NFL 2010

[Sander]

Tramon Williams certainly had a better year as a corner than Revis did.

There were a lot of dropped passes that were inexcusable and Roethlisberger threw too many interceptions. The offenses on both sides weren't as clean as they could have and should have been. That said, both defenses were impressive and it was a close game. It wasn't a great super bowl but it was a good one.

The dropped passes were bad but they happen fairly frequently anyway. Roethlisberger throwing interceptions was forced by the defense, as was everything when the offenses didn't look sharp. There's a tendency to look at the performance of the offense to see whether the game was played well, but that ignores that a well-played game features great defenses that are tough to break down.

 

[Brother None]

I dunno about forced. His second interception (I think) was just boneheaded.

 

[Sander]

I dunno about forced. His second interception (I think) was just boneheaded.

His first was a throw off his back foot while being hit, where he probably just should've eaten the sack. The second was on a crossing route where a safety came driving down. That one wasn't too pretty either. But it's also very good defensive play.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Woulda been a safety if he took the sack. Still, throwing it to a guy who happens to be pretty good at pick-sixin' is definitely the worse idea.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

#2 punched that dude in the face for a 15 yard penalty.
That was really stupid.

Yep, that sucked. And this is an indication of his overall quality as a as a ST player how?

Lack of discipline? Generally the idea is to minimize the net punt yards and advance the ball forward, not backwards.

He's no Revis.

I haven't seen one argument regarding his CB skills.

Nice corner, but he put the special in special teams.

I wasn't going there. But if I was, I wouldn't start with a Revis comparison.

Hey, here's an idea! Let's wait until Rodgers is done playing, then go ahead wasting your time comparing.

Wait, I thought the entire country was enamored with the whole "stepping out from Favre's shadow" storee line. Redemption, exorcising the demons, monkey off your back am I missing any cliches? I (the lone voice of reason in America) am just refuting the myopia of that romantic notion. Great, Super Bowl MVP, you're right up there with Mark Rypien now!

In all honesty, without the WR drops, Rodgers could've had himself a HOF inducatable game right there.
Steelers CBs blow. Steelers are built to win the AFC North, but are prone to really bad matchups with some teams.

Man, why are you so good at trolling? You've spent entire off-seasons here yammering about how the AFC is so much better and the NFC are just a bunch of scrubs. I just bring up the balance seems to be back - if it was ever gone - and suddenly you don't care and it's all chauvinism?

Just because the top 5 of the AFC are better than the top 5 of the NFC doesn't infer some kind of inherent advantage of one conference over the other. It just so happens that at this point in time that's how things shake out.

I don't know of any more legitimate definition of "the best team" than "the team that won the championship".

You think the '01 Patriots were better than the '01 Rams?
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

There's a tendency to look at the performance of the offense to see whether the game was played well, but that ignores that a well-played game features great defenses that are tough to break down.

Yeah, it's almost as if the league's top two scoring defenses were out there or something. Not impressed...child, please. Steelers went down swinging, and Packers deserved the win. That was a well played game indeed.

 

[Brother None]

I wasn't going there. But if I was, I wouldn't start with a Revis comparison.

I dunno dude. Revis be Revis, but like Sander said, he had a poor(er) year. Williams was certainly better in the playoffs, and looks to be one of the best corners in the NFL already.

Wait, I thought the entire country was enamored with the whole "stepping out from Favre's shadow" storee line.

Dude when will you stop talking to us as if we're responsible for national media stories. No one here buys into that shit.

Steelers CBs blow. Steelers are built to win the AFC North, but are prone to really bad matchups with some teams.

Not necessarily the Packers tho. Corners aside, their defense matched up pretty well with the Packers. Jennings was invisible and with Driver out Rodgers was steadily forced to go to his drop-happy WRs. That's pretty good.

It just so happens that at this point in time that's how things shake out.

Right. Except for the part where it doesn't.

You think the '01 Patriots were better than the '01 Rams?

No, that's a different question. I think the Rams were better than the Pats, the Pats better than the Giants years back and damn better than the Jets this year, and you better believe I think the Seahawks were better than the Steelers in '05. But that's just a random opinion no one cares about. Random opinion is no standard. There only objective measuring stick is who won. The rest is just filler, unless you really want to bring in "9 times out of 10 we beat them" stuff. That's LaToeInjury levels of thinking.

Not impressed...child, please. Steelers went down swinging, and Packers deserved the win. That was a well played game indeed.

For the most part yes. But not the best. The lack of rungame was mostly on the defenses playing well, but I don't know how much I can credit the defense for all of those dropped passes and Ben's bad day (which is surely for a good chunk on the defense, but not all of it. Their O-line held up well).

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Lack of discipline? Generally the idea is to minimize the net punt yards and advance the ball forward, not backwards.

*scratches head*

See, an' here I thought I was a Packer fan who's been watching #38 for a couple years. Only time I've seen him do something like that. So that makes him suck? Riiiight. If you were a superhero your only power would be that of intense hyperbole.

I wasn't going there. But if I was, I wouldn't start with a Revis comparison.

Mmmkay. Here's something which might surprise you: I don't give a good goddamn what you would or wouldn't start with. There's a fan-made, light-hearted t shirt celebrating Williams' incredible season of shutting down top receivers.

Cimm, seriously...at some point you're going to have to take your own dick out your mouth.

 

[UniversalWolf]

Everyone says the Steelers made too many mistakes, but if you cherry-pick away Green Bay's mistakes that game could've been an Atlanta-like blowout.

If Woodson doesn't get hurt I don't think the Steelers make nearly the same comeback. In fact, one of Pittsburgh's mistakes was not realizing sooner that Jarrett Bush can't cover his own toast with butter, much less Hines Ward. Even his interception happened because he was out of position and left Heath Miller wide open down the field.

Anyway, fun times here in Wisconsin. Congrats to Pittsburgh on a great season and being gracious in defeat.

Wait, I thought the entire country was enamored with the whole "stepping out from Favre's shadow" storee line.

Dude when will you stop talking to us as if we're responsible for national media stories. No one here buys into that shit.

The ubiquitous monkey-off-his-back line is the worst part of the coverage by the commentators. A few weeks ago the monkey was that Rodgers had never won a playoff game, even though he'd only played in a total of one. Then after the Packers beat the Eagles, the supposed monkey was supposed to have been exorcised, but apparently there was a new monkey about never having won a SB, since that one's off his back now too.

I'm calling it: Rodgers has to repeat as SB MVP to get the monkey off his back. Then he'll finally be out from under Favre's shadow.

 

[Guiltyofbeingtrite]

I actually thought it was one of the least tense games I've ever watched, I figure that was mainly Fox's presentation though.

 

[Sander]

I actually thought it was one of the least tense games I've ever watched, I figure that was mainly Fox's presentation though.

Joe Buck has a way of sapping all tension from a game, but in a bar without being able to hear much of the commentary it was pretty tense for me.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Wait, I thought the entire country was enamored with the whole "stepping out from Favre's shadow" storee line.

Dude when will you stop talking to us as if we're responsible for national media stories. No one here buys into that shit.

Yeah, asking one person to bear the burden of an entire fanbase's yahoos is pretty stupid.
Nobody has to like Favre, but to ignore his career in toto, and only focus on the last few years is awfully shortsighted. He deserves his due as the most productive, durable QB ever.

I kind of doubt that's what drives Rodgers anyway. This is the kind of romantic b.s. Cinderella narrative the sports press always shovels. I think they have a dozen prefabricated archetypes they just force each game into to suit their entertaining story, reality be damned.

Not necessarily the Packers tho. Corners aside, their defense matched up pretty well with the Packers. Jennings was invisible and with Driver out Rodgers was steadily forced to go to his drop-happy WRs. That's pretty good.

Once you (wisely) realize that running against that front is suicide, yeah, you have great matchups. You don't even need to pretend to run it against the Steelers. Empty backfield, spread 'em out and shred em.
I was wrong about McFadden, but his backup did a pretty good job of getting toasted in his place.
And for the lack of running, all those drops, to come away with only 3 sacks and no turnovers didn't help Pitt.

You think the '01 Patriots were better than the '01 Rams?

No, that's a different question. I think the Rams were better than the Pats, the Pats better than the Giants years back and damn better than the Jets this year, and you better believe I think the Seahawks were better than the Steelers in '05. But that's just a random opinion no one cares about.

It's like Rex says, you only need to be better for that one game.

I don't think the Pats are better than the Jets either. On a squad level, the Jets have better talent everywhere except TE and QB. And playoff coaching.

For the most part yes. But not the best. The lack of rungame was mostly on the defenses playing well, but I don't know how much I can credit the defense for all of those dropped passes and Ben's bad day (which is surely for a good chunk on the defense, but not all of it. Their O-line held up well).

Did the Packers run it a dozen times, even including the clock killing at the end? To their credit, running was not in the gameplan.
Roethilsberger is generally a mediocre QB statistically. Expected more from him on that last drive though.

*scratches head*

See, an' here I thought I was a Packer fan who's been watching #38 for a couple years. Only time I've seen him do something like that. So that makes him suck? Riiiight. If you were a superhero your only power would be that of intense hyperbole.

Dude, stop. I'm not slagging his career as a CB. I'm just pointing out he was a real bonehead on that ST play.

And shit, if you were a super hero you'd be Foul Spoutie Poopie Joke man, my kids would love you. But they're young enough for the fecal fixation to be justified.

I figure that was mainly Fox's presentation though.

I'm not a fan of any Fox sports coverage. That stadium tells it's own story, and they never capitalize on things like that.
Joe Buck is just a tool.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Dude, stop. I'm not slagging his career as a CB. I'm just pointing out he was a real bonehead on that ST play.

Stop back-peddling you little girl. You made a dumb, useless comment about something which had no relevance. Take your fucking dick out of your own mouth for one fucking second of your life. Please.

And shit, if you were a super hero you'd be Foul Spoutie Poopie Joke man, my kids would love you. But they're young enough for the fecal fixation to be justified.

Dude. Really? This is one of the sloppiest/laziest comebacks I've ever fucking seen. Jesus fuck, man. That shirt-tuck must be giving you cancer or something.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Charming.

Who's backpedalling? I'll repeat myself for the 4th time for your benefit since you're all sensitive and harping on it:

Nice corner, but he put the special in special teams.

Dead-ball foul punching someone in the facemask in a championship game is dumb. Facemasks aren't exactly a smart target if you're looking to punch someone anyway, you'll only hurt yourself.
Only posturing phony tough guys punch people in the helmet, they don't really want to fight. You're supposed to get the helmet off before you punch them in the head.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

You don't get it. I posted an image of a shirt which celebrated William's ability as corner. Your dick, as always, was firmly placed in your own mouth...and you had to piss on my post. Then when I seemed stunned that 2 plays (one of which wasn't his fault) in an entire career could make you a shitty ST player, you started bawwwing about god knows what else. It's hard to tell what somebody's saying when their dick is in their mouth.

Maybe what you meant was "Nice corner, but he put the special in special teams LAST NIGHT", though that would still be a stupid statement seeing as how one dumb move doesn't define a player's entire evening.

Try making sense. And take that thing out your mouth.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

You're too touchy. I've done nothing but heap praise and adulation at the feet of the Packers, I point out one dude made a bad special teams play (preceded by a compliment) and I'm 'pissing all over you' and something obsessively repetitive about my genitals. Williams is a good CB in his own right, he deserves his own gimmick. I'm pissing on you by not saying he didn't play a perfect game? Who did?

Farrior had a dumb penalty, he was so far offsides he was almost unabated on that 3rd down stunt. Stupid mistake.
Komeatu (sp?) had a dumb clipping penalty - right in front of the ref - stupid.
Pitt player got a dumb dead-ball foul too for pushing some Packer to the turf after the play. Stupid penalties for a veteran team in the biggest of all games
Does that make you feel better?

Stop being so thin skinned and get your Tourette's 'script refilled bra. Now that your team is 'the man', after that warm glow of you winning over a serial date-rapist wears off, the other 31 cities are going to be cheering for you to be humiliated. Get used to it.

 

[Brother None]

Nah man, you gotta win a few before absolutely everyone hates you.

I kind of doubt that's what drives Rodgers anyway.

No idea why it would. He's driven to be great like most good-to-great players are. Stories are nice but many athletes don't need that much extra motivation.

I was wrong about McFadden, but his backup did a pretty good job of getting toasted in his place.

William Gay and McFadden were on Jordy Nelson. Who did what, 9 catches for 140 yards and a TD? Neither one did a particularly good job. They did force Aaron to look off Jennings a lot but the Steelers secondary performed as they usually do when there's not much pressure on the quarterback.

I don't think the Pats are better than the Jets either. On a squad level, the Jets have better talent everywhere except TE and QB. And playoff coaching.

Maybe, but QB is a big deal, especially when the gap is from Tom Brady to Mark Sanchez. Sanchez pretty much hamstrings that entire offense.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

obsessively repetitive about my genitals

It's a metaphor, numbskull.

Does that make you feel better?

What? No.

Stop being so thin skinned

Wondering where the stupid shit you come up with comes from is not synonymous with the thickness of my skin. The very first football post you made which I read was about how weak the NFC was. Typical fanboy hyperbolic nonsense. That year the Packers dominated, the 'Boys were solid and the Giants came out of nowhere. Then shortly after came the Vikings, the Saints, etc, etc, etc. That was your first post I'd ever read and the stupid shit hasn't stopped since then. You're so pleased with how right you think you constantly are, or how much history you think you know will predict the future that it's like you're constantly fellating yourself.

It'd just be nice if for once you didn't resemble a living youtube comment.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Nah man, you gotta win a few before absolutely everyone hates you.

Who's won more than the Packers?
They are the NY Yankees, the Boston Celtics, the Montreal Canadiens of the NFL.

I was wrong about McFadden, but his backup did a pretty good job of getting toasted in his place.

William Gay and McFadden were on Jordy Nelson. Who did what, 9 catches for 140 yards and a TD? Neither one did a particularly good job. They did force Aaron to look off Jennings a lot but the Steelers secondary performed as they usually do when there's not

much pressure on the quarterback.
I thought McFadden was out, didn't notice him at all, but
If Nelson didn't have so many drops he could've cracked 2 bills.
But yeah, all the talk about Harrison, outside of the INT TD vs. AZ, he's not really a big game pass rusher. Woodley awfully quiet too. Polamalu injured? When does the luster wear of LeBeau's rose?
For all those dropbacks, I expected more sacks from that D. No turnovers. Packers were smart, you don't play street-fight power-ball with the Steelers, that's not how you beat them.

Maybe, but QB is a big deal, especially when the gap is from Tom Brady to Mark Sanchez. Sanchez pretty much hamstrings that entire offense.

Best playoff road QB evar!

The very first football post you made which I read was about how weak the NFC was. Typical fanboy hyperbolic nonsense. That year the Packers dominated, the 'Boys were solid and the Giants came out of nowhere. Then shortly after came the Vikings, the Saints, etc, etc, etc.

Where's the consistency there? I still think the AFC's best are better than the NFC's best. Like BN says 3 Steelers, 4 Pats, 2 COlts SB appearances in the last decade. Those are 3 strong franchises that are in the mix every year.

 

[Brother None]

Who's won more than the Packers?

Winning a bunch of NFL championships from before when anyone cared about the sport isn't going to build up much resentment. If you want to hate a winner the Steelers are still a more likely target.

I thought McFadden was out

No. But he went out for most of the game with some injury (don't know what). He was in in the 1st Q and sporadically late in the game.

I don't think the Pats are better than the Jets either

Almost forgot

Right now they're not even the best team in their division

In a QB driven league, how can you possibly say this? The NFL is not a league where defensive teams can win anymore. #1 defense in the league is a joke now, because even mediocre teams can pass all over everyone. This isn't the 2000 Ravens or the '85 Bears, the new Arena League rules preclude any defensive team from ever being that good again.

Where's the consistency there? I still think the AFC's best are better than the NFC's best.

Consistency? Who cares? AFC's best better than NFC's best? If you say so. They seem to lose quite a bit for the best. That's also not what Twinkie was talking about though, he claims you said AFC > NFC as a whole. I seem to remember the same but can't be arsed to dig it up.

I know you enjoy all this trolling but Twinkie is right in that it's become a bit farcical. But I don't mind, for one, even if Twinks does.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Winning a bunch of NFL championships from before when anyone cared about the sport isn't going to build up much resentment. If you want to hate a winner the Steelers are still a more likely target.

I'd love to know which one of my orifices I'd be accused of violating if I said that. But I'm the troll, right?

I don't think the Pats are better than the Jets either

Almost forgot

Right now they're not even the best team in their division

In a QB driven league, how can you possibly say this? The NFL is not a league where defensive teams can win anymore. #1 defense in the league is a joke now, because even mediocre teams can pass all over everyone. This isn't the 2000 Ravens or the '85 Bears, the new Arena League rules preclude any defensive team from ever being that good again.

What a difference a year makes!
In that time the Jets went on probably the biggest free agent spending spree ever bringing in Braylon Edwards, SB MVP Santonio Holmes, Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, Cromartie et al. Got Jenkins back.
In that same time the Patriots signed one free agent blocking TE, traded Moss, had Welker hobbled, Pro-bowl kicker out, #1 corner out, Ty Warren out etc. etc. Mankins hold out, and granted a pretty good draft.
Pats did still won more games and the division...
If I were able to predict all that maybe I would think otherwise,
Rex Ryan and Sanchez are turning out to be better than I had ever thought possible too, especially against the Pats. 2-1 against them, and 1-0 when it mattered.

#1 Defense still doesn't mean what it used to, the rules preclude that level of dominance. Frankly I was glad to see defensive teams like the Packers, Bears, Jets and Steelers in the Final Four. Rather than indoor dome teams.

Consistency? Who cares? AFC's best better than NFC's best? If you say so. They seem to lose quite a bit for the best. That's also not what Twinkie was talking about though, he claims you said AFC > NFC as a whole. I seem to remember the same but can't be arsed to dig it up.

I can't find that stats, but I'm pretty sure the AFC has had a better out of conference record than the NFC overall over the last 10 years. DO you know otherwise. Still better in SBs too, but one game a year isn't exactly a great sample size.

I know you enjoy all this trolling but Twinkie is right in that it's become a bit farcical. But I don't mind, for one, even if Twinks does.

Maybe you could get him to stop talking about my dick. It's kind of skeeving me out.