Osama and Sadam, the Hitler and Musolini of our times.

I think that site is run by Osama. They disgrace the innocent people who died that day. And Wooz, you can't tell me you actually believe all of that. And Sander, now think about this question. If you lived under a dictator who would kill you, your family, and your friends if you said or did one thing he didn't like, wouldn't you want to be liberated? Now, don't go saying you would rebel. That was tried in Iraq, and if that moron of a general didn't let the Iraqis use their air power, the rebels could have won. So, this war, is just unfinished business. But still, if you were going to rebel, you would do hardly any good by yourself against someone who has control of the military. He may have the hatred of his people, but as long as he has fear over his people, well you get the idea. Look at Serbia, remember that dictator there? Everyone feared him, until the Balkan War. Then, he was overthrown. It took an invasion, but it helped. Not too many complaining then. May I ask why? Don't say because countless innocent people were murdered unless you want to prove my point. If I were living under a tyranny, I would rebel if I wasn't the only one. You can't do any good by yourself against an Army, no matter how weak. It won't be a low budget Arnold movie. But otherwise, I would yearn for someone like the U.S., Britian, Australia, etc... to come to our rescue. And in return, they can dig some oil wells in our backyard. Freedom is worth it. Hell, if you don't have anything to gain, why do anything. The U.S. had lots to gain, we were one of the willing few to try and do some good, whilst others sat at home and said we are doing wrong, and we have some oil to gain alongside.
 
King said:
I think that site is run by Osama.
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King, ever since I left two years back and shrugged of most of Rosh's teaching over those two years, I've been a fairly amiable fellow. So feel honoured that I feel the need to say this to you:

You are a fucking moron.

King said:
And Wooz, you can't tell me you actually believe all of that. And Sander, now think about this question. If you lived under a dictator who would kill you, your family, and your friends if you said or did one thing he didn't like, wouldn't you want to be liberated? Now, don't go saying you would rebel. That was tried in Iraq, and if that moron of a general didn't let the Iraqis use their air power, the rebels could have won. So, this war, is just unfinished business. But still, if you were going to rebel, you would do hardly any good by yourself against someone who has control of the military. He may have the hatred of his people, but as long as he has fear over his people, well you get the idea.
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So basically, you're saying the US shouldn't have rebelled against England in the 18th century and should've just waited for a liberating force, because they would be just civilians facing up against what was at that time one of the mightiest armies of the world...

There's some good, sound thinking if I ever heard it. While we're at it, Holland should never have started the 80-year war with Spain, Portugal should never have claimed their independancy from Castille, Greece should never have done battle with the Ottomans, all the colonies should never have rebelled, etc. etc.

And let's not forget the civilian resistance against the nazis. A bad idea, if I ever heard one.
 
I didn't say that. I said, you are no good by yourself. The rebellion against Britian was all of the colonies together, masses of people. Not one person on his own against an entire army. Why am I an idiot now? What have I done?
 
King said:
I didn't say that. I said, you are no good by yourself. The rebellion against Britian was all of the colonies together, masses of people. Not one person on his own against an entire army.
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Everything starts with one person, or do you think thousands upon thousands of people suddenly decide to rebel at the exact same moment?

This is as stupid as "I'm not going to dispose my batteries in a battery box, I'll just throw them in the trash. What difference does it make what one person does?"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against invading countries to liberate them, strictly speaking, but what you're arguing is just stupid

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Why am I an idiot now? What have I done?
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It might help if you read the text inside the "King said" box, maybe you could figure it out from there.
 
Well I have no idea what I have done to be called an idiot but oh well. And when I was speaking of one rebelling, I meant one man, fighting against an army, not going out recruiting. It starts with one man with an idea, that's not what I said though, I said one FIGHTING against many on his own.
 
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Now there is really great news for the coalition. There is now more proof of the alliance of Osama and Sadam. How they planned to use chemical weapons against the U.S. and planned for a mutual non-agression plan. Sadam, being the fool he is to trust a terrorist who attacks his own, agreed to the plan. And more good news, there are leaflets being passed out by former bathists saying they have kicked out Sadam from the party and are willing to contact the U.S. and coalition to talk peace terms. Supposedly, it is because of the proof of alliance between Osama and Sadam..... So this is tragic since more than 300 people are wounded and more than 20 are dead. But it presents a light side, the Turkish saying that it will not go unpunished. So hopefully, they will become more active in the hunt for Osama, and hopefully, the offer of peace talks by the bathists is not a trap and presents us with a Sadam.
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Again, King, if you get your news from the surprise package in Cracker Jacks, chances are there is something wrong with it.

I looked at the web pages you had posted and I saw nothing to indicate proof of a Saddam- Osama partnership.

Yes, the Turkish bombings done by Osama's Al Qaeda does not equal an alliance. It would make sense for such forces to ally. It would even make sense of Al Qaeda to engage in US forces in Iraq seperately. But an alliance as you suggest is yet to be proven, and wishful thinking does not make it so.
 
King, you are not even making a point worth fightin. YOu're saying that Iraqi's are happy with the USA, yep, that could very well be, of course, the USA should and can do certain things better. Like the re-instatement of an Iraqui government, or perhaps actually say why they were there.

The reason I was and am against the war is NOT because I don't think the Iraqui people wouldn't like it, it is because the USA and the UK are full of crap. The war was a war of false pretenses, and stupid ones at that. WMD give me a break, say that they were there, it would've been STUPID to invade Iraq.
Another reason to be against the war, for me, is that it is not worth it, and that it should have been done differently.
 
Kharn, since you are an administrator, I will no longer say nothing to you. Other than, you misread what I posted and began to insult me for no reason. Shouldn't Admins. obey the rules too?

Welsh, I already stated, I saw it off the channel, and I have no other further proof. If you want proof so much, why don't you do what I stated, "send them and email asking for comfirmation on these stories." The leaflets for all I know as of now is propoganda or a trap, doesn't sound believable, the aliance evidence was recovered proof of it, tapes, letters, etc... so once again I will say it, if it's not on the site, and you wish for proof, send them an email asking for confirmation.

And finally, Sander. Let me ask you this. Let's say your country was under a dictatorship, whether foreign or not. Wouldn't you want for someone to help? I would be willing to give up my backyard to oil digging to America, instead of giving my life to a evil man who thinks he is a prophet/God/messiah.
 
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Welsh, I already stated, I saw it off the channel, and I have no other further proof. If you want proof so much, why don't you do what I stated, "send them and email asking for comfirmation on these stories." The leaflets for all I know as of now is propoganda or a trap, doesn't sound believable, the aliance evidence was recovered proof of it, tapes, letters, etc... so once again I will say it, if it's not on the site, and you wish for proof, send them an email asking for confirmation.
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Look, Zipperhead, if you are going to make a bold statement like that, then you better have proof to back it up. Otherwise it sounds like you are throwing around bullshit, and I wonder if I should kill this thread.
 
Kill all Hu-Mans!

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And leave it, welsh, it doth do noone harm. This thread is amusing, in an off-beat BET-kind of way...
 
King said:
Welsh, I already stated, I saw it off the channel, and I have no other further proof. If you want proof so much, why don't you do what I stated, "send them and email asking for comfirmation on these stories." The leaflets for all I know as of now is propoganda or a trap, doesn't sound believable, the aliance evidence was recovered proof of it, tapes, letters, etc... so once again I will say it, if it's not on the site, and you wish for proof, send them an email asking for confirmation.
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See, this is a flaw in debating. If you're trying to prove a point, you should submit the proof. No one should expect the "opponent" to go on a wild goose chase to obtain proof themselves. After all, it is you that is attempting to demonstrate that your point is correct, no?
 
Naw that will only piss of the americans at this board, and then there will be long and boring discussions about loyalty and other stuff, just leave it be. And also double check everything you hear on the news.

Just where are you from?
 
King said:
Would you feal better if I said bad things about America and/or the coalition?
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You're missing the point. I don't care what your opinion is, you're free to speak it (unless you're a nazi/pedophile/KKKer/freemason/other nasty thing), but if you want to debate with people, please make sure of the following things:

1. You've completely read the person's post and understand it.

2. You're adressing each point of his you find relevant in a calm and rational manner

3. All facts you name can be backed up
 
Think about it King, you're claiming that you got never-before-proven information from popular news sources, but yet you can't even find confirmation from your "source" themselves.

You've been contradicted at every turn so far.

You are a perfect example of how not to go into a debate of any kind whatsoever.

You're not pleasing any sides. You're only pissing people off because you're either being an ignorant member of the opposition or living up to be an example of the ignorant fan-bois out there.

We honestly don't care what you say as long as it's true or can actually be supported by something. Don't come here saying something that nobody else is willing to support without evidence, telling us that we should do your researching for you, and still wonder why nobody believes your story. Have a real story to tell us next time please.

I mean, c'mon. Katja even posted here about that, and I've never seen her post in a political debate before either.
 
Kharn- what exactly is wrong with the free masons?

And conspiracy theorists feel free to provide your opinions.
 
Yeah, you're always welcome to post your ideas and feelings here. Just don't expect to come out alive.

Check out the Vats for examples. Espeically look for the ones that ended with a post from Roshambo.

We're not automatically hostile to newcomers here if that's how you feel. We're only like that to claims that seem to have no support whatsoever.

Keep it up, we need more humor material around here.
 
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