How available certain types of weapons are should depend on what types of areas are in the mod or game. Is there a recently discovered storage facility? Is there a local place capable of doing reloads of common ammo types? After the apocalypse we will fight with sticks and stones should be the reality.
Old School weaponry
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Gunslinger
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Well, I doubt that it would go that far. Not to flaunt it, but there's quite a number of guns in America, even in gun-fearing California. We can't assume that a nuclear blast would disintegrate most firearms while leaving human survivors. In fact, as an inanimate object, you'd figure a gun would last since it won't have to deal with those trivialities such as nuclear fallout, starvation, etc.
But moving back on topic. In reality, the so called old-school weapons would number more than your fully-automatic submachine gun. The popularity of some weapons just dies hard. WW2 sounds oldschool to some people but we can go even further than that. Even cowboy era guns and calibers are still used today, whether its in the ridiculous sport of cowboy action shooting or in modern day hunting. The practical and ideal hunting cartridge, .30-30 Winchester, was a "cowboy caliber" and the practical and ideal rifle it was used with was the lever-action (yes, cowboy) Winchester Model 94. Revolvers will die hard due to their simplicity and thus functionability regardless of how much you disregard it. The Colt M1911 of WW1 has a stupendously large civilian market (whether the brands be Kimber, Springfield, or even Norinco) and there's a push to reinstating in the military the mean .45 ACP-shooting pistol in favor of the 9mm Beretta.
Without disgressing too further, I'm just trying to clearify the concept of what people deem "realistic". You'd need a Class III weapons license and more money to get your dirty mits on a fully-automatic weapon. Compare that to the functionality, affordability, and ease to obtain a semi-auto or "oldschool" bolt gun.
Of course, we're talking about Fallout which must be allowed its own literary license.
I remember an old WWII soldier opining on the merits of the American weapons and the German weapons. He said the German Luger pistol was incredibly accurate, but "If you so much as got one blade of grass in it, it wouldn't work right." The American M1911 .45 pistol, on the other hand, "You could find one somebody dropped in the ditch a week ago, pick it up, knock the gunk out of it, and it would still shoot". Some things are just built to last.
There's some really heavy shit running around out there. A friend of mine is a military collector. His thing is vehicles like cargo trucks (very little regulations around a simple cargo truck), but he knows people who have class III licences and some really wild weapons, like quad-mounted M2HB Browning 1/2" (50cal) machineguns, etc. Granted there's not an awful lot of this stuff, but for the sake of a game like Fallout, finding the house (bunker?) of a military collector could work as a sort of reward for the player. Perhaps it could be overrun with ghoul crazies who're too stupid to know what they're sitting on, but have to be fought off before the player could claim his prize. Or it could be mostly picked over but have a few prize items left.
There's some really heavy shit running around out there. A friend of mine is a military collector. His thing is vehicles like cargo trucks (very little regulations around a simple cargo truck), but he knows people who have class III licences and some really wild weapons, like quad-mounted M2HB Browning 1/2" (50cal) machineguns, etc. Granted there's not an awful lot of this stuff, but for the sake of a game like Fallout, finding the house (bunker?) of a military collector could work as a sort of reward for the player. Perhaps it could be overrun with ghoul crazies who're too stupid to know what they're sitting on, but have to be fought off before the player could claim his prize. Or it could be mostly picked over but have a few prize items left.
While the Luger wasn't THAT sensitive, it was much more so than the Colt M1911 due to too much of the action being exposed. Its inherent accuracy comes from the fact that the barrel is securely affixed to the frame and ony moves back and forth. More people witll recognize the Luger simply because of its shape than an M1911.
There are still quite a few WWII era weapons still in storage around and some are still produced. These are fully functional BARs, Thompsons, M1 Garands in storage, not just junk. Many other countries also have weapons stockpiles for arming their populace in case of invasion. This is where a lot of "new" Mausers are coming from now adays. They were made and put directly into storage just in case they were needed some day. Now they're hopelessly obsolute as far as the military is concerened and they're recouping some cash by selling them to civilians. Fallout definately should have had some Mausers and Enfields in it .
Weapons like the MG 42 are still being produced by various countries. I believe it's the MG 3 now and chamebred in 7.62mm NATO. Simply because the Germans lost WWII doesn't mean their designs were shit. The MG 42 was a very good weapon. In my opinion, the Germans probably had the best smallarms of the war in some areas. Weapons like the AK-47 would be around also since it was being produced around the time Fallout breaks off. Same with the FAL, G3, and Uzi designs. They wouldn't necessarily be in the same forms but they'd be around.
The main problem with having these weapons in the games is not the availability of them but of them simply wearing out. Automatic firearms are not exactly the easiest thing to keep in repair like a boltactoin rifle or revolver. Springs and other small pieces need to be replaced after so many rounds or else you risk them breaking. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't people running around with crossbows and flintlock rifles hunting for food. A .50 blackpowder rifle will still kill you just as easily as a .30 rifle will. The main difference really is in the actual firearm and not the effects. You're still dead.
- Colt
There are still quite a few WWII era weapons still in storage around and some are still produced. These are fully functional BARs, Thompsons, M1 Garands in storage, not just junk. Many other countries also have weapons stockpiles for arming their populace in case of invasion. This is where a lot of "new" Mausers are coming from now adays. They were made and put directly into storage just in case they were needed some day. Now they're hopelessly obsolute as far as the military is concerened and they're recouping some cash by selling them to civilians. Fallout definately should have had some Mausers and Enfields in it .
Weapons like the MG 42 are still being produced by various countries. I believe it's the MG 3 now and chamebred in 7.62mm NATO. Simply because the Germans lost WWII doesn't mean their designs were shit. The MG 42 was a very good weapon. In my opinion, the Germans probably had the best smallarms of the war in some areas. Weapons like the AK-47 would be around also since it was being produced around the time Fallout breaks off. Same with the FAL, G3, and Uzi designs. They wouldn't necessarily be in the same forms but they'd be around.
The main problem with having these weapons in the games is not the availability of them but of them simply wearing out. Automatic firearms are not exactly the easiest thing to keep in repair like a boltactoin rifle or revolver. Springs and other small pieces need to be replaced after so many rounds or else you risk them breaking. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't people running around with crossbows and flintlock rifles hunting for food. A .50 blackpowder rifle will still kill you just as easily as a .30 rifle will. The main difference really is in the actual firearm and not the effects. You're still dead.
- Colt
I'm also surprised at how little there was in the way of improvised/expedient weapons floating around. The pipe rifle, the Shiv you couldn't even use, the rock if you want to count that, but everything else was prewar factory-made stuff, right down to the clubs.
Black powder is easy to make, so I'd suspect that you'd see a lot of that sort of thing. Muskets and Rifled muskets (especially rifled muskets) were very adaptable weapons. Lead shells for them area easily made, so you'd expect that sort of gun to be the lowest-common-denominator type of factory-built gun floating around. Easy to work, easy to maintain, rugged as iron and cheap to keep up. Only the truly dirt poor would be stuck with zip guns and pipe rifles which are really iffy arms at best.
Black powder is easy to make, so I'd suspect that you'd see a lot of that sort of thing. Muskets and Rifled muskets (especially rifled muskets) were very adaptable weapons. Lead shells for them area easily made, so you'd expect that sort of gun to be the lowest-common-denominator type of factory-built gun floating around. Easy to work, easy to maintain, rugged as iron and cheap to keep up. Only the truly dirt poor would be stuck with zip guns and pipe rifles which are really iffy arms at best.
Well, you can actually make homemade weapons that are respectable. Depends on what matreials you have and what type of equipment. You can make a submachine gun with handtools, even if it would be an absolute pain. Really, submachine guns like the Sten, Sterling, and M3 are about the simplest you can get with magazine-fed weapons. Even boltaction rifles are usually more complex.
Flintlock weapons wouldn't be very hard to make. I mean, they were making them three hundred years ago. I'd love to see a blunderbuss (flintlock shotgun basically), you'd finally have a real use for those rocks you find.
Somewhere around here I have a design of mine for a repeating blackpowder rifle that could have been made with handtools. - Colt
Flintlock weapons wouldn't be very hard to make. I mean, they were making them three hundred years ago. I'd love to see a blunderbuss (flintlock shotgun basically), you'd finally have a real use for those rocks you find.
Somewhere around here I have a design of mine for a repeating blackpowder rifle that could have been made with handtools. - Colt
I want to see a dual-suspension recurve crossbow. It requires a ratchet come-along to pull it, but the punch would be ungodly. Yes, I'm thinking of something that could be cart/vehicle mounted or carried in the hands of someone in power armor or a super mutant.
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Dark Predator
First time out of the vault
i was thinking of looting o'l museums and stealing o'l weaponry
Dark Predator
First time out of the vault
bows would also be great. making your own ammo. and it would be nice if you had a nice repairskill, you could make bullets from waste and spare knifes, armor enz. you could make a profession out of that(earn soem bucks!)
PsychoSniper
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Doubleposting is bad.
But I agree that it'd be cool to be able to craft items.
But I agree that it'd be cool to be able to craft items.
just a note to the crossbow Rosh talked about, crossbows and bows don't punch, they rather drag a litle. It's a litle hard to explain, but if you just string up a thread between two ends of a stick and try it you'll see .
I just hate it when I see crossbows in games having recoil...maybe that's just because I train archery though
.I just hate it when I see crossbows in games having recoil...maybe that's just because I train archery though
I think by "punch" he meant the actual force applied to the target on impact, not the (negative) recoil.
Punch, as in the difference between a weak 75lbs draw bow and a good 150 lbs pull arbalest. 
150 is ideal for moose, though you'll not recover the bolts more often than you will, which is perfect since it means a clean through shot. If a crossbow was made from a vehicle suspension or shocks, then it would need metal cables in order to pull it, along with a really heavy winch and ratchet draw mechanisms on it.
I can just see a 300-400lbs pull metal crossbow, though it would be ugly. A crit failure would be...bad. Goodbye face, maybe even decapitation if a cable snapped.
Any other weapons people can think of that can be made from post-apocalyptic scrap? Another favorite of mine, I think Saint Proverbius mentioned this one, is an axe blade made from auto parts and filed for sharpness. People would also tend to use other scrapped items, like the modern day equivalent of a club, the tire iron.
150 is ideal for moose, though you'll not recover the bolts more often than you will, which is perfect since it means a clean through shot. If a crossbow was made from a vehicle suspension or shocks, then it would need metal cables in order to pull it, along with a really heavy winch and ratchet draw mechanisms on it.I can just see a 300-400lbs pull metal crossbow, though it would be ugly. A crit failure would be...bad. Goodbye face, maybe even decapitation if a cable snapped.
Any other weapons people can think of that can be made from post-apocalyptic scrap? Another favorite of mine, I think Saint Proverbius mentioned this one, is an axe blade made from auto parts and filed for sharpness. People would also tend to use other scrapped items, like the modern day equivalent of a club, the tire iron.
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
A couple of really simple weapons I'd like to see are a catapult or slingshot, a small hand held one not a siege weapon.
And an urban twist on the rock, a brick or half brick.
And an urban twist on the rock, a brick or half brick.
more types of knives; boot knives, small knives, big knives, pocket knives, throwing knives, swiss army knives, combat knives. If most of them has the same damage and stuff then it won't be a waste to have many cos then people can use whichever they think is coolest. I myself prefer the good old Bowie combat knife.
