Old School weaponry

[Colt]

Spears that are actually able to kill people would be nice along with the extra knives. You can make a crossbow prod from the shocks on some vehicles, spring steel. Things like machetes and axes should also be much more common since they are actual tools like a spear. If you have a strong, agressive, character then an axe would be the perfect weapon for them.


I'd personally like to see a kukri. - Colt

 

[Dove]

Hand to hand as a valid combat option? Hmm, I would really like to see that.

@Rosh: How about an old fashioned David vs Goliath like sling, throwing a sharpened fan blade from a car? That could do some massive damage to somebody.

 

[7ycell]

Hand to hand as a valid combat option? Hmm, I would really like to see that.

Play Fallout 2.

 

[Roshambo]

@Rosh: How about an old fashioned David vs Goliath like sling, throwing a sharpened fan blade from a car? That could do some massive damage to somebody.

Attach a handle to it and you have a nice throwing axe.

 

[Colt]

Hand to hand as a valid combat option? Hmm, I would really like to see that.

@Rosh: How about an old fashioned David vs Goliath like sling, throwing a sharpened fan blade from a car? That could do some massive damage to somebody.

Exactly. Melee combat that works. If I stab you with my boar spear, I expect you to go down and stay down, bitch. Unless you're a Deathclaw, that could just lead to unpleasant running and screaming... But regardless, the melee combat in Fallout has mainly been along the lines of Hit... Hit... Hit... Critical... Hit... Hit... Your dead! Whatever happened to charging in like a maniac and skewering your enemy? Might as well use the pocketknife. - Colt

 

[Ashmo]

:: writes down everyone's ideas ::

Thanks for the input.

:: runs off to work on his project ::

 

[7ycell]

Yea, if you hit somone in the back of the head with a machety you dont expect them to keep comming for you, but the same can be said for a gun, you shoot somone with a shotgun and they ARNT going to keep coming for you.

Its a game, cant have it real or you would die on the first enemy.

 

[Dark Predator]

katana's and swords would be great for instant killing. and for the Brotherhood of Steel a powered version(using kinetic tech)

 

[Roshambo]

katana's and swords would be great for instant killing. and for the Brotherhood of Steel a powered version(using kinetic tech)

And a hearty welcome to the newest White Trash Ninja who believes that katanas would fit the setting in any way or suit the style of fiction.

Get a clue, please, before you post anything more ignorant about the Fallout universe. The "yakuza" with the wakizashis that were little more than knife animations were one of a number of obvious brain turds haphazardly introducted by BIS.

and it would be nice if you had a nice repairskill, you could make bullets from waste and spare knifes, armor enz. you could make a profession out of that(earn soem bucks!)

I thought such poor concepts only belonged in MMORPGs. That's right, metal = metal. "Booletts use teh metal to maek neww ones!!"

 

[Lord 342]

In regards to Melee cobat; it's true, we needed more options. In FO2, if it was a "weapon" it had immense value (Well, except things like rocks and sharpened poles). I'd like to see "weapons" like simple metal rods, 2x4s, baseball bats, etc, that have little monetary value, but are decent "improvised" weapons. You're still dead if I beat you to death with an old piece of iron pipe or a factory-made high-quality collapsible baton.

Not to shoot down Rosh (I know even turning the ol' Anti-aircraft guns in his direction is risky ) But Japanese style swords are very, very popular. The ones that are sold to most people are crap weapons, but they do exist. An "Item Description" would be sorta like this:

You See: Tourist Sword:
A mass-market Japanese style sword. Someone has taken the time to put a sharp edge on the medium-grade steel blade, making it at least an effective weapon. The fittings aren't of good quality and the entire weapon seems overly heavy yet at the same time weak. The balance is poor.
It's a poor weapon for two reasons: 1: A jab at the Katana freaks; 2: Given the number of these things I see at flea markets, fairs, gift shops, and in people's houses, they'd make excellent "Filler" weapons since they're not very good. Certainly not as common as the good ol' piece-o-pipe or tire iron, but around just to add a little variety.

I'd accept a good Katana if it were a limited-run weapon (i.e. only one or two in the whole game) but not the kind of thing you can simply pick up from a shop or off a fallen foe's corpse. Just for flavor, like the 9mm Mauser, although I'd make it a viable weapon, not *just* a novelty. It'd need a very high melee weapons skill to use well, though.

 

[Roshambo]

Two problems. One is in the setting. Swords would be one thing, Japanese swords would hardly exist in such a setting placement because someone would hardly write about their protagonist "going ninja" on someone to suit their 50's science-fiction storyline. Not too many people were that fond of Japan then because of that silly WWII thing...

Two, the swords of tourist quality are of a more modern production, as is Japanophilia. Fallout is the world where the US is still in "Red Commie Scare". Cheap 'Asian-influenced' crap flooding into the US is also a more recent event.

I would rather see material be put into the setting if it fits, versus material used to get off some White Trash Ninja kid who thinks it's 'kewl'. Such 'ideas' feel more like Tarantino's Pulp Fiction than 50's science-fiction.

The writer would have touched Googie before anything related to Gaidai, despite that Googie wasn't really found much in 50's science-fiction, only in the more contemporary fiction of that time.

 

[Wooz]

katana's and swords would be great for instant killing. and for the Brotherhood of Steel a powered version(using kinetic tech)

I'm surprised you didn't mention black leather samurai armor yet.

 

[Dark Predator]

thanx for critics. earlier i had it 'bout looting ol' museams, hidden in the desertsand. next to the in begin handy, further in the game worthless "Tourist Sword" there is this very handy good preserved high-quality antique steel authenic sword in the museam along with a hole bunch of ol'guns 'n stuff(axes, pikes enz)
that wouldn't ruin the '50's fallout setting

 

[Roshambo]

thanx for critics. earlier i had it 'bout looting ol' museams, hidden in the desertsand. next to the in begin handy, further in the game worthless "Tourist Sword" there is this very handy good preserved high-quality antique steel authenic sword in the museam along with a hole bunch of ol'guns 'n stuff(axes, pikes enz)
that wouldn't ruin the '50's fallout setting

No, but it's quite mistaken to assume that a museum would have anything of that when the world has been a wasteland for...hundreds of years. Museums would have been scoured clean if they weren't caught in the blast. And THEN there's the whole thing about being where people can easily visit, and usually being near the DEAD CENTER OF A CITY. Gee...what did major cities have dropped on them? An atomic bomb. Get a clue about what those do, too, before you continue.

Then, of course, this also assumes that a 50's sci-fi writer would write as if the protagonist was going to use the sword on people. This isn't Pulp Fiction, there's a reason why Jackie Chan isn't in the game either, in favor of pugilism, and anyone using such a sword is generally an enemy in the eyes of the Fallout setting. You know, the whole matter about the US citizenry being distrustful of anything Asian during that time because of China, N. Korea, and just a decade earlier, Japan.

Did you really see "Germanophilia" kick off in the history books a few decades after Nazi Germany? Hopefully that might be an example close enough to clue you in, assuming that you passed history class. Or if you can't get the hint from that, imagine how a Mid-East themed movie or game would have comparatively little interest at all, where you play as someone in that setting.

Now, if you even bothered to learn anything about the Great War, the US was still in the Commies!/Nuke Scare mentality, this time with the Chinese, so to those outside of San Fran, Asian = not welcome. Those using such weaponry, even if someone was mostly ignorant of Chinese culture, stories would be passed down through written or oral means, and using such a weapon would mark said person as an outsider in foreign terms.

So, for once on this forum, will you play Fallout with your eyes open before you keep clogging up these topics with your ignorance?

If you need help, you can ask your parents what those big glass things are on the water chip. Hopefully they would know enough to clue you in. You're still a moron for the "CD-player" garbage. You still have no clue about "the 50's setting", as it really is how a 50's science-fiction writer would illustrate the events. I pointed that out before, but grasping simple concepts is clearly not your strong suit.

 

[Dark Predator]

(moderators please remove this, not ment for double posting, little mistake while trying to edit it)

 

[Dark Predator]

No, but it's quite mistaken to assume that a museum would have anything of that when the world has been a wasteland for...hundreds of years. Museums would have been scoured clean if they weren't caught in the blast. And THEN there's the whole thing about being where people can easily visit, and usually being near the DEAD CENTER OF A CITY. Gee...what did major cities have dropped on them? An atomic bomb. Get a clue about what those do, too, before you continue.

ok, the cd-thing was sh*t. put in a jukebox. but evah thought of neutronbombs? since i've traveled in the Glow for numberous times, radiation isn't much of a problem after couple hundred years. but in the first 50/60 years of radioactive rain, i think that you woudn't raid a green glowing museum! and for the following hundreds who remembers a museam? who cares of the reality? is it realistic to find so many people or weapons in a post-nuclear world. guess not. so what's the difference

 

[Lord 342]

OK Rosh, I'm getting your point here, but we're kinda missing eachother. Yes, in the 1950s people weren't too hot on Japanese things, just look at how well early Toyotas sold... Anyway, The war in Fallout actually happened LONG after the ACTUAL 1950s. WWII was long over. I doubt there would be much animosity towards the Axis nations... just look at how many German weapons made it into the Fallout world... The numerous H&K guns, the Gauss rifle and Vindicator minigun were all german made. As far as I see it, Fallout has the 1950s mentality towards Communism/reds, but the world seems to have advanced otherwise, at least somewhat. AFAIK Japan is never mentioned in the game. China is, they were the enemy. China and Japan are two very different places.

This is just my $0.02, not canon. I really don't care if my "Tourist Sword" would make it in or not. A mass-market generic sword of some sort (European broadsword) would fill the same gap of a "Flavor" filler melee weapon and be less culturally grating. To strike a happy medium, if it were up to me, I'd hide one good Katana (Someone' WWII war trophy or what have you) somewhere in the game as a novelty and leave out the other ones I mentioned, or at least make them also very uncommon.

More on-topic, I had suggested "improvised" weapons. Remember some maps where you could find rocks all over and pick them up? Leave things like pipes, beams, shovels, etc. laying about many maps. They'd be poor weapons, but usable. Perhaps a special perk of some kind would make you better at improvisation of all kinds; you'd get a modest boost to repair and first aid (not science or doctor, assuming those are all still in the skillset) and you would attack with improvised weapons as if they were meant to be used as weapons.

 

[Dark Predator]

i think real close-combat weapons should be harder to get, than you would focus more on the "junk"weapons

 

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

A mass-market generic sword of some sort (European broadsword) would fill the same gap of a "Flavor" filler melee weapon and be less culturally grating. To strike a happy medium, if it were up to me, I'd hide one good Katana (Someone' WWII war trophy or what have you) somewhere in the game as a novelty and leave out the other ones I mentioned, or at least make them also very uncommon.

If there really has to be a pre-war manufactured sword in the game it should be a US Army Cavalry Officer's ceremonial sword. That would be the most likely type to find, if there are any abandoned semi-intact military bases left.

 

[Roshambo]

ok, the cd-thing was sh*t.

Typical of most of your posts.

but evah thought of neutronbombs?

"Evah" try laying down the crack pipe in order to have some hope of grasping Fallout's universe?

since i've traveled in the Glow for numberous times, radiation isn't much of a problem after couple hundred years. but in the first 50/60 years of radioactive rain, i think that you woudn't raid a green glowing museum! and for the following hundreds who remembers a museam? who cares of the reality? is it realistic to find so many people or weapons in a post-nuclear world. guess not. so what's the difference

That is absolutely pathetic reasoning. The Glow was a protected, underground bunker. Museums are made of brick and would be at ground zero. At least try to think about what that would mean.

Also, you have yet again pointed out that your understanding of the setting is quite...well, it's likely that you're lying about having played the games. Either that, you just don't give a shit about the setting and you're scrubbing your ass across the forum with misplaced drivel, or you truly are an idiot. Either way, back to the BioWare forums with you!

OK Rosh, I'm getting your point here,

No, you're not.

but we're kinda missing eachother.

Correction, you're lost, and I'm getting pissed at having to repeat myself for what is becoming the THIRD FUCKING TIME IN THE SAME GODDAMN THREAD.

Yes, in the 1950s people weren't too hot on Japanese things, just look at how well early Toyotas sold... Anyway, The war in Fallout actually happened LONG after the ACTUAL 1950s.

Yet wasn't I talking about chronological events. I was discussing, as I have to YET AGAIN point out, that Fallout was set as science-fiction as if a 50's writer would have written it.

Just take a look at Boyarsky's Fallout profile if I'm that hard to believe.

WWII was long over. I doubt there would be much animosity towards the Axis nations... just look at how many German weapons made it into the Fallout world...

The numerous H&K guns, the Gauss rifle and Vindicator minigun were all german made.

I don't care to validate a number of fuck-ups on behalf of BIS on terms of "just because" and that is reason to further skullfuck the setting. Right now, both you and Dark Predator are both sounding like Chuck Cuevas apologists.

As far as I see it, Fallout has the 1950s mentality towards Communism/reds, but the world seems to have advanced otherwise, at least somewhat. AFAIK Japan is never mentioned in the game. China is, they were the enemy. China and Japan are two very different places.

I think I already mentioned something about the entire theater of operations being a bit disfavorful in public light, but I could be wrong...

Then again, there's also events that led up to the third war around the 50's. I still think it's funny more people learned about that war from MASH than history books.

This is just my $0.02, not canon. I really don't care if my "Tourist Sword" would make it in or not.

Yet that doesn't stop the babble about how (incorrectly) it would fit into the setting. Admitting that is about the same as Dark Predator's discussion about CD-players.

At least try if you expect other people to read what you write.

A mass-market generic sword of some sort (European broadsword) would fill the same gap of a "Flavor" filler melee weapon and be less culturally grating. To strike a happy medium, if it were up to me, I'd hide one good Katana (Someone' WWII war trophy or what have you) somewhere in the game as a novelty and leave out the other ones I mentioned, or at least make them also very uncommon.

There's still the bit about the reason why pugilism is used versus Jackie Chan, which I have already discussed. Ad nauseum by this point.

And people wonder why I lose my temper, so to speak, when I tire of repeating myself for the benefit of those who can't bother to read my post in entirety in the first place. It also might be surprising that after being around the Fallout games since they've been released, having been around the Fallout community for that time, that I would know just a hint of the setting.

To put it simply, think Buck Rogers/Duck Dodgers/Commander Cody/etc., not Quentin Tarantino.

If there really has to be a pre-war manufactured sword in the game it should be a US Army Cavalry Officer's ceremonial sword. That would be the most likely type to find, if there are any abandoned semi-intact military bases left.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! See folks? That wasn't too hard. It fit the setting, the feeling of Americana pride of the time in which the science-fiction is styled upon, and it is also a fairly unique item as I've not seen a calvary sword in modern/future settings.

Just surpress your inner White Trash Ninja for five minutes. Katanas are everywhere. Let them go, kids.