Perks of my job

WarMonger said:
What? Oh, the extreme run-on withe very little punctuation? I was in a hurry. But anyway, its definitely not 7.62 x 39. i got a crazy idea and compared it to a .30 carbine round.... and its nearly identical. The only difference is that the .30 projectile sits just a hair farther out than the 7.62.
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Ok, how big is the projectile? It could well be 7.62x25mm Tokarev pistol ammunition; it couldn't be the nagant revolver round as that used a longer case than the .30 carbine round (7.62x33mm). Try measuring the length of the case and you'll know for sure.
 
It can't be 7.62x25mm Mauser/Tokarev if it looks nearly identical to .30 Carbine... .30 Carbine is a straightwall cartridge where as the Mauser round is bottlenecked. The Nagant revolver cartridge always had the slug seated inside of the casing I believe (better gas seal against the barrel) so that's probably out.

I have this weird feeling it's .30 Pedersen (7.62x20mm).

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ExpFCAR.jpg

Pedersen is second from the left. A little short to look almost exaclty like .30 Carbine but oh well. - Colt
 
Colt said:
It can't be 7.62x25mm Mauser/Tokarev if it looks nearly identical to .30 Carbine... .30 Carbine is a straightwall cartridge where as the Mauser round is bottlenecked. The Nagant revolver cartridge always had the slug seated inside of the casing I believe (better gas seal against the barrel) so that's probably out.

I have this weird feeling it's .30 Pedersen (7.62x20mm).

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ExpFCAR.jpg

Pedersen is second from the left. A little short to look almost exaclty like .30 Carbine but oh well. - Colt
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Yes, both Mauser and Tokarev rounds were bottlenecked so you may be right about it being the Pedersen round.

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On the other hand, that cartridge would be only slightly longer than a 9x19mm parabellum round; I think to go from a 7.62x39mm intermediate to a short 7.62x20mm pistol round, the difference is too noticeable to confuse one round with the other. It could well be another lesser known cartridge type.
 
Colt said:
Firearms are dangerous just as your local spork is. If you misuse it and handle it improperly, it can cause damage or even death.

People who know and understand firearms talk about them in a casual manner because they are not afraid of them and know that if you're stupid then bad things will happen... But being familiar with them will not. I only own one rifle. It sits in the corner, unloaded, bolt closed, and safety on. I know it is there if I need it but not until then. - Colt
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:clap:

Thanks Colt.

Seriously Ratty I know they sound crazy, but its just what they do. Realize the intense knowledge they have leads them to better appreciate how to handle such things. Maybe you just need to play more 3D shooters...

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The Vault Dweller
 
colt was right, thats exactly what it is.

me? knowlage? ha! im used to handling guns, but i am far from knowlagable. Ratty just needs to break down and find someone who owns a full-auto he can shoot.

my suggestions:
HK MP5 - sweet easy handling gun, got to shoot one my 3rd day on the job
Mac 11 - not as nice as the MP5 but it gets the job done. shot one the day I applied, but i recomend using a compensator.
 
This only proves that I know too much about firearms and why I need to be hired by someone.

You can definitely put that Pedersen ammunition up on eBay, or somewhere, WarMonger. That's some rare stuff you have there. I would buy some of it but I have no money. :( It's unlikely I'll ever even see a Pedersen Device but a few rounds of the ammunition would be very interesting to have.

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/pipsqueak_pistol.htm

http://www.nrapublications.org/archives/pedersen.asp

Even though it is certainly interesting, I would have designed it differently and better. If they hadn't burned them (no one is still sure why they did from what I know), they probably would have been what the M1 Carbine was to small game hunting but 25+ years earlier.

MP5 - Mmm...
Mac10/11 - Bleh. Rather have an Uzi in .45 ACP. :wink: - Colt
 
It's about time I presented *my* firearm.


I got hold of it on the black market a while ago. As they say, there's nothing you can't find when you look for it hard enough. And I got it at a pretty good price, too.
It's a pretty damn nifty one, too. It's super-lightweight, doesn't set off metal detectors, and easily concealable. The only problem is that it's kinda fragile.

It can fire rounds at an amazing rate, and it's got almost no muzzle flash, too. The ammo is cheap as hell, and it uses the advanced H2O cooling system.

Oh yeah, I feel like one bad-ass motherfucker when I'm carrying that baby around, I can tell you!


Here's a pic.
 
Ehrm... where exactly have I implied that I am in any way interested in owning, using or even holding a firearm? The mentality regarding firearms is totally different where I come from. Here you aren't considered a cool badass when you own a gun, but a dangerous and potentially disturbed violence-lover. Gun ownership is associated with criminals and homicidal trigger-happy veterans with PTSD. If you had that much weaponry and ammo in Croatia, very few people would want to hang out with you, and your chances of scoring a girl would be minimal.
 
Jebus said:
Here's a pic.
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So thats what passes for a standard military issue firearm in Belgium? Good luck during WW3...

I really like you Ratty so dont take this personally...

The excess amount of firearms in the USA is due to the second amendment which was created I REMIND PEOPLE not for the freedom to hunt or to own and distribute weapons. Its an important freedom to have the use of deadly force distributed. Ive heard people say that without some of the amendments the rest can be rendered useless. For example:

If there were no freedom of speech, but freedom of religion then those wanting to stop religion could simply claim that worship is a form of speech (which it is) and try to outlaw it.

Same with weapons. What would be the use of freedom of anything if the few who own weapons simply killed those who disagreed with them?

The second amendment was created under the idea of that "You are your own worst enemy." and its true. Do you find it odd that the USA is the oldest single government in the World? Weve never had our government had to be overthrown...they for the most part act on our behalf. Yet if they had all the power to kill...do you think they still would act on our behalf? What would stop them from making a country no different from Castro's Cuba or Stalin's USSR both of which had powerful and succesful gun control program's.

...and if anyone asks...I dont own any gun's nor do I plan to in the future.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
The_Vault_Dweller said:
Weve never had our government had to be overthrown...they for the most part act on our behalf. Yet if they had all the power to kill...do you think they still would act on our behalf?
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So you think the proper reaction to "some people have weapons" is not "sic the police on them" but "everyone should have weapons"? With that reasoning you could justify anything.

Edit: It dawned on me you think the police is just as big a problem, should they have weapons. But it does seem to work in most democracies other than the U.S.
 
Per said:
Edit: It dawned on me you think the police is just as big a problem, should they have weapons. But it does seem to work in most democracies other than the U.S.
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Exactly. If you don't trust the ability of your police force to protect you from harm and feel the need to own firearms to protect yourself, then something is seriously wrong with your country.
 
Ratty said:
If you don't trust the ability of your police force to protect you from harm and feel the need to own firearms to protect yourself, then something is seriously wrong with your country.
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this is true, but at the same time you must realize that the police forces in most nations are lacking in man power and the ability to cover every area 24/7.

there is also an addage here in the US that states a very good point: If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

ratty, i realize there is no point in arguing this subject with you because of the way you were brought up and your community's outlook on firearms... but you need to realize that there are areas in the world where gun ownership is legal, and encouraged by the community.
 
there is also an addage here in the US that states a very good point: If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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I can't help but be annoyed by this sentence: it states the fundamental onviction that two wrongs make a right. Instead of doing something about criminals owning guns, you make owning guns legal. You could also, of course, just make owning guns illegal, and stop the criminals. It works in most other countries.
If you want to live in a society where guns are legal, that's fine by me, but come up with some decent arguments at least.
 
It's beginning to look like we need another gun thread, people.

Obviously, things have been left unsaid.
 
For some reason that song makes me want to play GTA: San Andreas. It's time for my medicine, I guess.

*fires up Sid Meier's Pirates!*
 
o.O does anyone else think its odd that there is so much anti-gun support in a Fallout forum?

and while we're having fun with this.... its family guy quote time!
"Guns dont kill people, dangerous minorities do."
 
WarMonger said:
o.O does anyone else think its odd that there is so much anti-gun support in a Fallout forum?
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I don't think one's video game preferences have much to do with their attitude towards gun ownership.
 
Exactly. If you don't trust the ability of your police force to protect you from harm and feel the need to own firearms to protect yourself, then something is seriously wrong with your country.
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Sadly true.
his is true, but at the same time you must realize that the police forces in most nations are lacking in man power and the ability to cover every area 24/7.
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Again sadly true.
For example, where I live (Poland), many people don't trust the police because they are "under-equipped" (most equipment including guns is from the 70's, while in some outposts it's from the 60's), they just don't have the man power and the staff that is hired, doesn't get paid well enough to risk their health (and oftentimes their life).
But what's funniest of all - get this: the police is affraid of using guns at criminals because the criminals or the courts can sue the police! That's right.
Another funny thing about using guns in Poland: A Cop must first shout to the criminal: "Halt! Police!", then fire a warning shot, then (finally) he can shoot at the criminal BUT he must aim at his legs, to (get this): "not hurt the criminall".
there is also an addage here in the US that states a very good point: If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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True.
Instead of doing something about criminals owning guns, you make owning guns legal. You could also, of course, just make owning guns illegal, and stop the criminals. It works in most other countries.
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Riiiiight :wink:
 
WarMonger said:
o.O does anyone else think its odd that there is so much anti-gun support in a Fallout forum?
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What? Because there are guns in Fallout?

There are also drugs and whores in Fallout. Would you be surprised at any opposition to them inherent in these forums?
Or how's about ethnic cleansing? Genetic modification? Radiation poisoning? These are also in Fallout. Are you in favour of these? ;)

No, I agree with Ratty: game preference does not equal real life preference. Most video games that I play are violent, but I am not a violent person.

I do, however, understand the fascination with guns. Not regarding their purpose (ie. killing) but their form and operation: they are fascinating toys (of a sort).
 
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