NMA: Fallout 3 impressions

If you really think I am going to try to convince you, you are wrong.As I said, whatever floats your boat. I love the game. You hate it. Whatever.

I Am just glad it sold well and Bethesda will make a sequel (of course I hope they will improve it a LOT, hopefully in the writing and balancing department).

But since even most NMA staffers found something good about the game, and since even Vince (who I regard as The Man when it comes to RPGs) considers Fallout 3 to be a good game (even if not as a Fallout sequel) , that is good enough for me.But not everyone can, or should, like it.
 
Paul_cz said:
Hey, whatever floats your boat.

I like most of those games you posted, just as I like Fallout 3. How about you stop trying to convince me not to like it, huh? I spent there 45 hours already and loved most of them.
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Now you're just being antagonistic.

It's fine if you like it and he doesn't and both of you can live with it, no problem. But he asked you a legitimate, specific question. If you don't feel like answering it, just say "I don't feel like answering it", instead of bringing in this nonsense of "to each his own", which is fine as a general philosophy but is just not related to Ranne's specific question.
 
I just realized that it was you (edit: Paul_cz, not BN) who posted this earlier:

Paul_cz said:
"NPCs completely ignoring continuous BB gun face shots, unequivocally retarded G.O.A.T questions, absolutely horrible character animations, ridiculously bad collision detection, bland environments, bad textures..
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everything here is true, and yet somehow I have fun with that game : ).
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Well, I didn't answer you back then, but - since we're at it again - I'd say that I don't consider any form of

"the game is crap but I happen to enjoy playing with feces"

to be a particularly worthy argument, especially in an analytical discussion such as this.
 
Oh man, do you really equal what I wrote up there to this - "the game is crap but I happen to enjoy playing with feces" ?

Maybe I don't care that much about GOAT, which lasts for 5 minutes, or animations, which are bad but not game breaking (for me, cause I don't play my RPGs for their animations, plus I use 3rd person only when I want to see my avatar, not for actual playing), I don't care about collision detection, bad textures...

I don't agree on bland environments (so I should have written almost everything), I like how the wasteland, Megaton, Rivet City and other places look like.

Most of all, I just enjoyed wandering around that wasteland, fullfilling one quest, got distracted by something else (like another Vault, or Corvega factory, or Arefu), doing something there, then getting back...I enjoyed reading those terminals, hacking computers, upgrading my character...I could go on and on.

But I know I will not convince you and I don't care, but the game is NOT crap and I don't particularly enjoy playing with feces.Sorry.
 
Je ne sais quoi it is then. It doesn't really explain what is so great about this supposedly "great game", but I'm glad that that you found some sort of appeal in it. I even wish my own perception of Fallout 3 weren't so predominantly negative, but I'm afraid I'd have to undergo a lobotomy to change this one.
 
Paul_cz, look at this from another point of view:

The game IS flawed, seriously. You admitted that dialogues are bad. YOU may enjoy it, fine. But when so many people point out so many flaws, when you KNOW the game just isn't right...can you honestly judge the game great ONLY because YOU like it? Try to be fair - I know I am.
 
Oh come now, he pointed out exactly what he likes with the game and the only thing that this or Oblivion was any good at, being a wandering simulator.
 
Ranne said:
I'm glad that that you found some sort of appeal in it. I even wish my own perception of Fallout 3 weren't so predominantly negative, but I'm afraid I'd have to undergo a lobotomy to change this one.
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I am glad you are glad for me. Yes, me and Vince and all the other people (probably well over million) underwent lobotomy. Or not.

Ravager69 said:
The game IS flawed, seriously. You admitted that dialogues are bad. YOU may enjoy it, fine. But when so many people point out so many flaws, when you KNOW the game just isn't right...can you honestly judge the game great ONLY because YOU like it? Try to be fair - I know I am.
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Wow : ).Yes, I admitted SOME of the dialogues are bad. Some are mediocre, some are good (please don't ask me for examples).But I am not native english speaker, so I guess I am more tolerant when it comes to dialogues. I had no problems with dialogue in The Witcher, where just about everyone else complained.When it comes to flaws - if the positives outweigh negatives ("flaws"), I like the game. In Fallout 3 case, they do, by large margin.But the flaws are there,yes. But then again, a lot of them will be fixed by mods, at least - and the game will be even better.

There is nothing like being fair. Taste in games, music, movies and just about everything is always subjective. I like it and think it is great.And I am not the only one, so...what the hell did you mean up there?

UncannyGarlic said:
Oh come now, he pointed out exactly what he likes with the game and the only thing that this or Oblivion was any good at, being a wandering simulator.
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Not really. Some of the quests are very good also. And those that aren't as good are still entertaining. I also enjoyed combat (in VATS, that is). And there is still some C&C, even though it could be much better in this department.
 
UncannyGarlic said:
Oh come now, he pointed out exactly what he likes with the game and the only thing that this or Oblivion was any good at, being a wandering simulator.
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If I recall my 2006 experiences correctly, it took me about 15 minutes to run from one end of Oblivion to another. Considering that Fallout 3 is smaller in size and that it doesn't really have the environmental diversity of its predecessor, I'm not even able to agree to this point. Oblivion had about 10 weather types (about 50 with Natural Environments) and differently looking climatic zones full of lush vegetation obscuring the player's view. Fallout 3 seems to have about 3 rather similarly looking cloud types, no forms of precipitation, and an immediately viewable wandering field that is filled with

1) hundreds of identically looking rocks
2) about 4 types of grass
3) about 4 types of dead trees that all look like broomsticks
4) dozens of similarly looking desolated houses
5) roughly 10 types of bad looking monsters and raiders all sharing a single not-so-intelligent AI
6) discarded and mostly unusable objects (couches, broken cellphones and dirty teddy bears come to mind)

This is why I compared it to a garbage dump in the first place. Say what you want about Oblivion, but I doubt it had a similar effect on people.

Yes, me and Vince and all the other people (probably well over million) underwent lobotomy.
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Appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy. Besides, about 58,000,000 of American adults voted for Senator McCain a week ago. Assuming that at least some of them were lobotomized at one point of their life seems to the only way give some sort of rationale to their otherwise injudicious actions...

Taste in games, music, movies and just about everything is always subjective.
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Naturally. That's why we have music, film and literary criticism. You may be entitled to your personal views, but as soon as you open up and share them with other individuals, your taste becomes a sociological construct that can be evaluated by others in a perfectly objective fashion. I think one can safely say that J.K. Rowling is not as good of a writer as W. Shakespeare, don't you?


P.S. I kid the McCain voters, of course.
 
If you run from one corner of the map to the other does not mean you have seen everything. I have seen barely half of the map and did barely half of the quests in those 45 hours I played it.

But...whatever. I am too tired...going to bed.So I give up. I hope you have that warm fuzzy feeling.I on the other hand have a great Fallout game.
 
Someone should review "Fallout 3" purely as a Fallout sequel, without reference to Bethesda's other games.

Actually, I might be a good candidate for that, since I've never played any of Bethesda's other games.
 
heh, i just read the armor page and saw this and couldnt help it:

Lincoln's Hat
Damage Resistance: 1
Weight: 1
Durability: 50 Speech: +5
Intelligence: +1
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great, a thinking hat. do you have to mash a fruit on it to make it work?
 
Ravager69 said:
Paul_cz, look at this from another point of view:

The game IS flawed, seriously. You admitted that dialogues are bad. YOU may enjoy it, fine. But when so many people point out so many flaws, when you KNOW the game just isn't right...can you honestly judge the game great ONLY because YOU like it? Try to be fair - I know I am.
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So many people however enjoy this game. You know there is a divide in opinion as that is the catalyst for the majority of discussions here. If Paul_cz enjoys the game and has fun playing it for over 45 hours then why shouldn't he judge the game great. Surely you are not suggesting that he change his opinion and fall in line with your view just because you are not happy.

He was asked why he enjoyed the game. He gave his reasons. Others didn't agree with him. The 'argument' is timeless.

Also, using words in capitals DOES NOT mean that YOUR opinions will carry ANY extra gravitas :o shocker I know.
 
Good read and good job guys.

And heres a Fun Fact! I just found 2 min ago:
I had a looksie in a Walkthrough for Fallout 3 and found something interesting.
There are 9 Fatman weapons ingame and 71 locations for finding Fatman ammo. That coupled with the initial 8 you find for dealing with the first Behemoth. Also, I do belive there is a Fatman loaded in each of the 9 weapons (unless my memory is playing silly buggers with me). That adds up to a hell of alot of Fatman ammo.

"Very, very rare" my buttocks.
RPG Codex needs to do another "What Beth Dev lied the most" article again in regards to F3. That would be an entertaining read. :twisted:
 
Westbend said:
RPG Codex needs to do another "What Beth Dev lied the most" article again in regards to F3. That would be an entertaining read. :twisted:
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hehe, i'd like to see that too!

Emil (paraphrased): "we're really trying to focus on those "grey" areas, you know?"



errr....like blow up or don't blow up? good job on that one.
 
Westbend said:
Good read and good job guys.

And heres a Fun Fact! I just found 2 min ago:
I had a looksie in a Walkthrough for Fallout 3 and found something interesting.
There are 9 Fatman weapons ingame and 71 locations for finding Fatman ammo. That coupled with the initial 8 you find for dealing with the first Behemoth. Also, I do belive there is a Fatman loaded in each of the 9 weapons (unless my memory is playing silly buggers with me). That adds up to a hell of alot of Fatman ammo.

"Very, very rare" my buttocks.
RPG Codex needs to do another "What Beth Dev lied the most" article again in regards to F3. That would be an entertaining read. :twisted:
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That's just insane. 71 locations? 71!?!?!

How is that considered "rare"?
 
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