PC Action Germany reviews Fallout 3

[Malcolm_x]

7 steps to save Megaton as a female.

1. Put on make-up.
2. Find condom.
3. Seduce Burke.
4. Buy room.
5. LOL sex.
6. Give him pep speech while giving a handjob.
7. Megaton is safe.

Nice try but little to complicated for Bethezda so many options so many ways hah for that Bethezdazz brains are too small

Hmmm and how will look the way of Male?

1. Find Megatron
2. Speak with sheriff 3 answers possible
- i will kill u
- i will fu...ed kill u
- leave megatron - first kill sheriff
- kill other perosns with words i will kill u all mo.... fu......
Megatron is wipied out u dont need to use a Bomb

 

[Leon]

Megatron is wipied out u dont need to use a Bomb

Except the f-bomb, AM I RIGHT, FELLAS?


Fellas?

 

[moyogo]

Megatron is wipied out u dont need to use a Bomb

Except the f-bomb, AM I RIGHT, FELLAS?


Fellas?

Yes sir you are correct, bad jokes always work.

RE: the review, can someone post their rating criteria? I would be much obliged.

 

[Xenophile]

I really like the ability to talk the guy out of trying to explode the bomb.

I find it funny the immediate response to this is "Oh.. I bet this is the ONLY place that you get such an exclusive option". Really guys? BN.. that you too.

I find that extremely pessimistic. Sure these types of situations might not be prolific, but I think that we will see several situations at least where a combination of perks and skills open quest paths.

The game isn't perfect, but I do really think they made an "effort" to try to bring the quest and conversation trees upto a level similar to Fallout. I think they will by far be much better in dependance to character traits/skills then we have seen recently in NWN2 etc. I am not saying that the quality of the writing is the same.

 

[Brother None]

I find it funny the immediate response to this is "Oh.. I bet this is the ONLY place that you get such an exclusive option". Really guys? BN.. that you too.

I find it funny how you twist my words to say something I did not say: kikomiko indicated this is "one of the coolest things" about Fallout 3, to which I pointed out this is the first clear-cut example we've seen of such a situation: which is simply a fact.

I think that we will see several situations at least where a combination of perks and skills open quest paths.

Sure, why not. Source? Link? Statement?

NWN2 etc.

 

[Xenophile]

opps... my fault.. I misread your post.

 

[4rekl]

Surely BN never sleeps.. how else could he post all hours of the day and night!

Sorry if I've been bugging you guys. I am just sooooo excited.

I can understand FO fans being upset, not sure I understand this level of excitment. FO3 looks flawed. I'd be taking a wait and see attitude, even if I was an Oblivion fan.

I'll hire this to have a look, and then if I enjoy I'll buy it.

 

[lewis]

Gentlemen this game is going to suck, sucks like hell to us the fans. reviews are doing nothing more than hype the game because you know easy money its more important these days. i must say i dont like vanila oblivion (hell the game its not mine a friend gifhted to me) i got the game heavy modded and i play it because sometimes i got nothing better to do. but hell everytime i see a pick of fallout 3 it reminds me of oblivion some how.

And by the way with a few mods oblivon looks a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy better that fallout 3, and it wont burn your computer.

 

[grapedog]

Of all the things the preview mentions, bleak and dreary just bugs me...

It's a post apocalyptic wasteland...

Bleak - CHECK
Dreary - CHECK

Ok...so, how are we not on target for a proper look and feel? Just adding color so we can avoid the terms "bleak" and "dreary" is stupid. If the world is a burned out husk...I'm not expecting an explosion of colors to bedazzle my eyes.

 

[cratchety ol joe]

Just one question remains: How good is Fallout 3 in direct comparison with Oblivion?

Oh lord, someone pass me the hammer this nail need driving into a coffin...

SERIOUSLY?!?!? WTF..

and here's me thinking this was a SEQUAL to a game i knew called fallout 2

aww heck, im just gonna reinstall FO2 again... lord knows i loved it!

 

[DJS4000]

RE: the review, can someone post their rating criteria? I would be much obliged.

certainly. they do not have mathematical equations or fixed percentages. they explain it on the page before the review section. i'll translate:

"rating: how it works.

ratings are questions of philosophy. this is especially true for emotional judgments, i.e. rating the fun-factor of a game. this factor is highly subjective and in no way measurable in percent. can one rate a game by looking at its components and then adding them all to a sum? we do not think so. example: tetris, with poor graphics, but gameplay-mechanics that are pure genius would have no chance to receive high ratings in a system like this. furthermore, certain aspects of a game are either more or less important, depending on genre. example: a sports game with piss-poor controls is unplayable, thus disqualifying itself. whereas the controls in adventure-, fps- and strategy games are more or less a standardized factor of "hygiene". here the controls are only important when they are either brilliant or do not work at all. mental leap: what happens, when you leave the cinema with your friends? you discuss the best scenes, and the ones you absolutely did not like. the same goes for games. the greatest and the worst moments, as well as how often they happen, remain in your head and are eventually part of your very personal gaming experience and rating.
pc action objectifies by having multiple reviewers per game and exact comparisons with games of the same genre, but stays true to the above concept at the same time. plus, you will see exactly what factors are the reason that a game may not reach its' full potential (they are talking about deductions in % here-djs4000)."


by the way, i need to clarify something here regarding the circumstances of the review. they were not the only ones invited by bethsoft. it appears almost every major magazine had been present in nuremberg.

 

[Kashrlyyk]

...
by the way, i need to clarify something here regarding the circumstances of the review. they were not the only ones invited by bethsoft. it appears almost every major magazine had been present in nuremberg.

Which magazines exactly?
How long does it take to get rid of the euphoria to at last play the game and to actually be able to see the game how it is?? Any review done within 16 hours is worthless.

 

[marko2te]

RE: the review, can someone post their rating criteria? I would be much obliged.

certainly. they do not have mathematical equations or fixed percentages. they explain it on the page before the review section. i'll translate:

"rating: how it works.

ratings are questions of philosophy. this is especially true for emotional judgments, i.e. rating the fun-factor of a game. this factor is highly subjective and in no way measurable in percent. can one rate a game by looking at its components and then adding them all to a sum? we do not think so. example: tetris, with poor graphics, but gameplay-mechanics that are pure genius would have no chance to receive high ratings in a system like this. furthermore, certain aspects of a game are either more or less important, depending on genre. example: a sports game with piss-poor controls is unplayable, thus disqualifying itself. whereas the controls in adventure-, fps- and strategy games are more or less a standardized factor of "hygiene". here the controls are only important when they are either brilliant or do not work at all. mental leap: what happens, when you leave the cinema with your friends? you discuss the best scenes, and the ones you absolutely did not like. the same goes for games. the greatest and the worst moments, as well as how often they happen, remain in your head and are eventually part of your very personal gaming experience and rating.
pc action objectifies by having multiple reviewers per game and exact comparisons with games of the same genre, but stays true to the above concept at the same time. plus, you will see exactly what factors are the reason that a game may not reach its' full potential (they are talking about deductions in % here-djs4000)."


by the way, i need to clarify something here regarding the circumstances of the review. they were not the only ones invited by bethsoft. it appears almost every major magazine had been present in nuremberg.

They gave Oblivion 88% score and called it a best RPG in years, here is one fun quote.

"But Oblivion is much more than just breathtaking optics. The Havok Physics system and the artificial intelligence of the opponents make for a deeper gaming experience than the other role-playing games we know."

So sorry if I dont believe a word they say in their review of Fallout 3.

 

[DJS4000]

Which magazines exactly?
How long does it take to get rid of the euphoria to at last play the game and to actually be able to see the game how it is?? Any review done within 16 hours is worthless.

they aren't specific. they say "editors from every renowned pc gaming and console magazine in germany".

and i think that 16 hours are quite enough to judge a game. they do this for a living.

 

[Malcolm_x]

they aren't specific. they say "editors from every renowned pc gaming and console magazine in germany".

and i think that 16 hours are quite enough to judge a game. they do this for a living.

Exacly they do this for a living so try to think that way - wrong note is almost suecide when all others gived 95-100% when u do this u are finished u dont get any other game from B. and u will not be invite to next exclusive show of some new game - want to stay in makret u must licked some asses....:/
Hard but true

 

[Dork Mage]

...
by the way, i need to clarify something here regarding the circumstances of the review. they were not the only ones invited by bethsoft. it appears almost every major magazine had been present in nuremberg.

Which magazines exactly?
How long does it take to get rid of the euphoria to at last play the game and to actually be able to see the game how it is?? Any review done within 16 hours is worthless.

When first reaching K'vatch in Oblivion (what, the first hour?) it became abundantly clear that OB was NOT an RPG - yet reviewers gave it RPG of the year. I don't have any hope in the media giving a useful review for games, I now look at "(p)reviews" as a form of entertainment.

 

[Texas Renegade]

Wow, any of you ever think about getting a job with Oliver Stone? I mean seriously, the conspiracy theories some of you throw around about the links the gaming media will go to to lie about a game just to appease a publisher are kind of...... well just......JFK assassination kind of territory.


Now, comparing the game to oblivion makes sense, when you consider then the majority of gamers today are more concerned about graphical content then anything else. Plus, considering that A: these people probably never played FO1 or 2 and that most of the people who read it will have never heard of it. I mean seriously, I have talked to people about this game who think the title is supposed to be some cleaver name or something and don't even realize it is a sequel.

Seriously though, I think the game will be good. It will have its faults, but to believe that Beth is somehow controlling the previews to the extent ya'll are indicating is hard to believe. Especially considering if it went that way, it would be a logical conclusion for bigger companies to make the next step and start saying not only do we want great previews but you have to give our competition bad previews.

I want to say we have seen another thing or two along the lines of the save Megaton trick, but can't recall it at the moment.

Oh, not related, but for a bit of negativity, just saw on the wiki that the "Fisto" is apparently a made weapon that involves straping a big hunk of meat to your fist

 

[rcorporon]

Now, comparing the game to oblivion makes sense, when you consider then the majority of gamers today are more concerned about graphical content then anything else. Plus, considering that A: these people probably never played FO1 or 2 and that most of the people who read it will have never heard of it. I mean seriously, I have talked to people about this game who think the title is supposed to be some cleaver name or something and don't even realize it is a sequel.

If we're comparing based on graphics then, why not compare FO3 to MGS4? MGS4 has better graphics than Oblivion did, and thus should be a better yardstick than Oblivion.

Your logic eludes me sir.

In terms of reality however, being Falloue "3" means it should be directly compared to Fallout "1" and "2." When Gears of War 2 ships, guess which game it'll be comapred to. (If you said anything other than Gears of War "1" you're incorrect.)

FO3 isn't Oblivion 2, it isn't an Elde Scrolls game, and should be judged based on how well it is as a sequel to Fallout 2.

 

[Texas Renegade]

Now, comparing the game to oblivion makes sense, when you consider then the majority of gamers today are more concerned about graphical content then anything else. Plus, considering that A: these people probably never played FO1 or 2 and that most of the people who read it will have never heard of it. I mean seriously, I have talked to people about this game who think the title is supposed to be some cleaver name or something and don't even realize it is a sequel.

If we're comparing based on graphics then, why not compare FO3 to MGS4? MGS4 has better graphics than Oblivion did, and thus should be a better yardstick than Oblivion.

Your logic eludes me sir.

In terms of reality however, being Falloue "3" means it should be directly compared to Fallout "1" and "2." When Gears of War 2 ships, guess which game it'll be comapred to. (If you said anything other than Gears of War "1" you're incorrect.)

FO3 isn't Oblivion 2, it isn't an Elde Scrolls game, and should be judged based on how well it is as a sequel to Fallout 2.

Well lets see: A) Bethesda developed both Oblivion and FO3 and they both run on the same engine. A natural comparison is thereby inherent. MGS4 is a completely different engine for a completely different game that has no connection at all to Beth.

B) Your using Gears of War 2 is completely dodging my point. GoW1 is a new game that is familiar to readers and has probably been played by the person previewing it. My entire point was that this probably does not apply to these previewers in regards to FO1 and 2.

It is the logic of, you can't compare it to something you have never played and am totally unfamiliar with.

It would be like asking me to compare Hurricane Ike to Hurricane Carla. Well Ike I was here for, Carla I wasn't even born. So I really have no personal knowledge of Carla and therefore would be unable to make a comparison.

 

[Section8]

"rating: how it works. <snip>

That to me reads as "We have no idea how to critically analyse a game, so we waffle around a subjective opinion." Now regardless of what many gamers might believe, it is possible to objectively review a game just as it's possible to objectively analyse a movie.

A movie critic will analyse a movie based on the quality of the script, the acting, the editing, cinematography, production, etc. They don't just say "ZOMg! Liam Neeson is my fave actor evar, how good was the bit where..." and there's really no excuse for gaming reviews to take the attitude of "everything is subjective" - that just means you're an incompetent reviewer.

Mind you, the question of competence really pales in comparison to the contemptible circle of life that exists in the games industry, and Texas Renegade - there may be the occasional crackpot theory, but this is an industry built from the ground up from corruption, and overtly so. It's a pretty straightforward concept.

Let's say you work in a company whose main source of revenue is product advertising. For that company and its employees, including yourself, to stay afloat, you need to maintain a steady stream of clients willing to buy advertising space, and enough readers to keep the price of that space economical for both parties. So here are a few simple questions to test your business sense:

Would you publish anything that could drive an advertiser away, thereby cutting off a vital revenue stream?

In a competitive marketplace, would you jeopardise your claims on exclusive pre-release content by painting it in an unfavourable light?

There's no need for sinister backroom deals or conspiracies when your business model is an overt conflict of interest to begin with, and as long as the readership are willing to just lay back and swallow, that won't change. But what too many people forget is that the readership has just as much power as the advertiser - because if nobody is viewing the ad space, it's worth nothing and all of a sudden the media needs to start bowing to the will of the reader.