Pirates!

SuAside said:
ceacar99 said:
lol and i thought blackwater would take just about anyone who knew what they were doing, ranging from americans to south americans, british pretty much anyone who would sign up.
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not as far as i know.

also, "know what they were doing" is mostly optional, nowadays. ;)
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I am pretty sure it is only Americans as well. For combat related roles I think they mainly look for Ex specials like Seals,Rangers,Recon,EOD etc. I also had someone told me they like former Marine infantry but I am not 100% on that.

That being said I do not know of any real reason why they would turn down former S.A.S. or Royal Marines. Perhaps they have a few in the ranks and I am just not aware of it.
 
Actually, if companies were going to hire mercs I don't see why they don't just hire successful pirates to do the job. It'd solve two problems with one stone, you'd reduce piracy by providing legitimate jobs and have experienced protection who knows the common tactics and strategies.
 
BunkerBud said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZX1odzHdAo&feature=related

blackwater mercenaries killing innocent civilians
awesome, no!!
fucking waste of air, yes
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Do you even bother researching or do you just accept left wing bloggers "facts" before checking them yourself?

That video was shot by a member of Aegis Defence Services, a U.K. based PMC.

"On October 27, 2005 a number of "trophy" videos showing private military contractors in Baghdad firing upon civilian vehicles without clear reason sparked two investigations after they were posted on the internet. The videos were linked unofficially to Aegis Defence Services. Both the US Army and Aegis conducted investigations into the video; while the Aegis report is closed for client confidentiality reasons, the US Army enquiry concluded that the contractors involved were operating within the rules for the use of force. More 4 News broadcast extracts of the videos in March 2006."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Defence_Services#Trophy_videos

An Aegis spokesman said: "There was no evidence of any civilian casualties as a result of the incidents and the images published were all taken out of context."

http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2006/06/aegis_cleared_o.asp

That Bush clip at the end was a cute little addition btw :wink:



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UncannyGarlic said:
Actually, if companies were going to hire mercs I don't see why they don't just hire successful pirates to do the job. It'd solve two problems with one stone, you'd reduce piracy by providing legitimate jobs and have experienced protection who knows the common tactics and strategies.
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Provided you could find some respectable pirates who you could trust to really protect your cargo and not stab you in the back when they benefit from it :P
 
sorry , i had that link bookmarked for about 3 months now.

funny thing : you're going to try to discredit me, by using wikipedia as a reference source?

very well done!
 
BunkerBud said:
sorry , i had that link bookmarked for about 3 months now.

funny thing : you're going to try to discredit me, by using wikipedia as a reference source?

very well done!
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Except in this case wikipedia is dead on and if you do not believe it feel free to go google what I posted. The Aegis incident is well known and it was just sloppy work on some bloggers part for that youtube title error.

I still think that Bush clip at the end was a precious addition :lol:

If you want more sources on the Aegis video I will be more than happy to post. Considering you seem to not like to do fact checking yourself I will help you out.

http://www.channel4.com/more4/news/news-opinion-feature.jsp?id=214

There is an article that I found on the wikipedia page I posted that is about the website lawsuit brought on from the motorist incident.
 
Aegis are a fucking bunch of retards. they hire everyone. it's a wonder that they even still exist if you look at the huge history of company screwups they've had over the past decades. it's unbelievable that they still exist while Executive Outcomes was shut down...

as for the shooting at civilians thing, that's out of context and US soldiers did the exact same thing at the time. they had a sign on the back not to approach them from behind. first they shoot on the ground before the car, then they shoot the engineblock. they do this to protect their convoy.
it's from a time a lot of cars were rigged with IEDs to blow up PMC and military vehicles.

i'm not saying it's nice, but at the time it was standard operating procedure.
 
Loxley said:
Slaughter Manslaught said:
Why the whole "Hire mercenaries, kill those pirates and liberate hostages" makes me think of Jagged Alliance?

I think it would make a great Jagged Alliance game.
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Take good old aim into a wartorn country to destroy pirate bases. The populace is too poor to defend themselves against the rich pirates. So you must defeat some local first warlords to get enough money to go after the pirates later on. Sounds like a game to me.
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Fuck yeah. Now all we need to do is wait for Bethesda to pick up the IP from whoever owns it and develop the game as a fps. Man, that would be fucking sweet! :mrgreen:








Wait.
What did I say.



Also:
"There was no evidence of any civilian casualties as a result of the incidents and the images published were all taken out of context."
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Sure. I mean, it's like when you see a video of some guy's brains being blown out. You don't have any proof that the guy is ACTUALLY dead, do you? You need tons of evidence to prove that in court, like knowing the guy's identity, proving that HE was there, not somebody that looks just like him, you need a coroner's report and you need trustworthy witnesses to connect the shooter with the time and place of the murder.
Besides, they're all muslims, who the fuck gives a shit about them anyway. Amirite?
 
The Raging Russian said:
Fucking morons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc-2iVQwBSE&feature=related
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Well thank god someone finally post a video that actually warrants some real investigation.

I am still mixed on the incident to be honest but I have pretty much adopted the attitude of "You cant make an omelet without breaking a few eggs".

Also in regards to the Blackwater Baghdad shootings, The FBI found 14 of the shootings were unjustified and narrowed it down to who they think was the most responsible.

As far as if charges are being brought against anyone as of yet I am not sure. The story seemed to kinda slip from the spotlight.




SuAside said:
as for the shooting at civilians thing, that's out of context
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Many of these videos are taking out of context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOGJIOAtelo

You say civilians? I say insurgents taking cover and returning fire.

"Yeah bitch your fucking done!" I love the Marines :lol:






dhomochevsky said:
Sure. I mean, it's like when you see a video of some guy's brains being blown out. You don't have any proof that the guy is ACTUALLY dead, do you?
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Did you even watch the video, check any sources on the incident, or read SuAsides post above yours?
 
As a matter of fact, I did. SuAside's post right before mine did a good job of explaining why videos like these could be taken out of context. But my affirmations were directly aimed at that certain quote, not at SuAside's post OR the procedure. The Aegis spokesman said that "the videos were taken out of context". I don't see any mention as to "how" were they taken out of context. He could've at least bothered to explain the entire procedure and why did the shootings look like that. All this time, the reports were closed due to "confidentiality issues". Hell, for all I know it might have been justified defense. But the video sure doesn't show that, and the MYSTARY aura on the whole thing doesn't help it.
 
dhomochevsky said:
As a matter of fact, I did. SuAside's post right before mine did a good job of explaining why videos like these could be taken out of context. But my affirmations were directly aimed at that certain quote, not at SuAside's post OR the procedure. The Aegis spokesman said that "the videos were taken out of context". I don't see any mention as to "how" were they taken out of context. He could've at least bothered to explain the entire procedure and why did the shootings look like that. All this time, the reports were closed due to "confidentiality issues". Hell, for all I know it might have been justified defense. But the video sure doesn't show that, and the MYSTARY aura on the whole thing doesn't help it.
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Well to be fair that was just one source from some news agency and they could have picked that quote at will from a more complete report just to add in the article they were writing.

All the same I misjudged your intentions and I apologize.


edit: back on the topic of pirates and the chemical ship they siezed:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5253731.ece

"British and Irish anti-piracy experts rescued - after pirates attack

Two British and one Irish security guard were plucked from the sea by a military helicopter yesterday after they jumped from a tanker seized by pirates off Somalia, leaving behind more than two dozen crew members."



this is the part of the article in particular I had to laugh at



"They fired water cannon at the pirates and zigzagged the vessel. They also used a long-range accoustic device that fires laser-like beams of excruciatingly painful sound at attackers."

WATER CANONS...? I mean really are you serious? Water Canons and acoustic devices that fire "excruciatingly painful sounds" against ak-47s and rpgs.

That would have been a turkey shoot for the guards if they had been properly armed.
 
water canons are for fending off Greenpeace! ;)

and Bal-Sagoth, you don't want a swarm of pirates firing RPGs at a chemical freighter...
 
SuAside said:
water canons are for fending off Greenpeace! ;)

and Bal-Sagoth, you don't want a swarm of pirates firing RPGs at a chemical freighter...
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I would not want them firing at it no, does not mean it would stop them from doing it. I am still surprised the "security" forces were not armed with more lethal weaponry.

Maybe next time what ever company they work for will send them a bit more prepared.


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"Shots fired as pirates attack Oceania cruise ship"

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/...eagues/MLB/Pittsburgh+Pirates/59258324.blog/1


These guys are eventually going to bite off more than they can chew. Just imagine what the response could have been if they actually hit one of the American vacationers.
 
spoke to an ship insurrance expert (retired captain-at-sea) and he told me that ships under the belgian flag generally are only allowed to transport one weapon, only to be used in times of dire need.

he also said, that in his day, they'd have simply waited for the tiny boats to come along side and to then dump all water ballast. this would pretty much sink any small vessel next to a bigass freighter he said.

but who knows, maybe the pirates are smarter nowadays.
 
SuAside said:
spoke to an ship insurrance expert (retired captain-at-sea) and he told me that ships under the belgian flag generally are only allowed to transport one weapon, only to be used in times of dire need.

he also said, that in his day, they'd have simply waited for the tiny boats to come along side and to then dump all water ballast. this would pretty much sink any small vessel next to a bigass freighter he said.

but who knows, maybe the pirates are smarter nowadays.
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:lol: I would like to see the water dumping trick.
 
Bal-Sagoth said:
:lol: I would like to see the water dumping trick.
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well, there's a good likelyhood that that is what the 3 "anti-piracy experts" tried to do, and failed miserably.
 
Let the hunt begin!

http://www.military.com/news/article/un-strips-pirates-of-somali-haven.html?col=1186032310810&wh=wh


UN Strips Pirates of Somali Haven
December 04, 2008
Mclatchy -Tribune News Service

UNITED NATIONS -- The UN Security Council has passed a resolution permitting member countries to enter the territorial waters of Somalia to fight piracy.

The U.S.-sponsored resolution, passed unanimously by the Security Council on Dec. 2, is valid for 12 months. It welcomes the recent initiatives taken by countries like India, Canada, France, Russia, Britain and the U.S. to counter piracy off Somali coast.
 
Bal-Sagoth said:
These guys are eventually going to bite off more than they can chew. Just imagine what the response could have been if they actually hit one of the American vacationers.
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I think it might take more than just one American casualty, but yeah I agree. If Obama decides to get his presidency going with a bang (and avoid peacenik labels while doing so) all he has to do is drop a few bombs, reroute part of the Navy, or send in some Special Forces. People might care about the plight of the Somali people, but most Americans won't care about a little collateral damage in taking down pirates if American lives are being lost.

Also more news in the multipolar world in which we live. Here's to hoping that the Russians make a detour to Somalian waters in their warship's trip around the world.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94REPNO1&show_article=1

And a Chinese general wants to get their navy into the fight.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/04/asia/AS-China-Piracy.php
 
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