NFL 2009

I think technically, it will work. Odd thing is that what the Vikings need is a ball-control offense, led by AP with a QB on the backburner. Neither Tavaris nor Rosenfels is an ideal fit for that (though I still think they should give T-Jax another honest shot), but Favre certainly isn't.

That said, system-wise there's no reason he shouldn't succeed. He won't, though, because he's an old has-been. Which is not saying anything bad about his career, but when you're turning 40, there are very few QBs who aren't hasbeens.
 
TwinkieStabllis said:
Favre came into the picture intercepting his own pass, throwing fucked up hail marys, shuffling around the pocket and shovel-passing weird shit to anybody we were all just like "FUCK YEAH DO SOMETHING WHY NOT LOL!!!" and after it actually started to work for us (him/Packers) we began to worship him like he was blessed by the Gods of Luck. even Holmgren just threw his hands in the air like "i can't fucking coach this asshole...he just does whatever the fuck anyway."
Yeah, we all loved it.
It's the post-Pack Favre that's ruining that legacy. The guy wasn't perfect, but he took chances - sometimes pulling amazing shit out of his ass, other times crashing and burning. He was human like us! Not one of these robotic golden-boys like Payton Manning.

But it's become readily apprarent that the whole comback is motivated by some vindicative, spurned, ex-girlfriend like desire to stick it to Packers front office.
I mean, when Joe Montana went to KC, it had the feeling of SF being like "look Joe, you're never going to be at the same level and we have this guy Steve Young that's young and promising." And Joe like "Whatever, I think I have some good years left, and if not here, I'll find a team that I can contribute to for a few more years." And Young went on to prove that SF was right. And Joe went on to prove he was right too with a AFC champ appearance. Everybody was happy. Joe gets retired and into the HOF as a '9er. Hardly any drama at all. And Joe was as big as it gets in any sport back then - he was Mike Jordan, Tiger Woods whatever...

But Favre - and it sucks because he's such an icon of the sport. It's like all of his legacy, his reputation everything is changing because of his selfish need for revenge.
That being said I'll still tune in for those 2 games and might even route for him from a spoiler standpoint

I'm reminded of the great Steelers LB Greg Lloyd. He always played with this pissed off, nearly criminal Mike Tyson-esque attitude where he hated you from his old neighborhood. Like you stole his milk money from him when he was a kid. He hated you, and he'd let the hate manifest itself in a sickeningly violent way. He never smiled or joked. He was never friendly to anyone.
He made everything personal.
But he never made himself bigger than the game or his teammates.

Favre would've buried Rodger's career before it ever got off the ground. He used the Jets to keep his hopes alive to get back in his old division (getting the coach fired in the process). Now he's stringing the Vikes along, when they should be getting their offense ready to go, they've got the whole organization in a holding pattern.
He's a selfish bastard. And it's too bad because he could've been when of the all time fan favorites.
Look at Jim Kelly, he's bigger than the pope in Buffallo. And he never won the big one.
 
TwinkieStabllis said:
...what most of the NFL world fails to realize is that in GB we saw Don fucking Majkowski as a savior!
Hey, don't knock Magic! He was pretty good and I remember him fondly. :P

Brother None said:
That said, system-wise there's no reason he shouldn't succeed. He won't, though, because he's an old has-been. Which is not saying anything bad about his career, but when you're turning 40, there are very few QBs who aren't hasbeens.
The problem is that he's not going to a 4-12 team this year. For a couple of years now the Vikings have been telling themselves they would be Super Bowl contenders if they only had a decent QB. Anything less than a deep playoff run is a failure.

Whether Favre is washed-up or not, opponents won't be able to stack the line against the run as long as he's under center. Even a washed-up Favre will eat any defense for lunch if they crowd the line. Look for Peterson to have a monster season. :|

Cimmerian Nights said:
How long until Jets fans have Sanchez reduced to a quivering pile of jelly? Too bad, the kid seems so bright and eager. He'll get booed off the field before the 4th game is in the books. And then they'll get what they asked for...Cowboy Kellen Clemens.
I agree I can see that happening.

From what I saw the last couple of years, I thought the Jets should've stuck with Ratliff.

BTW, CN, you probably already know who this guy is since he's been with Buffalo and Baltimore, but now that he's a Jet you might learn to hate him. He's a freak of nature:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Leonhard

When he played for the Badgers he was the team slam-dunk champion even though he's only 5'8". :shock:
Ever since he first signed with the Bills I've been pissed that the Packers never gave him a shot.
 
UniversalWolf said:
From what I saw the last couple of years, I thought the Jets should've stuck with Ratliff.
Yeah, word was, the kid has a lot of potential and was a promising franchise type QB if he had a patient organization/fanbase willing to give him reasonable time to develop. Typical Jets ineptitude.


Jim_Leonhard
Yeah him and Bart Scott were the big guys Rex is bringing in. I'll begrudgingly like this guy pobably, I love hard hitting D-backs - especially white ones. Last of the Mohicans you know.

And Rex too, I was a huge fan of his father, guy crafted the most dominant defenses ever in the 85 Bears and early 90s Philly. Love that 6-4.
And Rex is saying all the right things, he's already confronting the Pats/BB/Brady in press conferences. But that shit can backfire too. All the bluster never won his daddy a football game. I can see his act wear thin, especially in NY.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I love hard hitting D-backs - especially white ones.

mothafuckinman.jpg



CHUCK. FUCKING. CECIL.
 
Chuck Cecil is hated in Chicago to this day. :D

Leonhard's no Chuck Cecil in the raw hitting department, but he's fast, smart, a ball hawk, and an excellent return man.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
He's gonna need the ups when he has to cover Moss.
The mistake teams usually make is to try and exploit his height disadvantage. You wouldn't think so to look at him, but he can sky like Jordan.

Cimmerian Nights said:
And Chuck Cecil was a total badass.
My fantasy league championship prize is called the Chuck Cecil Trophy.
 
Martha Stewart says, when you don't have any Cecil readily available substitute some Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, Lynch, or Jack Tatum.

Here's a nice compilation if you can stand the gangsta rap and the guy splicing his son in there.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ8eHXFrnQ0[/youtube]

Love that old footage from when clotheslines, elbow/forearm shivers, helmet spears and head slaps were still legal.
 
Speaking of hard hits, Seahawks statement of the day: Jamar Adams should replace Brian "True Grit" Russell.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSTp0frDDWo[/youtube](sorry for the no-sound thing. Just skip to 0:30)

Yes or no?
 
Yoo Hoo



Brother None said:
No, but he has a post-season win ratio of 7 out of 15, with a QBrating of 84.6.
What's that a .446 win PCT, that sucks, and that's way down from his .665 regular season winning PCT. And the 84.6 is down from 94.7. His TD to INT ratio drops considerably too.
You have to realize, this is a guy that's entered the playoffs with 7 twelve or higher win teams. Followed by the one-and-dones. I don't need to bash him, his regular season vs playoff numbers tell the whole story.

But that's OK just dismiss me as an irrational Pats fan, it seems like your favorite, blanket counter-argument. You'll notice I don't go that route. :high road:
 
if you guys don't stop this shit i will destroy you. there are better things to talk about. such as:

is Big Ben a rapist?

will Favrewhore say "Vikings!" today?

will Jamie Dukes' ego explode into a thousand furious colors which replace all fossil fuels thus giving a sudden boost to our economy?
 
TwinkieStabllis said:
if you guys don't stop this shit i will destroy you. there are better things to talk about. such as:

is Big Ben a rapist?
Probably not. 's not like he needs to rape to get pussy.

Twinkie said:
will Favrewhore say "Vikings!" today?
He's a whore, so yes.
I also suspect he's just addicted to the sport and/or afraid of life after American Football and that that's why he just keeps going.

twinkie said:
will Jamie Dukes' ego explode into a thousand furious colors which replace all fossil fuels thus giving a sudden boost to our economy?
Who?
 
Sander said:
Probably not. 's not like he needs to rape to get pussy.

yeah, i know. i just think it's teh funneh.


He's a whore, so yes.
I also suspect he's just addicted to the sport and/or afraid of life after American Football and that that's why he just keeps going.

it's certainly part of it. i mean, you do one thing better than most people for long enough...how do you stop? i mean, look at the fucking Stones! they'll all die onstage before they stop and i'm sure that's what they've all told themselves as well.


Jamie Dukes. the most irritating, egotistical, arrogant fucking sports commentator of all time. he mostly played for the Cards, but for a short time he played for the Pack (but left before the superbowl...LOSER, HA!).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auVj4HA3oP4[/youtube]

Rich Eisen on the other hand is Teh Shit!
 
Sander said:
is Big Ben a rapist?
I don't really care, he's never was the sharpest tool in the shed, but until it effects his onfield eliginility, I'm ambivalent.

and/or afraid of life after American Football and that that's why he just keeps going.
I'd be scared too if I had to spend the rest of my life in Mississippi

I know not of this Dukes.
edit: oh, I'm too cheap to upgrade to get NFL network. But I bribed my wife off with a coach bag and some fuck-me gogo boots to get her to agree to buy a new HD TV before the season starts, then I'll get it. Any suggestions on a good TV?

Well, I was really baked and nothing was on so I watched a rerun of the ESPYs at like 1:00AM the other day. God that was just such a manufactured, pretensious, self-important, faux-hip, paint-by-numbers award show. They'd force these really awkward celebrity/athelete pairs (beacuse celebrities love ESPN so you should too!) to come read scripted jokes and hand out fake awards to people who couldn't care less. There was this bizarre thing where they gave like the Arthur Ashe Courage award to Nelson Mandella -WTF? It's these feeble attempts to attach gravity and legitimacy to a channel that exists just to show sports bloopers and highlights. ESPN must be stoppped before theit plan for world domination is complete.
 
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