took the reins. I'd go to home games and see more Buffalo, Jets or Miami (WTF?) fans here acting like a-holes. The best thing about going to a Pats game was seeing the competition come to town. I used to love watching Jim Kelly shred us! That was our only shot of seeing NFL football!

I pinch myself all the time because I can't believe this is the same organization I grew up with. It's like a dream. If you guys only just picked up the sport it's probably hard to fathom but the Pats were one of the all time jokes of abysmal franchises. I remember 2 and a couple 3 win seasons growing up, 1st round bust after 1st round bust. It was perpetual hopelessness before Bob Kraft bought the team.

And for the 80millionth time, I am born and raised in Connecticut, with the exception of 5 years in Tokyo I've spent the other 99.9% of my life in New England (the part that's not Massachusetts). So if you want to bash me for being a snobby Connecticunt I'll take it but I resent being lumped in with the Massholes. I know how bad they are - if you ever get a chance listen to local radio, or local Celtics/Bruins announcers - they are the most egrigious, unabashed homers in sports.

el_Prez]
Cassel did a lot worse behind that line...I'm curious to see how the kid'll do in Kansas City. Wouldn't be surprised if it's "not all that well".

He'll struggle in KC somewhat, but who wouldn't? I think the perception of him is overblown. I'm just glad the team capitalized on his fleeting success to get something for him when he could've walked.

Although general doping-related outrage in the Tour de France shows that people also hate cheaters who still don't win.

The NFL knows how to handle doping scandals because players get busted all the time, yet there's no outrage at all. Look at the mess the MLB has on it's hands, what a clusterfuck baseball is.