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[Bradylama]

The primary source of the rumour in the PC Gamer magazine was the "art room" of Bethesda Studios.

When Kharn comes around and says we don't post rumours that aren't derived from a "primary source," that implies to me that it means we won't post anything unless we have our own contacts or access to inside information.

we can't really afford to post speculation, unfounded and unconfirmed rumors as news as that would also give Beths PR department the excuse to say that we are unprofessional and that therefore our opinions don't matter.

Who gives a fuck? We're a fan community, not the goddamn Associated Press. We certainly don't "report" like the Associated Press, so whatever "journalistic integrity" we possess won't mean doodoo squat until Bethesda releases any actual information on the project. In the meantime, people who used to come to this site in order to get Fallout-related news stop coming because we can't post anything that doesn't have a "sliver of truth to them." What the Hell does that even mean? Does it mean that a rumour requires a statement posted previously which gives it plausibility? We've already gotten statements which hint that Fallout 3 will essentially be Oblivion-with-guns, what else do we honestly require?

No, though. We should quake in our boots at the notion that Bethesda's PR Department, a corporate wing which equates among all industries as the metaphorical propaganda ministry, should imply that we can't be trusted. In what? A press release? They're going to attack us on other internet pretend-journalist sites or major publications? A mouthpiece whose lies could only be believed by the borderline retarded ESF forum members, and the pre-mentioned major publications which have systematically lost any of the credibility they built up for themselves in the 90's? Don't tell me the difference between VD and Desslock's rumour being printed in PC Gamer, after he had already published that dubious article in which he claimed Oblivion hadn't been "dumbed down" because it had more stuff. An article which more than likely was what secured him access to Bethesda Studios in the first place, and granted him that "accidental peek" at the art room; and no, a goddamn coffee mug is not the "sliver of truth" which gives Desslock's rumour anymore credence than VD's.

What "journalistic integrity" stops us from posting rumours from a source which we supposedly trust (VD) as rumours?

Apparently it's the hyperbole-laden bullshit used in this thread and others as a half-assed attempt to try and debunk the notion that we should post a rumour from a source we supposedly trust.

Or is it that we can't post rumours without compromising the source? Is that the "sliver of truth" required?

The difference between the Inquirer and this hypothetical situation, is that the Inquirer posts rumours as fact, and while the readers of the Inquirer may understand them as rumours, the way the Inquirer presents them they might as well be the Gospel Truth laid down from Jesus Christ the Lord Our Saviour himself.

Nevermind that if the rumours we post as rumours don't turn out to be true, that it means we lack "professionalism." Nevermind that if the affects of those rumours encourage Bethesda to alter the fundamental game design, then the end result is ultimately a positive one for the fandom. Nevermind that if their PR mouthpiece attempted to disspel the rumours, and they turned out to be true, that it's Bethesda which has lost its credibility. Yet if the rumours we post as rumours were never right, then what have we lost? Our normal readers? The Fallout community? The ESF forums?

There is no "war of credibility" that can be realistically waged, considering that the only war being propagated is the one by Bethesda against the Fallout fan communities.

Sucking their dicks isn't going to get us anymore information on the project, considering their refusal to contact fan communities as a policy. Bethesda employees aren't allowed to post on RPGcodex, because God forbid, they've called them on their bullshit.

We shouldn't be playing pretend-journalist, we should be revealing any kind of information on the new Fallout project within reason.

 

[Brother None]

When Kharn comes around and says we don't post rumours that aren't derived from a "primary source," that implies to me that it means we won't post anything unless we have our own contacts or access to inside information.

'k, feel free to feel implied, but that's not what I meant.

"comes around"?

Who gives a fuck?

I do.

We're a fan community, not the goddamn Associated Press. We certainly don't "report" like the Associated Press, so whatever "journalistic integrity" we possess won't mean doodoo squat until Bethesda releases any actual information on the project.

Yes, and when we happily fill our site with unfounded crap we marginalize ourselves for Bethesda sake. Did you read Briosa's post?

In the meantime, people who used to come to this site in order to get Fallout-related news stop coming because we can't post anything that doesn't have a "sliver of truth to them." What the Hell does that even mean? Does it mean that a rumour requires a statement posted previously which gives it plausibility? We've already gotten statements which hint that Fallout 3 will essentially be Oblivion-with-guns, what else do we honestly require?

Those statements have been covered in the news at the time when they were made, what do you want, for us to post them again? Why?

Also, you're acting as if reliable Fallout rumours are floating about. They're not. Rosh hinted at some knowledge floating about that he could've posted on at any time, but other than that (rather small and one-time) rumour, I'm not sure what rumours you'd be referring to?

We're not going to make up news to keep Fallout fans entertained.

Also, check our usernumbers, we've been steadily going up (though obviously this month has been skewed by server-trouble) for over a year now.

Don't tell me the difference between VD and Desslock's rumour being printed in PC Gamer, after he had already published that dubious article in which he claimed Oblivion hadn't been "dumbed down" because it had more stuff. An article which more than likely was what secured him access to Bethesda Studios in the first place, and granted him that "accidental peek" at the art room; and no, a goddamn coffee mug is not the "sliver of truth" which gives Desslock's rumour anymore credence than VD's.

How so?

What "journalistic integrity" stops us from posting rumours from a source which we supposedly trust (VD) as rumours?

I don't know. Ask Rosh, he didn't post them.

Apparently it's the hyperbole-laden bullshit used in this thread and others as a half-assed attempt to try and debunk the notion that we should post a rumour from a source we supposedly trust.

My personal trust doesn't factor into it. Notice I have talked with VD about these rumours and he didn't seem particularly upset that we didn't keep the ball rolling rumourside.

Or is it that we can't post rumours without compromising the source? Is that the "sliver of truth" required?

Yes, very clever.

Nevermind that if the rumours we post as rumours don't turn out to be true, that it means we lack "professionalism." Nevermind that if the affects of those rumours encourage Bethesda to alter the fundamental game design, then the end result is ultimately a positive one for the fandom. Nevermind that if their PR mouthpiece attempted to disspel the rumours, and they turned out to be true, that it's Bethesda which has lost its credibility. Yet if the rumours we post as rumours were never right, then what have we lost? Our normal readers? The Fallout community? The ESF forums?

Again with the plural. What "rumours"?

There is no "war of credibility" that can be realistically waged, considering that the only war being propagated is the one by Bethesda against the Fallout fan communities.

Yes, a war in which you want us to play into their hands, apparently.

Sucking their dicks isn't going to get us anymore information on the project

Are you serious? Have you been paying attention or just reading Rosh's posts?

considering their refusal to contact fan communities as a policy. Bethesda employees aren't allowed to post on RPGcodex, because God forbid, they've called them on their bullshit.

As shall we, but note that the Codex didn't call them on their bullshit based on rumours.

Pssst, here's a public secret for you, Brady, that blacklist the Codex is on? NMA is on it too.

We shouldn't be playing pretend-journalist, we should be revealing any kind of information on the new Fallout project within reason.

Ok, please provide said any kind of information, because guess what, I DON'T FUCKING SEE IT.

 

[Bradylama]

Yeah, usernames have gone up. Apparently you've forgotten the Codex drama you started with VD where it was demonstrated for you why usernames aren't any indicator of readership. You don't need a forums account to read the front page news, and simply having an account does not mean that one is active.

'k, feel free to feel implied, but that's not what I meant.

Then, uh, what did you mean?

I do.

And what brilliant quote-war reasoning you have.

Yes, and when we happily fill our site with unfounded crap we marginalize ourselves for Bethesda sake. Did you read Briosa's post?

It seemed to imply to me that Bethesda is hiding in the shadows ready to scoop us up like the waiting Jew hook-nosed and ready to discredit us in the eyes of munchkins and hacks, when the people we are trying to reach aren't people who inherently trust Bethesda, but Fallout Fans.

Being a "reliable source of news" isn't going to make Bethesda want to give us anymore information than they haven't. The reason the support structure that existed with Interplay doesn't with Bethesda is because they don't want to talk to us. They don't want to talk to us because the word of mouth we've generated on the Tactics and especially Brotherhood of Steel projects killed interest in them, not because a few rumours we posted turned out not to be true.

The reason Desslock was able to secure access to Bethesda studios is because he wrote an article that favored them. This implies to Bethesda that they can trust him not to say anything negative about the company so he can "get a scoop," which was essentially his later op/ed column, in which the only real information contained therein was the possibility that Fallout 3 will be set in the East Coast.

It's not just us. Bethesda isn't releasing any information on the project, even to major publications because they know that communities like DAC, the Codex, and us are going to report on it and generate that word of mouth.

Rumours by their very nature aren't supposed to be "reliable." They can only be relatively believable depending on the source or their inherent plausibility. The statements which provide that plausibility are already floating around in the aether, and don't require re-posting, unless the newsposter feels they're necessary in order to make the rumour more believeable to Neophytes.

There is a rumour we could be reporting on. Apparently it's the information that VD has, and has given in the past, but what you're telling me is that we can't post on it because that violates our "journalistic integrity" and discourages Bethesda from giving us info they never will.

The impression I got from Rosh was that he wouldn't post those rumours because he didn't trust you with them, and I can't report on any rumours in the first place because I don't have sources inside Bethesda to begin with, I haven't been talking to VD about the information he does have, and because now that you're saying we can't post rumours, I couldn't post his information if I had it because there's no guarantee that the thread wouldn't be vatted.

We should be posting rumours because it's what keeps readers interested in the project instead of not coming back to this site for months at a time.

 

[Per]

If we become "go here for information" and someone else hogs "go here for titillation", I'll be perfectly happy.

The impression I got from Rosh was that he wouldn't post those rumours because he didn't trust you with them

That doesn't make any kind of sense. How can you blame anyone but Rosh for not posting things he didn't think anyone else was worthy of knowing?

 

[Odin]

The impression I got from Rosh was that he wouldn't post those rumours because he didn't trust you with them

Thanks for giving me a chuckle

Seriously, Rosh said he didnt post ze inzide info because it might ruin someones job afaik, which is always the blade one balances when you get inside info. Who said we here at NMA told you everything

 

[welsh]

Well... to be honest, this is a matter of secrets and sometimes secrets need to be kept.

 

[Bradylama]

That doesn't make any kind of sense. How can you blame anyone but Rosh for not posting things he didn't think anyone else was worthy of knowing?

I wasn't really blaming anybody else.

Addendum: I don't think perhaps enough reasoning has been provided in the case of VD. If VD thinks his information would compromise his contact(s), and this is the reason that he isn't distraught (which I never implied) about his information not being posted then I suppose there aren't really any rumours worth reporting, unless it's too general to really expose any one person in Bethesda's team.

 

[Briosafreak]

Who gives a fuck? We're a fan community, not the goddamn Associated Press.

I'm sorry for trying to setup good solid standards for info. I'm sorry for us to try to do more than average X-Brick kid posting rumours on the web. I'm sorry for not falling in the traps of the gaming sites that gave five stars or 100% scores to Oblivion based in a four hour run of the game, in the computers of Bethesda, coached by Bethesda devs (yeah, it happened a lot).

Yeah I´m really sorry for not defending mediocrity in the service NMA provides for the fans. Good luck to your gaming reporter career in the mainstream gaming sites, you'll fit right in.

Nevermind that if the affects of those rumours encourage Bethesda to alter the fundamental game design, then the end result is ultimately a positive one for the fandom.

Oh yeah they really are going to alter anything based on rumours we post. You're really that naive or just dumb? In any case I'm sorry to have helped in convincing people to give you a spot on the NMA news.

There is no "war of credibility" that can be realistically waged, considering that the only war being propagated is the one by Bethesda against the Fallout fan communities.

You have been around for some time, you should know better.

Sucking their dicks isn't going to get us anymore information on the project

I really really hope you are not saying that's what we are doing. I really do. That would really piss me off this time. I'm serious, I hope you aren't saying that.

 

[Brother None]

Yeah, usernames have gone up. Apparently you've forgotten the Codex drama you started with VD where it was demonstrated for you why usernames aren't any indicator of readership. You don't need a forums account to read the front page news, and simply having an account does not mean that one is active.

I was referring to out frontpage's unique hits, not our forum usercount.

Also, that drama wasn't that big a deal. At least me and VD moved on long since. Rosh might not have, knowing him.

Then, uh, what did you mean?

Lots of things and nothing at all. The most important thing to keep in mind I mentioned above, though; there's a difference between starting a rumour with looking for any kind of confirmation yourself or propagating one another site started.

Also, I never claimed "we only post", I said "we *don't* post" unsubstantiated secondhand rumours. Big difference.

And what brilliant quote-war reasoning you have.

Oh, was that a rhetorical question?

It seemed to imply to me that Bethesda is hiding in the shadows ready to scoop us up like the waiting Jew hook-nosed and ready to discredit us in the eyes of munchkins and hacks, when the people we are trying to reach aren't people who inherently trust Bethesda, but Fallout Fans.

Being a "reliable source of news" isn't going to make Bethesda want to give us anymore information than they haven't.

What you say holds true, but you don't bring up anything we haven't considered yet. Going off like a bunch of loonies before any real information is released is no way to strengthen the Fallout fan position, though.

And don't think we're doing any of this to do Bethesda a favour, or that we ever considered doing so.

There is a rumour we could be reporting on. Apparently it's the information that VD has, and has given in the past, but what you're telling me is that we can't post on it because that violates our "journalistic integrity" and discourages Bethesda from giving us info they never will.

I never said the latter, where did you get that from? I mentioned above we're on Bethesda's blacklist, do you honestly think you're telling me anything I don't know?

That said, I did see VDweller's rumour when posted, and specifically remember thinking two things that kept me from posting it;
1. Rumour I can't affirm.
2. Irrelevant rumour. Basically VDweller said the game will be first person and real time.

...

Duh gypsy. The game is made on the friggin' Oblivion engine, what kind of idiot was expecting a turnbased isometric game? Jeesh, what are you guys, idiots?

The impression I got from Rosh was that he wouldn't post those rumours because he didn't trust you with them

I really hate saying this, but Rosh is full of bullshit.

Yes, he didn't post details, apparently out of mistrust. That's not abnormal, though. If you think the admins share all their contacts and info in one happy slingfest you're wrong. Anytime you share info you increase the risk of a leak. Trust usually has nothing to do with it, though it did with Rosh, which is part of the reason he has no place here.

However, Rosh is full of bullshit because of this; he knew the same details VDweller did. He could've reposted from VDweller's post or made his own newspost stating said rumours and sure as hell knew he wouldn't have to fear anyone vatting it. The fact that his whole accusation towards the rest of NMA consists of us not doing his job makes the whole story a load of crock, so take a word of advise and don't believe a letter of it. Don't believe me? I called Rosh on his bullshit on DaC. Since he doesn't have to ability to ban me there, he just up and ran for it. That works well for his credibility.

and I can't report on any rumours in the first place because I don't have sources inside Bethesda to begin with, I haven't been talking to VD about the information he does have, and because now that you're saying we can't post rumours, I couldn't post his information if I had it because there's no guarantee that the thread wouldn't be vatted.

That's not how our heirarchy works. Odin and Silencer are editors-in-chief, if you want to post a rumour you're not sure about, check with them, if they greenlight it, post it. Tadah!

Why you'd want to repost months-old rumours would be unclear, though, especially since Rosh's favourite accusation is that we just repost news everyone knows (another bullshit accusation, as pointed out above).

We should be posting rumours because it's what keeps readers interested in the project instead of not coming back to this site for months at a time.

Again, check the site's usernumbers. Our readership has been steadily increasing. Reposting rumours that're then quickly denied or ignored by the Bethesda PR station would a la "Hey, guys, we've got news!"-"Oh wait no the news was false, sorry, but we've got new news now!"

If there was more than one credible rumour floating about right now I might be more tempted to agree with you, but Bethesda's internal witchhunt has made them pretty quiet.

 

[KQX]

I called Rosh on his bullshit on DaC. Since he doesn't have to ability to ban me there, he just up and ran for it.

I just tried reading that thread in one sitting. Not exactly a wise decision. I think I'll be going to the eye doctor now.

 

[Bradylama]

I'm sorry for trying to setup good solid standards for info. I'm sorry for us to try to do more than average X-Brick kid posting rumours on the web. I'm sorry for not falling in the traps of the gaming sites that gave five stars or 100% scores to Oblivion based in a four hour run of the game, in the computers of Bethesda, coached by Bethesda devs (yeah, it happened a lot).

Yeah I´m really sorry for not defending mediocrity in the service NMA provides for the
fans. Good luck to your gaming reporter career in the mainstream gaming sites, you'll fit right in.

Now that the hyperbole and strawmen are out of the way...

Oh yeah they really are going to alter anything based on rumours we post. You're really that naive or just dumb? In any case I'm sorry to have helped in convincing people to give you a spot on the NMA news.

Oh the tragedy. By now, it's too late for them to change anything concerning the project because everything is already practically set in stone. Chances are they've probably taken care of all the voice actors, even. Thanks for focusing on a single point which has been rendered null by time concerning this instance, when what I'm arguing about concerns the policy of posting rumours themselves.

You have been around for some time, you should know better.

Yeah, I over-exaggerated. It's more like a Malthusian apocalypse, where they're leaving us info-starved.

I really really hope you are not saying that's what we are doing. I really do. That would really piss me off this time. I'm serious, I hope you aren't saying that.

Right now? No. I could see, though, that being an eventual act of desperation. I'm also confused about what acting like professional journalists (which we're not) will net us in the long run, and how, exactly, playing pretend-journalist is going to get us more info that Bethesda hasn't given us.

I was referring to out frontpage's unique hits, not our forum usercount.

Ah, ok.

there's a difference between starting a rumour with looking for any kind of confirmation yourself or propagating one another site started.

I agree wholeheartedly, but I also think that propagating rumours while effectively illustrating to the readers that they are not the Gospel Truth would help the site in the long run.

What's really important, I think, is being intellectually honest instead of journalistically strict. It also isn't worth posting a rumour, of course, if it's anything like the hyperbole that's been posted in this thread. It does need to be believeable within a realm of plausibility.

Oh, was that a rhetorical question?

No, I just think maybe you could present a more consistant argument in essay-format.

What you say holds true, but you don't bring up anything we haven't considered yet. Going off like a bunch of loonies before any real information is released is no way to strengthen the Fallout fan position, though.

But in what regards? Also, how do you define "going off like loonies." If people make reasoned arguments based on the information provided, it shouldn't matter in the long run, especially when they're made in the context knowing that said information isn't necessarily accurate.

I think at this point, Bethesda will never attempt to do anything for us, and that we should consider all options in order to limit the success of the project. Posting rumours as rumours does nothing to hurt our credibility, those rumours should only be squelched in the case that they may compromise a primary source.

That said, I did see VDweller's rumour when posted, and specifically remember thinking two things that kept me from posting it;
1. Rumour I can't affirm.
2. Irrelevant rumour. Basically VDweller said the game will be first person and real time.

...

Duh gypsy. The game is made on the friggin' Oblivion engine, what kind of idiot was expecting a turnbased isometric game? Jeesh, what are you guys, idiots?

Duhhhhhhh gee I dunno, let me stop my disconnected left arm from jacking me off, so that I can wipe the spittle from my chin to respond:

You talked with VD about the specifics. There's clearly something more to this, and if it's because he's afraid the information will compromise his contact, then tell me in a PM or something.

I really hate saying this, but Rosh is full of bullshit.

Which I considered a possibility, but I'm just telling you what I know. You're the one that brought up Rosh, after all.

Why you'd want to repost months-old rumours would be unclear, though,

I'm talking about a change of policy that would affect the site from here-on, not necessarily retroactively reposting info that's old hat.

If you're referring to whatever VD knows being months-old then be specific about it.

Again, check the site's usernumbers. Our readership has been steadily increasing. Reposting rumours that're then quickly denied or ignored by the Bethesda PR station would a la "Hey, guys, we've got news!"-"Oh wait no the news was false, sorry, but we've got new news now!"

If there was more than one credible rumour floating about right now I might be more tempted to agree with you, but Bethesda's internal witchhunt has made them pretty quiet.

Again, I'm not saying that we should just be posting any old shit. I'm also saying that presenting it as news instead of as a rumour would be intellectually dishonest, and that is what would hurt our credibility, not abjectly refusing to post them.

 

[Brother None]

Right now? No. I could see, though, that being an eventual act of desperation.

It's good that you can see that, because we can't.

I'm also confused about what acting like professional journalists (which we're not) will net us in the long run, and how, exactly, playing pretend-journalist is going to get us more info that Bethesda hasn't given us.

Hey, pay attention already, nobody but you is talking about information-gathering, which is not the same as newsposting. Bethesda isn't giving out info, how, when and where we post news will have a rough net effect of ZERO on this, whether we pretend to be journalists or LOL about a bit.

It is not what this is about.

What's really important, I think, is being intellectually honest instead of journalistically strict.

This is true, yes, but both are possible and journalistic strictness is often a prerequisite of intellectual honesty, which is exactly why journalistic standards are lacking in so much of the gaming media and fansites.

No, I just think maybe you could present a more consistant argument in essay-format.

Oh, hells no, I don't have the time nor the inclinations to go all pseudointellectual essayist.

But in what regards? Also, how do you define "going off like loonies."

If you're going to start (unfounded) rumours people are going to form opinions and biases based on said rumours, which will make them loonies the moment the rumours, inevitably, turn out untrue.

If people make reasoned arguments based on the information provided,

Rumour does not equal information you can base an argument on.

I think at this point, Bethesda will never attempt to do anything for us, and that we should consider all options in order to limit the success of the project. Posting rumours as rumours does nothing to hurt our credibility, those rumours should only be squelched in the case that they may compromise a primary source.

Fine and yes, we've thought of that also.

I think there's some confusion here in that you think we're absolutely refusing to post any and all rumours. This is obviously not the case, we just hold each to editorial standards. I'm not sure if there's any policy that needs heavy overheaving, especially since no credible rumours are forthcoming before Bethesda starts propagating info itself, as we discuss rumours case-by-case.

You talked with VD about the specifics. There's clearly something more to this, and if it's because he's afraid the information will compromise his contact, then tell me in a PM or something.

Nope, sorry, I got nothing. Well, ok, an inch more, but what did you think, that VD has shown all the secrets of Fallout 3 to me? Nah, I don't think he has them, but neither is he likely to show all or even a large part of what he does now. It's sensitive information, he has no particular reason to share it with me or, really, any NMA staff. Even if he did it wouldn't be newsposteable.

Which I considered a possibility, but I'm just telling you what I know. You're the one that brought up Rosh, after all.

Only after people kept regurgitating his opinion without any sign of individual thought.

If you're referring to whatever VD knows being months-old then be specific about it.

The VD rumours Rosh blew up about were posted months ago, yes.

 

[Bradylama]

This is true, yes, but both are possible and journalistic strictness is often a prerequisite of intellectual honesty, which is exactly why journalistic standards are lacking in so much of the gaming media and fansites.

I don't believe it has to be a prerequisite. If we don't present rumours as news, I think we've essentially maintained our integrity. Only the opposite would be true in that regard.

If you're going to start (unfounded) rumours people are going to form opinions and biases based on said rumours, which will make them loonies the moment the rumours, inevitably, turn out untrue.

Gullible maybe, but it doesn't necessarily make them loonies. If people are wrong about the project then they're simply wrong and people move on about it.

People would have to believe in them, of course, which isn't as easy to do when rumours are presented as rumours instead of truth.

Rumour does not equal information you can base an argument on.

Fair enough.

Nope, sorry, I got nothing. Well, ok, an inch more, but what did you think, that VD has shown all the secrets of Fallout 3 to me?

No, but using one aspect of the game allows one to make educated guesses about other elements. For instance, one could make the reasonable presumtion from the Desslock rumour that because the game is set in the East Coast, Bethesda is essentially attempting to distance themselves from the established canon so that they can do some stupid shit while not interfering with canon, and making their own material canon itself.

Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel were both tied to the original canon, but then they also weren't presented as sequels, which made it much easier to consider them non-canonical.

Confirming that it's real-time first-person isn't really saying much, no, but the fact that it is already dispels a lot of hopeless optimism.

I can see why it alone isn't worth reporting, though.

The VD rumours Rosh blew up about were posted months ago, yes.

Then there's nothing to report on I guess.

 

[Briosafreak]

Right now? No. I could see, though, that being an eventual act of desperation. I'm also confused about what acting like professional journalists (which we're not) will net us in the long run, and how, exactly, playing pretend-journalist is going to get us more info that Bethesda hasn't given us.

It's about giving better info in the first place. Collecting the info was already explained, you might have missed it.

Anyway giving your recent declarations of not liking NMA and not respecting the staff on RPGCodex I really don't see why you are putting so much work in this. You are going in circles about things that were already explained in this topic, so what's in it for you? It's not like you like the place or the team, so why are you wasting your time running in circles?

This was rhetorical of course, I'm more interested in the views of those that do like the place, in line with the original topic intention.


So for those that care, shouldn't we change the way the site is organised? Have a team for content, another for running the Forum, another to help the modding crews and so on?

And now that the Order is leaving for a forum of their own, is anything else worth changing in the Forum side? And who wants to help out (except Serifan and Brady) ?

 

[Serifan]

is anything else worth changing in the Forum side? And who wants to help out (except Serifan and Brady) ?

awww ok one last suggestion...how about a FOOL fourm?......J/K

Well since the order is moving along how about something like the order not as Hardcore as DAC wasteland but something along the lines of that.

 

[Zaij]

More featured articles and so on. And maybe some drives to get more regular posters on the forums. I don't think it's really more than the same 15 people over and over again with a smattering of irregular posters.

 

[Brother None]

This was rhetorical of course, I'm more interested in the views of those that do like the place, in line with the original topic intention.

No reason to discount negative views if they make sense. Brady did have some points, it just happens to be things we already considered, but that's hardly his fault.

Serifan; be surprised, if FOOL goes through, we will have a FOOL forum. Mostly to keep FOOL talk of other forums.

 

[Sander]

Well since the order is moving along how about something like the order not as Hardcore as DAC wasteland but something along the lines of that.

TO is moving? I mean, ignoring Briosa for a minute, I very much doubt any definite decisions have been made.

Also, probably not. NMA is a very different place from DAC.

 

[Bradylama]

Anyway giving your recent declarations of not liking NMA and not respecting the staff on RPGCodex I really don't see why you are putting so much work in this.

I don't know exactly where I said I didn't like NMA on the Codex. In fact, I distinctly recall defending the joint.

I know I said some snide remarks about Kharn's taste in webcomics, but you can't expect me to like everybody's personality traits, and it doesn't mean I don't respect him.

Which is honestly more than I can say for you at this point.

 

[Brother None]

I know I said some snide remarks about Kharn's taste in webcomics.

Based on the assumption that because I used Suffer as a persona for a while I love Goblins, which I don't (especially not its update schedule), but I do like it and think it has some potential.

My favourite webcomic of all time is Men in Hats, my current favourite is Sam and Fuzzy and I think Questionable Content and Wapsi Square are retarded.