NFL 2010

The best playoff team is the one that wins the Super Bowl, yes? Not the one that has the highest #1 seed. The Patriots are not the best playoff team this year. The Seattle Seahawks are not the worst, as they did not go one and out.

Simple logic 101 here people. Who the hell defines "worst playoff team of all time" by its regular season record? The worst playoff team of all time is some team that got blown out in the wildcard/first week of the playoffs.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Crom help us all if they win this week. SB Media week will have all the understated nuance of a Wrestlemania promo.

SB Media week is always a good time to avoid sportsmedia anyway.

Cimmerian Nights said:
I think mock drafts are kind of useless with the Patriots, they'll likely maneuver up or down from where they are anyway. My perpetual draft question is when do they trade up and target an elite prospect instead of loading up on value guys?

Maybe if the Raiders pick had been a higher one, maybe. Don't see it happening now, too much investment in a draft where such investment doesn't make sense: there are no elite OL prospects in this draft, there are elite DL-prospects but there's a lot of depth too, and the same is true for any secondary help you guys need. Who would you trade up for? A WR? Julio Jones? That'd be epic.

EDIT: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POyFvDgV2cU[/youtube]
 
Man, both these games suck(ed). Packers couldn't put away the Bears and just looked off for most of the second half, but still the Bears never really threatened them. Jets can't do shit against the Steelers.


So yeah. Steelers-Packers Super Bowl. Go Steelers!

I'd like to quote Mr. TwinkieGorilla on Oct 11th 2010

TwinkieGorilla said:
Sander said:
Yes, lots of injuries, sucks. But this is the NFL, shit turns around quickly sometimes.

you're fucking kidding, right?

When your starting running back (Ryan Grant, ankle), starting right tackle (Mark Tauscher, shoulder), starting inside linebacker (Nick Barnett, wrist), starting safety (Morgan Burnett, knee), top cover linebacker (Brandon Chillar, shoulder) and power fullback (Quinn Johnson, glute) are out to begin with, it's a critical situation.

When your quarterback (Aaron Rodgers, concussion), best offensive option (Finley, hamstring), best pass rusher (Clay Matthews, hamstring), best run stuffer (Ryan Pickett, ankle), best special teams player (Derrick Martin, ankle) and backup tight end (Donald Lee, shoulder) and linebacker (Frank Zombo, knee) all suffer injuries, it constitutes an emergency.

When you consider that Finley and Barnett could join Grant and Burnett on injured reserve, and Rodgers is going to have to pass a series of tests before he'll be cleared to play against Miami next week, it's a full-fledged crisis

season's fucking done. :roll:
 
I'll quote myself because I'm cool.

UniversalWolf said:
Sam Shields is the next Tramon Williams.

:clap:

Sure, the Packers/Bears game was ugly, but Packers/Bears games are always ugly, more so in cold weather on a crappy field.

I assume the Steelers will be slight favorites in the SB?
 
Okay so the Jets are still in this game and that boring-ass first half turned into an interesting second half. What? How? What the fuck?

EDIT: Right, that did it. Steelers-Packers it is.

Quality of offensive football today has still been shit though. But some good defense in all games.



I'm taking the Pack to win the Super Bowl. They're going to destroy that Steelers O-line, especially so if they're without Pouncey. And that Packer offense is nigh unstoppable on turf.
 
Of course not.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHtttx6P7kg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


Looks like the Packers are about 3 point favourites according to Vegas.
 
Heath Miller threw some sickening blocks out there. At one point he literally picked a DB up, folded him in half like a futon, and sat on him. :shock:

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Not that easy, is it Rex?

I love how NYC blowhards only get held to their guarantees when they win (Namath, Marc Messier, Yankees) but not when they lose (Rex, Rex, Ewing).

Sander said:
Looks like the Packers are about 3 point favourites according to Vegas.
This will probably be a pick 'em by game time. It's no secret Packers have been the sexy pick all year. Those points are gonna get bought up.

I don't see them even pretending to try to run it against the Steelers.
 
They're doing a better job with the Pro-Bowl this year. I supported moving it to the week before the SB, but I didn't like putting it in the same city and making the SB players show up for pictures. Now it's back in Hawaii where it belongs. A few guys who got snubbed are getting in, like Sander's favorite Donald Penn.

A trip to Hawaii at the end of January seems like a nice perk for being picked. I know I wouldn't mind going there right about now.

This lockout situation is not looking good.
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
We will. Trust me.
Good luck with that, they've only allowed like 55 yards a game all year. That's absurd. I'd be more worried about what Harrison does when he gets to the QB, he's not going to kiss him on the cheek like Peppers did. There is no fine that will deter any manner of devastation in a SB for that dude.
Just like Peppers, he has to take that hit, legal or not, every time. It's like taking PI to stop a sure TD, you gotta do it.

his lockout situation is not looking good.
No, it doesn't, and honestly it's entering into the realm of petty, partisan bullshit levels that are rarely seen outside of US politics, which engenders nothing but apathy in me. If those two sides can't come to an agreement fuck 'em. NFL is king, but it's not like there aren't alternatives. MLB and NHL have never recovered from their strikes fully, life went on, people moved on, and many never came back. It's this kind of petty trifling that turns me off.

Shit, they don't think college ball would jump all over that action and fill the void on Sundays? No negotiations, no hold-outs, no Drew Rosenahus, none of that bullshit. The only reason I don't watch more college ball is because there's only so much time, you take away the NFL, and I'm all about it. They don't just find these players under rocks - 99.99% of them came from college. Marshall Faulk was just as exciting to watch in college, if not more so than he was in the NFL. Barry Sanders, all those dudes, they didn't wait to get to the NFL to start playing well.

If they're dumb enough to lockout, they get what they deserve.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Good luck with that, they've only allowed like 55 yards a game all year.

62 yards. But then again, the Bears were the 2rd-ranked in run D and the Packers put 120 run yards on them in an offensive gameplan that balanced for 32 rush attempts versus 31 pass attempts. I doubt they're sweating it.

Cimmerian Nights said:
I'd be more worried about what Harrison does when he gets to the QB, he's not going to kiss him on the cheek like Peppers did.

What's with the NFL writer tone of writing, Cimms? Let's leave the "Steelers hit like REAL MEN, THEY'RE SMASHMOUTH" stuff to the professionals, eh?

UniversalWolf said:
A few guys who got snubbed are getting in, like Sander's favorite Donald Penn.

Sean Penn aside, it's a joke. There's 6 CBs who have pro bowl honors for the NFC now. Six! There's no real "honor" or "prestige" to it. I mean sure, good for em to get a holiday out of it, but from a personal award perspective it's been seriously degraded lately. And that was supposed to be its purpose, to honor individual accomplishment in a team sport.
 
Brother None said:
62 yards. But then again, the Bears were the 2rd-ranked in run D and the Packers put 120 run yards on them in an offensive gameplan that balanced for 32 rush attempts versus 31 pass attempts. I doubt they're sweating it.
I wouldn't put too much stock into what happened in the 2nd half of either of those games. Up a few TDs in Chi-town or Pitt in Jan. with the wind coming off the lake against green QBs...
Jerry is zipping that dome up, ideal for passing and Pitt 2ndary is exploitable (see every Pats/Steelers game from last 8 years).
I wouldn't trust any trend from a Bears game anyway, they're a flaky team.

Nice matchup though, these D's are like mirror images scheme-wise since Capers and LeBeau are the masters of the 3-4 zone blitz.

What's with the NFL writer tone of writing, Cimms? Let's leave the "Steelers hit like REAL MEN, THEY'RE SMASHMOUTH" stuff to the professionals, eh?
Well, I'm really only referring to Harrison, but I do have a lot of respect and admiration for the Steelers org., always have. Packers must too, I see Kevin Greene on their sidelines there. They have peerless lineage at the LB position.

Harrison is everything that's right about the NFL, undersized, undrafted, unwanted - sick fucking LB.

My all time fave Steelers LB was always Greg Loyd, who is pretty much a cartoon caricature of Harrison. That LB crew of Lloyd, Kirkland, Greene and Chad Brown was nasteee. Kirkland, wow. Never seen a linebacker like that ever. Only missed a SB by what, like 4 Neil O'Donnell INTs?
Fucking Cowboys, that Super Bowl pissed me off. SBs are so much better lately, although the teams aren't the powerhouses of old.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I wouldn't put too much stock into what happened in the 2nd half of either of those games. Up a few TDs in Chi-town or Pitt in Jan. with the wind coming off the lake against green QBs...
Jerry is zipping that dome up, ideal for passing and Pitt 2ndary is exploitable (see every Pats/Steelers game from last 8 years).

Sure, Green Bay doesn't need to run and I'm not saying they will as much. I'm just saying they have no reason to be scared to run either.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Harrison is everything that's right about the NFL (...) undrafted

The fuck does it matter if a player went undrafted?
(other in value evaluation for the franchise)
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I wouldn't put too much stock into what happened in the 2nd half of either of those games. Up a few TDs in Chi-town or Pitt in Jan. with the wind coming off the lake against green QBs...
Jerry is zipping that dome up, ideal for passing and Pitt 2ndary is exploitable (see every Pats/Steelers game from last 8 years).
I wouldn't trust any trend from a Bears game anyway, they're a flaky team.

Nice matchup though, these D's are like mirror images scheme-wise since Capers and LeBeau are the masters of the 3-4 zone blitz.
Capers is a lot more creative than LeBeau right now, though. Schematically, that D is awesome. The Steelers run more straight stuff than the Packers do right now.
Cimmie said:
My all time fave Steelers LB was always Greg Loyd, who is pretty much a cartoon caricature of Harrison.
Greg Lloyd is actually an assistant LB coach for the Bucs now. And his son has declared for the draft, though the two of them are supposedly estranged.
 
Brother None said:
The fuck does it matter if a player went undrafted?
(other in value evaluation for the franchise)
Sometimes when you feel slighted and disrespected, it can give you extra motivation to do well to prove people wrong. Whether the slight is real or not is inconsequential, it's funneling that and manifesting it into a giant chip on your shoulder, which Harrison has. He's all about the paranoid, persecution complex.

The best example is probably Michael Jordan, he was a master of convincing himself that he'd been wronged even when he wasn't. Then he go out and settle the imagined score, end the grudge, and most of the time humiliate. He convinced himself that he was being disrespected to get himself fired up, when he was really the bully. His HOF induction speech is like a giant f- you to people who really had little to do with him.
History is replete with examples, so I won't belabor the point - Randy Moss Vs. the Cowboys, the whole Tom Brady 6th on the depth chart at Michigan thing, a certain Bavarian art school reject...you get my point.

I think a lot of undersized, small school, undrafted guys love nothing better than to stick it to the know-it-all front offices and their overhyped golden boys. Whether that's really the way things are or not.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
I think a lot of undersized, small school, undrafted guys love nothing better than to stick it to the know-it-all front offices and their overhyped golden boys. Whether that's really the way things are or not.

Good for them, I guess, but my question was why an UDFA (succeeding) more "right about the NFL" then a 1st round pick (succeeding)?
 
Brother None said:
Good for them, I guess, but my question was why an UDFA (succeeding) more "right about the NFL" then a 1st round pick (succeeding)?
Success is success regardless of which path gets you there, and once you get there you should be judged against your peers, not your origins. I'm not about to push that Easterbrook line that UDFAs are more virtuous or pious or whatever he thinks makes them inherently better people. (I just like ornery linebackers).

However, the climb of a James Harrison type is an uphill one as opposed to say any QB named Manning, who's never had to fight for a starting job in his life, a pre-jail Vick or JaMarcus Russell, VY, Leinart who listlessly coasted through on talent with no drive or heart at all. Some people have everything handed to them in life, some raise themselves up through force of will.
I don't know man, go look up some random Steve Prefontaine quotes, I would just tend to find more qualities to admire in someone who's had to earn everything they've got over someone who's given every advantage in life and pisses it away. (Not letting Harrison babysit my kids though).

UDFA success also speaks to failures in the scouting and development process too, but that makes for less entertaining narrative and opportunities to preach about middle-American Christain values from Easterbrook.

Jeff Fisher out in Tennesse? hmmm. What's up with these wacky, old AFL owners? Just hire a GM and a coach and sit in your luxury box and enjoy the ride, stop meddling.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Success is success regardless of which path gets you there, and once you get there you should be judged against your peers, not your origins. I'm not about to push that Easterbrook line that UDFAs are more virtuous or pious or whatever he thinks makes them inherently better people. (I just like ornery linebackers).

Cool. That's what I was curious about.

Cimmerian Nights said:
However, the climb of a James Harrison type is an uphill one as opposed to say any QB named Manning, who's never had to fight for a starting job in his life, a pre-jail Vick or JaMarcus Russell, VY, Leinart who listlessly coasted through on talent with no drive or heart at all. Some people have everything handed to them in life, some raise themselves up through force of will.

I know, I know, it's instinctual to hate people born with a silver spoon in their mouth, but y'know. It is what it is.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Jeff Fisher out in Tennesse? hmmm. What's up with these wacky, old AFL owners? Just hire a GM and a coach and sit in your luxury box and enjoy the ride, stop meddling.

Jeff Fisher always kind of protected Bud Adams from his own retardedness because make no mistake, Bud Adams is up there with Ford and Davis in sheer mindnumbing retardedness.

Titans fans seem to be happy about it but they're idiots. Fuck the Titans.
(my least favourite franchise in the NFL for fully arbitrary reasons)

Also Vince Young is still on the outs.

Speaking of outs, Pouncey isn't playing. Steelers line goes from mediocre to p bad and BJ Raji should have tons of fun. Go Pack!
 
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