Pirates!

Roflcore said:
Well it brings money to somalia and most of the time nobody gets hurt. Some insurrancy companies pay for the loss, but still make a huge profit over sucking at globalisation, so I don't really see much of the problem.
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No such thing as a victimless crime. But then again since they are rich I guess it is okay to rob them heh? Someone worked for the money that the companies have to pay.




and if i recall correctly it was blackbeard whom with his small pirate sloop captured a large warship and proceeded to scare the shit out of a lot of people with it in order to get some easy cash. ive feard a few stories of modern pirates trying to take the destroyers and the like and i am sitting here thinking that if they can turn off the tracking shit they'd have it made if they captured one of those ships....
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Modern war ships have a pretty big crew and can usually defend them selves in all directions. The most common way the pirates take the ships are by threatening the ships with rocket launchers.

You do that against a modern military vessel...well the indians kinda showed what would happen. Then again stranger things have happened in war. Turning of the tracking shit would probably be no problem. Getting away from the other military ships that would hunt them would never happen. Look how well the ship carrying Russian tanks is doing. It is still surrounded.
 
You do that against a modern military vessel...well the indians kinda showed what would happen. Then again stranger things have happened in war. Turning of the tracking shit would probably be no problem. Getting away from the other military ships that would hunt them would never happen. Look how well the ship carrying Russian tanks is doing. It is still surrounded.
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one is a big massive freight ship that has to have help to manouver anywhere but the open seas, the other are smaller vessals designed for the manouverability(as in destroyers and smaller) and actually even being able to disapear. in a lot of pirate havens there are so many coves and places to hide that they could just get away with it.
 
Loxley said:
No such thing as a victimless crime. But then again since they are rich I guess it is okay to rob them heh? Someone worked for the money that the companies have to pay.
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Of course its a crime, but not as big as many people and the media try to push it. "pirates are evil and kill for fun!!1 they deserve to die slowly!" - no not really. and like I said, I bet the company uses insurance to cover up the losses. oh and the people who produce surely don't loose money because of some pirateraidings. shareholders loose money (but mainly because some analyst says so). keeping those tanks away and heavy weapons might even be very good.
 
Roflcore said:
Loxley said:
No such thing as a victimless crime. But then again since they are rich I guess it is okay to rob them heh? Someone worked for the money that the companies have to pay.
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Of course its a crime, but not as big as many people and the media try to push it. "pirates are evil and kill for fun!!1 they deserve to die slowly!" - no not really. and like I said, I bet the company uses insurance to cover up the losses. oh and the people who produce surely don't loose money because of some pirateraidings. shareholders loose money (but mainly because some analyst says so). keeping those tanks away and heavy weapons might even be very good.
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ya..... insurance covering the losses, thats very good. right up to the point that the jack of their rates on everyone ass raping them for the losses they experienced.... real good time for all to be had....
 
Slaughter Manslaught said:
What if the United States army and airforce killed EVERYONE (and I mean everyone) in Somalia, would't that solve the problem?
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Yes.

But then the whiny liberals would go on and on about the United States committing genocide.

It's not genocide when we do it because we're the US OF A, LET'S ROCK BROTHA TRUCKA WOOOOOOO!!!
 
Roflcore said:
Would of course be better if "somebody" would fix or care about somalia, but that will never happen. lack of oil or so.
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Get real. There has been several attempts to "fix" Somalia with very bad results. Whole country would most likely be better off divided between the different tribes, instead of trying to create an artificial central government.

Piracy has been on the rise lately because of almost total lack of repercussions for the perpetrators. When your options are either back-breaking toil as a farmer with dubious results or incredible wealth with little danger, is it any wonder many will choose piracy? Violence stopped piracy on Caribbean and SE-Asia, violence will stop it now. Besides, they are not religious/ideological fanatics - they have no reason to commit suicide by detonating a ship while on board.

As soon as Ethiopia draws their troops away, the Islamist movement will most likely take over the country, install Sharia and all the other niceties and stabilize the country. Meanwhile, prompt response from military is a good stop-gap measure.

Rising costs for shipping isn't good for anyone. Where do you think the gasoline for your car comes from? Or the oil needed to make all the plastics you use by daily basis? Or many of the electronics or their parts you play with?

Cost of shipping goes up, cost of raw materials goes up, cost of products goes up and in the end it's the consumer who ends up paying more because couple of hundred guys were not contet with farming/herding but rather wanted to get rich quick.
 
Well it brings money to somalia and most of the time nobody gets hurt. Some insurrancy companies pay for the loss, but still make a huge profit over sucking at globalisation, so I don't really see much of the problem. Would of course be better if "somebody" would fix or care about somalia, but that will never happen. lack of oil or so. Oh and do I really need to mention that violence will not improve the situation? next pirates will be scared enough to needlessly kill the hostages and afterwards detonate the ship. nicely done blackwater & co. kill everyone, destroy everything. didn't work in iraq, why should it work here?
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well said roflcore I don't see any difference between institutionalized violence and empires and the pirates themselves as an alternative form of organized violent control. globalization is constantly screwing over indigenous peoples, and even this oil probably came from a country whose people are not benefitting from it.

I say that if oil is in somalia (which I don't know if this oil came from somalia, but for example, somalia) then let it stay in somalia and let it be used by the Somalians, not sold to europeans or Americans or chinese. It's called 'empire' when you benefit from the resources of other peoples and other lands.

Before when I said that the oil was a jackpot to the pirates, I meant because they could ransom it, not because they could build a refinery, contain it, transport and distribute it :p

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
some points here (against some points made here):
- many ships do carry small amounts of small arms for various reasons.
- a ship's captain has the authority to execute a stow-away in international waters. i doubt that shooting pirates in self-defense would be an issue.
- regardless of being armed, you don't want to be on an oil tanker hit by an anti-tank RPG...
- pirates rarely come alone. you might fend off one pathetic little vessle, but their buddies will come back and hammer your ship with hit & run attacks... you'd be surprised how easy it is to slow or even disable one of those big buckets of bolts that float around our seas...
- sniping on a fucking freighter aint easy... trust me. and skilled snipers are likely just as expensive as the insurrance policy you can buy, so why bother?
 
Roflcore said:
Well it brings money to somalia and most of the time nobody gets hurt. Some insurrancy companies pay for the loss, but still make a huge profit over sucking at globalisation, so I don't really see much of the problem.
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They are criminals, They are stealing something that does not belong to them by violent force. If someone came into your house at night would you let them steal all of your belongings even if it was insured?

I know I wouldn't, I keep a loaded M1 carbine by my bed and I would give them three in the chest and one in the head.

I am thrilled to see the governments of the world are actually taking action on this. I would have settled with PMCs shooting them and dumping them in the ocean but hey... If some real Navies want to get in on the action let them fire up the canons and hope some pictures are taken :D

Terribly sorry that your little vision of a noble pirate brotherhood robbing the rich for the poor will not come to fruition. I will however be sure to come back here and report a news article every time one of the scum bags get wasted.
 
Nah, BL's bleeping BS are the fun part.

3 scariest women in the world ..., it's ground zero. :lol:

I love the 2 kids, but it's too bad they got killed off early.

Still, the uncanny similarity is amusing to say the least.
 
Starseeker said:
2 words for you:

Black Lagoon.

:lol:
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Cheers! :drunk: Season 3 and more tankobons can't come fast enough.

I honestly don't give a damn and I have no sympathy for those being robbed, the question the Saudi's (and others who use pirate infested shipping lanes) have to ask is whether or not it's cost effective to fight the pirates or have insurance to cover the loses. So far, it seems like insurance is the better way to go. I certainly don't see any reason for intervention from the west or from the UN, let the businesses (like the Saudi Government) affected by it deal with it. Fortunately, the British government agrees and the US hasn't sent out their world police on this one.
 
UncannyGarlic said:
Fortunately, the British government agrees and the US hasn't sent out their world police on this one.
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Give it time, judging by the engagements already seen with these pirates we would crush them if we put enough power in the area.

Hopefully the British or Indian navy will eventually kill enough of them and they get the idea they are not equipped to take on a real fighting force and the states will not have to get involved.

We have bigger fish to fry in Afghanistan and possibly Pakistan.


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Also if I am reading this right pirates do not fall under protection of the Geneva Convention correct?


"in a distinction first made by the Romans and subsequently incorporated into international law by way of medieval European jurisprudence. As the eminent military historian, Sir Michael Howard, wrote in the October 2, 2001 edition of the Times of London, the Romans distinguished between bellum, war against legitimus hostis, a legitimate enemy, and guerra, war against latrunculi — pirates, robbers, brigands, and outlaws — "the common enemies of mankind."

The former, bellum, became the standard for interstate conflict, and it is here that the Geneva Conventions were meant to apply. They do not apply to the latter, guerra — indeed, punishment for latrunculi traditionally has been summary execution."

Honestly convention or not it really does not matter, kill them and dump them in the sea. I highly doubt anyone is going to miss a bunch of Somali pirates.
 
GreyViper said:
Who need Black water, when you have best merc team on the sale.
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/20-11-2008/106726-somali_pirates-0

Wonder if the Somalian pirates got this active after watching the POTC trilogy.
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While normally I am still stuck in the cold war mentality and hope many disasters fall upon Russia and its military (Most recent one that pleased me was the Nerpa incident) I salute them for this action and I hope they waste as many of the fuckers as possibile.
 
GarfunkeL said:
Rising costs for shipping isn't good for anyone. Where do you think the gasoline for your car comes from? Or the oil needed to make all the plastics you use by daily basis? Or many of the electronics or their parts you play with?

Cost of shipping goes up, cost of raw materials goes up, cost of products goes up and in the end it's the consumer who ends up paying more because couple of hundred guys were not contet with farming/herding but rather wanted to get rich quick.
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I would prefer that. sounds crazy, but right now our economy is purely based on growth and overconsumption, which is uhm dumb. So instead of a second plasma tv or a third monitor for the average german nerd their is some money for somalia. is that so bad?
 
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