/pol/shit, Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the shitposting

Pwener said:
If you couldn't get the joke with my Vatican post, then... well, I don't know what to say. Is this some new form of sarcasm?
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I've seen lots of larpers online who have no self awareness.

Pwener said:
They hate us because their religion tells them they should. Not too long ago I saw a video from a hidden camera planted in an Islam school and they were teaching kids that Hinduism was dumb and that does who practice it are dumb. That's called brainwashing.
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1: I used to go to a penetecostal church too and while I respect the people there, it along with a large portion of Christianity is too political instead of focusing on God. Large religions tend to include a lot of politics.

2: Hinduism does not make sense to any one who believes in the Abrahamic God

3: ancedotal

Off topic but I've been reading this thread and the hate people have on the OT, I do not understand. It's a series of books from mostly 1500 BC, there was barely any civilization beyond city states. The people back then had to fight against basic shit like starvation which was actually common in it. It has some pretty bad stuff in it, but the way people thought in those times was way different compared to now currently. I have not read the entire thing but I have read the first 5 books of the OT and I feel the fact modern christians tend to ignore the stories in it even when some stories like Job teach important lessons like always having faith in God is a combination of anti-semitism and modern arrogance, I think
 
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I went to California once. It was like another planet where everyone spoke with a rising terminal, elephant seals fought each other on the beach, and gas was $3.99 a gallon.
 
TorontRayne said:
The Book of Job portrays God as a prick though. I won't go into it more than that since it's off topic and /pol thread is serious business.
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Ya, but you have the perspective of a human living in 2018 in the west where you can not work and still survive from welfare in it. You are anthromorphizing a being that is beyond time and space in stories from when basic needs were not usually met actually.
 
TheHouseAlwaysWins said:
I have not read the entire thing but I have read the first 5 books of the OT and I feel the fact modern christians tend to ignore the stories in it even when some stories like Job teach important lessons like always having faith in God is a combination of anti-semitism and modern arrogance, I think
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>anti-semitism
What the fuck. Most Christian denominations (in the US) hold the Jews in exceedingly high regard. I think a far more likely explanation for the OT being mostly ignored is the fact that Christ dying on the cross was supposed to release the Christians from most if not all of the stuff the OT put on them. That's actually one of the reasons I laugh at fundies who cite Leviticus for one reason or another.

As for churches becoming political - well, religious stuff tends to include a lot of social commentary and criticism, giving it significant overlap with politics.
 
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Pariah Dog said:
>amitism
What the fuck.

As for churches becoming political - well, religious stuff tends to include a lot of social commentary and criticism, giving it significant overlap with politics.
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The way the OT thinks not just in terms of how barbaric it is but in the way it sees concepts like God is way different to Christianity.

The Old Testament goes out of its way to try and not anthromorphize God, God tends to dodge the question of his name to Moses because that is a human concept that gives humans dominion over other things where as God is above us, God usually talks through prophets and when he does appear, its an abstract form like a burning bush or a cloud, and the religion of Judaism itself takes the commandment of idolatry very seriously I have noticed and the religious ones will go out of their way to censor the word God because of how holy the word is actually. If you contrast this to what Christians believe God is more "human" because of Christ.

I've hung around a bunch of religious communities online since I find the topic interesting and smaller religions are usually not as political. I am half asleep so I might not make sense on i.t
 
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TheHouseAlwaysWins said:
Ya, but you have the perspective of a human living in 2018 in the west where you can not work and still survive from welfare in it. You are anthromorphizing a being that is beyond time and space in stories from when basic needs were not usually met actually.
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Well, since you want to get personal:

Yes, I am looking at a story that was likely copied from previous sources, about a supposed morally superior being making a bet with one of his "Angels" (which he set us up to fail with for reasons), who then curses Job to pain and misery, killing his family in the process...I did read the whole Bible btw.

When Job says "Hey God! Why are you doing this?" God responds with the worst argument a living being could possibly imagine...

"WERE YOU THERE WHEN I MADE THE UNIVERSE? DO YOU HOLD THE GALAXY TOGETHER? HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS!?

But it's ok because Job got more wives and kids and shit in the end. Such a great story. We were so lucky to have thousands of years of people killing each other over worshiping slightly different interpretations of the same fucking God. The OT God is a massive prick. Without the New Testament the religion would have never reached the West. The religion as it exists today is nothing like it was intended.

If you are arguing it's value on our culture I am not disputing that, but claiming it was some beacon of enlightenment in a dark and savage world when other religions preached the same thing is absurd.
 
TorontRayne said:
Well, since you want to get personal:

Yes, I am looking at a story that was likely copied from previous sources, about a supposed morally superior being making a bet with one of his "Angels" (which he set us up to fail with for reasons), who then curses Job to pain and misery, killing his family in the process...I did read the whole Bible btw.
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The moral of the story is to always have faith in God, Job was one of the ones that had it the worst so if he had faith, so why can't the average person retain faith in God through bad times? Is having faith in God considered a bad moral currently?


TorontRayne said:
But it's ok because Job got more wives and kids and shit in the end. Such a great story. We were so lucky to have thousands of years of people killing each other over worshiping slightly different interpretations of the same fucking God. The OT God is a massive prick. Without the New Testament the religion would have never reached the West. The religion as it exists today is nothing like it was intended.
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The way Judaism and Islam view God is completely different to the way Christians view it. The former two despite their differences are strictly monothestic and take the commandment of not bearing an image unto God very seriously. Christianity, because of its western influences sees God in concepts like the Trinity where God is made of 3 parts and The Creation of Adam by Michealanglo which directly depicts God as a human being is considered fine art and was commissioned by the Catholic church a while ago even though the Byzantines actually would have probably smashed it

TorontRayne said:
If you are arguing it's value on our culture I am not disputing that, but claiming it was some beacon of enlightenment in a dark and savage world when other religions preached the same thing is absurd.
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So what do you value in a culture actually?[/quote][/QUOTE]
 
TheHouseAlwaysWins said:
The moral of the story is to always have faith in God, Job was one of the ones that had it the worst so if he had faith, so why can't the average person retain faith in God through bad times? Is having faith in God considered a bad moral currently?
The way Judaism and Islam view God is completely different to the way Christians view it. The former two despite their differences are strictly monotheistic and take the commandment of not bearing an image unto God very seriously. Christianity, because of its western influences sees God in concepts like the Trinity where God is made of 3 parts and The Creation of Adam by Michelangelo which directly depicts God as a human being is considered fine art and was commissioned by the Catholic church a while ago even though the Byzantines actually would have probably smashed it
So what do you value in a culture actually?
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I know what the moral is supposed to be. Have you actually read The Book of Job/OT at all though? It fails miserably as a story for two reasons really. First, God is written as a petulant child that if angered will destroy innocent people, and if you question him, you get told "I'm God bitch" with the disclaimer that we are too stupid to understand his ways. Secondly, it's all based on a bet that the Devil pitches to God. Have you noticed how Satan is on a speaking basis with God? Almost like the Garden was all a setup and God feigned some sort of anger and shock over us being mislead into eating the "Fruit".

Addressing your second point I completely disagree. The only differences are cultural. The stupid little differences are all human ones, not based on any notion of what a JUST God would allow or condone. The stories are all the same with varying degrees of differences related to the place in which the religion evolved. You can trace the nature of this evolution by the migratory patterns and historical data and linguistics. I could break it down for you since it is a topic I am heavily invested in, but as I said off topic.

What I value in culture? Not DOGMA based on nonsense that is for sure.
 
As someone who was raised very Catholic, OT God was one of the reasons I went Pagan. I don't judge anyone for believing anything (as I stated before), but you have to understand that without the New Testament the Bible would essentially be chronicling the exploits of a cosmic psychopath. It's only because of the crucifixion and Christ that the Bible even stands morally; the themes of love and acceptance of all are New Testament creations.

I hate to take sides, because I always preach unity, but I'm firmly on TorontRanyne's (or up his ass...just so the joke has already been made) on this one.

Modern religion and the issues therein are dictated by humans. Have been since the Medieval times. Like the man said, it's not based on what a just God would do, but rather conforms to the prejudices and personalities of the worshippers. If you're Christian, fine. If you're Muslim, fine. Jewish, fine. But have the sense of awareness to recognize that the OT does not stand as a moral book. Any morality it preached became obsolete long ago.
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
As someone who was raised very Catholic, OT God was one of the reasons I went Pagan. I don't judge anyone for believing anything (as I stated before), but you have to understand that without the New Testament the Bible would essentially be chronicling the exploits of a cosmic psychopath. It's only because of the crucifixion and Christ that the Bible even stands morally; the themes of love and acceptance of all are New Testament creations.

I hate to take sides, because I always preach unity, but I'm firmly on TorontRanyne's (or up his ass...just so the joke has already been made) on this one.

Modern religion and the issues therein are dictated by humans. Have been since the Medieval times. Like the man said, it's not based on what a just God would do, but rather conforms to the prejudices and personalities of the worshippers. If you're Christian, fine. If you're Muslim, fine. Jewish, fine. But have the sense of awareness to recognize that the OT does not stand as a moral book. Any morality it preached became obsolete long ago.
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Exactly. The argument that God has reasons for doing fucked up shit is nonsense for so many reasons...but I won't give them because reasons.

WERE YOU HERE IN 2005 WHEN WOOZ AND WELSH AND ODIN AND BROTHER NONE WALKED THESE HALLS!?
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
Unfortunately no; I started lurking here around 2016, and only joined recently.
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Haha. I wasn't asking you. I was simply saying if you put God logic on anything nobody is accountable for their actions because they are infallible. Makes a proper debate or conversation hard to come by with God I bet.
 
TerminallyChill said:
I just want to say this is all pretty fucking enlightening for a political shitpost thread.
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something something MAGApedes something something BUILD THE WALL

I think that within the next 4 years there is going to be an open Tea Party-esque rebellion within the Democratic Party and shit's going to get really funny. (I mean, the Tea Party was fucking hilarious in retrospect, so, yeah.)
 
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Pariah Dog said:

something something MAGApedes something something BUILD THE WALL
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I TAKE EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT HIM BEING UNATTRACTIVE BACK.

Pariah Dog said:
I think that within the next 4 years there is going to be an open Tea Party-esque rebellion within the Democratic Party and shit's going to get really funny. (I mean, the Tea Party was fucking hilarious in retrospect, so, yeah.)
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You are spot on. It's likely going to consist of reactionary third wave feminists who insist socialism and political correctness are the answers to all of our problems. Everybody loves a simplified solution.
 
I vote for cutting extra bases in parts of the world that do not want our protection.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321

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Italy

Hundreds of bases in Europe have closed since the 1990s, but the base and troop ( 11,500) presence in Italy has been relatively constant. Recently, the military has built new bases and expanded Africa-focused operations in Sicily.

Japan

During the Cold War, U.S. forces occupied hundreds of bases in Japan and the Pacific to surround China and the Soviet Union. Since 1995, anti-base protests have escalated in Okinawa, where there are still more than 30 bases.

Honduras

A “temporary” base has existed since 1982, allowing officials to claim there’s no U.S. base in Honduras while circumventing the Honduran constitution’s prohibition against a permanent foreign troop presence. Some suspect the base’s involvement in a 2009 military coup.

Burkina Faso

A “cooperative security location” in Ouagadougou reflects a new generation of small, clandestine “lily pad” bases appearing in countries with little previous U.S. military presence. At least 11 such bases in Africa host special operations forces, drones and surveillance flights.

Iraq

There were 505 bases at the U.S. occupation’s height, but the Iraqi parliament rejected the Pentagon’s wish to keep 58 “enduring” bases after the 2011 withdrawal. U.S. forces have occupied at least five bases since 2014 and are considering more installations.

Thailand

The Pentagon rents space at U-Tapao Naval Air Base from a contractor, allowing U.S. and Thai officials to insist there’s no U.S. “base” and no inter-governmental basing agreement. The base was a major logistics hub for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Philippines

The Philippines evicted U.S. forces from massive bases in the 1990s. Since 2002, at least 600 U.S. troops have deployed to help Filipino forces combat insurgents from some seven lily pads; 6,000 U.S. troops have operated temporarily under the cover of military exercises.
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Let God sort them out. I'm sure he will say:

WERE YOU THERE WHEN I SACRIFICED MY SON ON THE CROSS!?

And who could blame them for wanting us out?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/12/opinion/la-oe-frank-honduras-drug-war-20130212

We need one of those in Mexico. I think...in a few decades maybe. :V
 
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