POLL: Trump or Hillary

[olestra]

"With fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch . . ."

almost no one who refers to lucky rabbits feet actually has one, so i doubt the remark about sacrificing chickens was serious--unless you're an idiot. clinton's support of the honduran coup is already serious enough--if you're not right-wing. otherwise it's pretty "pro-american" and anti-cuba and venezuela.

 

[Vergil]

My country has had free Healthcare and Education for several decades now, and that worked just fine for us.

And how big is your country population wise compared to America? Sweden used to be a socialist paradise before the crazy immigration but thats because they had a smaller, homogebous population with the US paying for its defense.
Also depending on the country I wouldnt exactly call it "working just fine"

Why do you think it wouldn't work in America?

Because we already tried Obamacare and it was a nightmare and Boynie's plan would add trillions onto the debt and even worse taxes.

"With fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch . . ."

almost no one who refers to lucky rabbits feet actually has one, so i doubt the remark about sacrificing chickens was serious--unless you're an idiot.

Right, thats totally normal shit for two politicians to saybti eachother in personal corespondence and when combined with eveything else such as the spirit cooking fiasco and pedophillic sex slavery its not suspicious at all.
Please stop responding to me if all your going to do is an idiot amd ignore blatent evidence because "hurr durr it dun mean nuffin".

 

[olestra]

And how big is your country's population wise compared to America?
Also depending on the country I wouldnt exactly call it "working just fine"

Because we already tried Obamacare and it was a nightmare and Boynie's plan would add trillions onto the debt and even worse taxes.

Right, thats totally normal shit for two politicians to saybti eachother in personal corespondence and when combined with eveything else such as the spirit cooking fiasco and pedophillic sex slavery its not suspicious at all.
Please stop responding to me if all your going to do is an idiot amd ignore blatent evidence because "hurr durr it dun mean nuffin".

could you link that?

 

[Vergil]

could you link that?

The disasterous results of bernie's proposes tax plan and programs or the wikileaks emails?

 

[olestra]

The disasterous results of bernie's proposes tax plan and programs or the wikileaks emails?

proof that hillary clinton is paedophile, not some gif from /pol/ made by a paedophile

 

[Crni Vuk]

The disasterous results of bernie's proposes tax plan and programs or the wikileaks emails?

What's Trumps program to improve the economy? What is his Tax plan?
I mean this here in particular, doesn'T strike me like it would be a very detailed plan that is so much better - not to mention that it also says 'more taxes to the rich'.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan

 

[olestra]

incidentally now i'm curious what kind of nonsense finally got illuminati confirmed banned

 

[Vergil]

proof that hillary clinton is paedophile, not some gif from /pol/ made by a paedophile

http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/11/source-fbi-has-evidence-hillary-visited-orgy-island/

 

[Jogre]

And how big is your country population wise compared to America? Sweden used to be a socialist paradise before the crazy immigration but thats because they had a smaller, homogebous population with the US paying for its defense.

Well the UK has a population of 64 million. Not exactly a small homogenous population.

Also depending on the country I wouldnt exactly call it "working just fine"

What do you mean?, before cuts were being made, the health service and education system were working fine over here.

and even worse taxes.

>Taxes ridiculously low compared to the rest of the western world
>Says "Even worse taxes" despite currently having to pay barely any tax.
Flawless Logic.

 

[Vergil]

What's Trumps program to improve the economy? What is his Tax plan?
I mean this here in particular, doesn'T strike me like it would be a very detailed plan that is so much better - not to mention that it also says 'more taxes to the rich'.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan

The page literally goes into detail about what he plans to do and even provides more links did you actually bother to read it?
Also all he said was "fair share" which isnt wrong. They would pay their actually fair share and not a super increase above everyone else.

 

[Crni Vuk]

It states his goals, not so much the 'details' of his policy. Anyone who thinks that a short describtion is enough to cover all the macroeconomic and microeconomic effects, is in my opinion disillusioned.


Anyway.
I am not sure how accurate this is, but it if it's true, it sure is interesting.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full

Mr. Trump’s tax reform plan would boost incentives to work, save, and invest, and has thepotential to simplify the tax code. By lowering marginal tax rates andfurther limiting or repealingmany tax expenditures, it would reduce the incentives and opportuny ties to engage in some forms of wasteful tax avoidance. However, the plan could increase incentives for workers to characterize themselves as independent contractors, to take advantage of the lower tax rate on business income, unless new rules were introduced to prevent this. The proposal would cut taxes on households at every income level, but much more as a share of income at the top. The fundamental concern theplan poses is that, barring extraordinarily large cuts in government spending or future tax increases, it would yield persistently large, and likely unsustainable, budget deficits.

Anyway, cuting the income of the state to fight debts ... sounds a bit fishy anyway.

But yes, Bernies idea of taxing the rich to increase income, - which is also a gross simplification of his tax program - was of course just pure shit I guess.

 

[Vergil]

Well the UK has a population of 64 million.

Yes and the US is about 5x larger than that.

What do you mean?, before cuts were being made, the health service and education system were working fine over here.

https://fee.org/articles/national-health-insurance-a-medical-disaster/
I mean national healthcare is great if you want a tax increase, long waiting lists and poorer service due to lack of competition.

>Taxes ridiculously low compared to the rest of the western world
>Says "Even worse taxes" despite currently having to pay barely any tax.
Flawless Logic.

>everyone else has super shitty socialism that drives up their taxes
>our shitty taxes are then ok because they're not AS shitty as socialist Europe
Whoa really puts things into perspective..... if things are bad but not AS BAD then theres no reason to complain!

Anyway, cuting the income of the state to fight debts ... sounds a bit fishy anyway.

Lol your complain about over simplification of tax plans and then do it yourself xD

But yes, Bernies idea of taxing the rich to increase income, - which is also a gross simplification of his tax program - was of course just pure shit I guess.

Right, what's gonna fix an exploding national debt but more expensive government programs?
wtf I'm #FeelinTheBern now!


I love how Hillary literally has 5 FBI investigations, at the very least surrounds her self with occult crazies sacrificing chickens and shit, has been implicated in participating in a child sex slaver's private get together and has some new horrifying and actually proven scandal coming out almost everyday but you people's hate erection for Trump let's you just ignore that altogether.

 

[Jogre]

https://fee.org/articles/national-health-insurance-a-medical-disaster/
I mean national healthcare is great if you want a tax increase, long waiting lists and poorer service due to lack of competition.

As opposed to the American system, where poor people become even poorer because they have to pay for becoming sick or injured.

I'd rather everyone have access to some basic level of treatment, then the rich having access to top-quality treatment.

 

[Crni Vuk]

What's the problem with an tax increase? It's not like you're suddenly paying 500$ more per month in taxes. Particulary as how EVERY politican will tell you how they want to lower taxes, but in the end they have to increase them either way. Which is understandable, to anyone who has the slightest knowledge about economy. We're not in the 1850s anymore. Productivty is as high like never before and the taxes reflect in some sense the living standard of the people. Even if you're not thinking about health care or social security here, but the government has to somehow also get the necessary funds to actually keep the infrastructure in good conditions, which is also a huge problem in the US by the way. How they want to work on that, with tax cuts, is completely beyond me.

What they really have to tackle, is the disparity in income between lower, midle and higher classes. There is no rational reason behind the idea that someone earns 200 times as much like the average worker. Jobs which have been once considered by students have become the norm for many people and they can barrely support their families with it.

But yeah, for some reason some believe that cuting taxes but not demanding a minimum wage is the way to go ...

 

[Vergil]

As opposed to the American system, where poor people become even poorer because they have to pay for becoming sick or injured.

I'd rather everyone have access to some basic level of treatment, then the rich having access to top-quality treatment.

I'd rather people be able to actually get treatment at all than get even worse as they wait to be seen and get lower-quality healthcare instead of everyone taking a huge tax hit to pay for everyone elses potential health problems. Again, I actually think universal healthcare can work under certain circumstances.... but not in most countries, not anymore.

What's the problem with an tax increase? It's not like you're suddenly paying 500$ more per month in taxes. Particulary as how EVERY politican will tell you how they want to lower taxes, but in the end they have to increase them either way. Which is understandable, to anyone who has the slightest knowledge about ecnomy. We're not in the 1850s anymore. Productivty is as high like never before and the taxes reflect in some sense the living standard of the people. Even if you're not thinking about health care or social security here, but the government has to somehow also get the necessary funds to actually keep the infrastructure in good conditions, which is also a huge problem in the US by the way. How they want to work on that, with tax cuts, is comletely beyond me.

Well considering we already pay loads of taxes like federal income tax and our roads are still shit and most of it goes towards a growing national debt..... don't really see a massive tax increase as a magical fix all there friend.
You do know there are other ways to get money besides ripping it out of American's hands right? Like maybe renegotiate trade deals where we lose billions in deficits?

What they really have to tackle, is the disparity in income between lower, midle and higher classes.

No we don't.

There is no rational reason behind the idea that someone earns 200 times as much like the average worker.

Yes there is. If you run the entire fucking company it's not that ridiculous you don't make the same amount as a factory worker and vice versa. I know in the liberal socialist fantasy all capitalists are evil monopoly caricatures twirling their mustaches while they whip poor factory workers but I don't think that successful people deserve and automatic punishment and that view is why people are leaving and moving their businesses to China and Mexico.

Jobs which have been once considered by students have become the norm for many people and they can barrely support their families with it.

And how will making those people have to pay even more taxes help....?
We need to get more jobs in the country and keep them there.

But yeah, for some reason some believe that cuting taxes but not demanding a minimum wage is the way to go ...

We already have a minimum wage.

 

[Hassknecht]

Americans pay loads of taxes. Top kek.

 

[Jogre]

I'd rather people be able to actually get treatment at all than get even worse as they wait to be seen and get lower-quality healthcare.

Nobody I know has ever been held back by having to wait for treatment. This idea that you have long waits for treatment, and it's somehow low quality is a complete myth with little-to-no-basis.

Well considering we already pay loads of taxes

LMAO

And how will making those people have to pay even more taxes help....?

Because it means that they won't have to get in to huge amounts of debt just to cure life-threatening conditions.

 

[Vergil]

Amazing how every country throughout history (including some of the biggest Empires ever) managed to "somehow" not just utterly implode immediately without a federal income tax but clearly we totally need a portion of our wages automatically taken from us now.
And yea our taxes may not be as high as liberal socialist shithole Europe right now but that doesn't mean it's "good". Maybe if you guys have such a high tax problem socialism might have been a mistake perhaps? It's laughable considering the situation Europe is in right now to say we need to be more like them.

 

[Jogre]

Amazing how every country throughout history (including some of the biggest Empires ever) managed to "somehow" not just utterly implode immediately without a federal income tax but clearly we totally need a portion of our wages automatically taken from us now.

Amazing how up until the modern era, only the rich were able to afford education, there were very few health and safety laws, children were able to work in dangerous factories, common people were dropping dead of dysentery because the government couldn't be bothered to make sewers, and most people died at the doctors due to them having no idea whatsoever how to deal with basic ailments.

When you look at those great historical countries, do you ever consider how crappy they were for the working class?

 

[olestra]

has been implicated in participating in a child sex slaver's private get together

this is the same accusation against trump citing an unnamed source by the media. i look up both epstein and trump and epstein and clinton and just get garbage, and more of it accuses trump of fucking a 13 year old (and a 12 year old)--incidentally a lawyer with an actual name was actually willing to touch that.

nothing from your link cites anything apart from marina abramovic nonsense that i dont care about. the only claim of contact with someone wrt either clinton accessing child sex slaves through epstein in the nypd who can apparently leak fbi information, "i know a guy who knows a guy, don't ask questions" just a bunch of fake news sites like wnd who release no details.