And here we go again with the scientific racism.
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Jogre
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There are differences between races, but the point we are making is that race doesn't impact on whether or not you are part of a culture
Like someone who was born in germany, and whose parents were born in germany, and whose parents parents, ect. isn't any less German just because they happen to have genetic differences to most of the population.
Hey point out where I called Germans the master race and innately superior?
Oh wait just pointing out that not everyone is exactly the same is racist.... my bad.
Yes science is racist now. We need to ban all geneticists WE'RE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
*closes eyes and plugs ears to make the bad words go away*
Say, how can diversity be our greatest strength if we're all the same?
Like, you can partake in the same culture as them but it won't make you a member of that people.
I will admit I did fuck up a bit by using the word "culture" in the wrong place a few times but the point still stands that just because you act like a certain group of people won't make you that group. I'm never going to be a member of the Chinese or Japanese people. I'm not related to them genetically at all, I don't share any of their traits, nothing. I will always be innately different to them. I have certain traits (behavioral too, not just physical) that come from my genetic makeup that will make me stick out like a sore thumb.
For example dogs.
They can all breed with eachother but some are smarter than others, some are more energetic, some more aggressive etc.
And then of course theres the obvious physical differences. Some are faster, slower, better at jumping, have fucked noses that make it hard to breath etc.
Is this racist too or does the kneejerk reaction kinda wear off once you use puppers as an example instead?
I would use behavioral differences in different races for examples but then of course that's more "scientific racism" to simply point out that differences exist.
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Antiwarprofallout
It Wandered In From the Wastes
This is hitting the nail on the head. The reason that diversity is a good thing genetically is because folk are different; this allows the goodness of different folk to combine and make better folk, while the badness is weeded out.
Take note, this is essentially the opposite of nazi arguments.
Ilosar
Vault Fossil
Who said there are no differences at all and we're all the same? I said there are traits common to certain ethnicities and populations, but there's no such thing as a german race with a little flag tatooed on your double helix. There are, at best, genetic similarities among large ethnic groups that serve to explain common traits, but that's not the same thing at all.
I mean, hell, you talk of China of all places as if it's a humongous mass of identical people. The Han are a dominant ethnicity, but there's tons of others, including Muslims that don't look at all like ''typical'' Chinese. Natives are still Americans. Brazil has loads of white and black people, they're all Brazilians. The United Kingdoms house several distinct cultures and religions. Same for South Africa. Russia is a big melting pots of ethnicities and cultures outside of the eastern parts of the country (much as the central government wished otherwise during certain times in history), and let's not even get into places like the Balkans or Turkey if we want to keep our sanity. Even in France, try to tell a Marseillais he's the same as a Parisian and you're gonna get side-eyed. Better yet, say it to a Corsican.
The point comes back to this; you can, indeed, be black and german at the same time. Accept it, or don't, I care not which. And trying to use genetics to disprove that doesn't hit home, at all.
I mean, hell, you talk of China of all places as if it's a humongous mass of identical people. The Han are a dominant ethnicity, but there's tons of others, including Muslims that don't look at all like ''typical'' Chinese. Natives are still Americans. Brazil has loads of white and black people, they're all Brazilians. The United Kingdoms house several distinct cultures and religions. Same for South Africa. Russia is a big melting pots of ethnicities and cultures outside of the eastern parts of the country (much as the central government wished otherwise during certain times in history), and let's not even get into places like the Balkans or Turkey if we want to keep our sanity. Even in France, try to tell a Marseillais he's the same as a Parisian and you're gonna get side-eyed. Better yet, say it to a Corsican.
The point comes back to this; you can, indeed, be black and german at the same time. Accept it, or don't, I care not which. And trying to use genetics to disprove that doesn't hit home, at all.
Jogre
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There have been black people living in England for more than 200 years now.
They have lived in England, shared customs with the English, had an impact on our society,for 200 years.
They share very few customs with the people from the lands they were first descended from.
Do those people count as less English as white English people, and if so, why?
That's..... not what I was getting at, at all.
Diversity is a bad thing because it causes inevitable conflict between the two peoples and at a genetic level mixing can cause defects such as higher risks of certain mental disorders. Theres a reason a lot of people who are mixed have trouble getting replacement organs.
They're not Englishmen. They have certain genetic traits different from your average Anglo Englishmen. They'll always be predisposed to the things their race is predisposed to good or bad.
Are you talking about looks or genetics now? There are so many scientific 'terms' thrown around here like as Vergil, or anyone of us would actually understand what they/we are talking about.
For example, all humans that exist today, the Homo Sapiens Sapiens are from the same branch which explains why there are no 'sub-species' in the family of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, where as the Neanthertal was a subspecies in the Homo family.
Do we all agree at least on the out of Africa theory?
Antiwarprofallout
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Well I think the distinction should be made between folk and culture. Culturally, they're probably 100% English, but they might not be apart of the folk as a result of a lack of breeding into the population. If they did though? Yeah they probably are English.
I mean, I doubt Vergil will say Sargon of Akkad isn't English because he's part black; it's more of a question of breeding into the population rather than being accepted by the government or culture.
I mean, I doubt Vergil will say Sargon of Akkad isn't English because he's part black; it's more of a question of breeding into the population rather than being accepted by the government or culture.
Antiwarprofallout
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Oh wow I went into this from a different angle than anyone
Ilosar
Vault Fossil
I...
OK, there's literally no other way to read this other than bona fide racism. I gave the benefit of the doubt, but it's gone now.
I guess Alexandre Dumas wasn't French either, despite being one the nation's best, most well known authors, and that being black ''predisposed'' him to be, well, whatever black people are. Such a load of crap.
Yeah, but if they lived for 200+ years in Britain ... at which point DOES someone become British then? If you use that kind of logic, then you would have to rule out pretty much half of the population in Britain, considering how often the isle has seen some 'changes'. If anything, the British language is a testimony to that, beeing a weird mix of Germanic, French, Latin and who knows what else.
I mean what is the criteria here? Skin colour? Or if someone can trace his ancestors back to the last ice age?
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
If both peoples approached each-other acceptingly, and focused on there shared values/interests/ideals, then why would that lead to inevitable conflict?
Why do you think that 2 people with slight differences will always be hostile towards each other?, Because that seems to have no basis whatsoever.
So what would they be then?
No.
How? Tell me how this is fucking racist?
Link me the White Supremacism in my posts?
WHERE DID I CLAIM ANYONE WAS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE ELSE!?!?!
It's simple, you don't like what I'm saying so you're screaming racist to get away from having to actually formulate an argument against it.
The only thing I've put forth is that people from different races are different.
That's fucking it, I never said one race was predisposed to being fucking shit while one race was predisposed to being the perfect masterrace. I'm saying everyone has different strengths and weaknesses you fucking mong.
What does race have to do with being a good author.....?
The only person coming across as racist is you, I never said blacks can't be authors.
He was mixed you idiot.
Genes
If everyone just held hands and sang "we are the world" we'd also have world peace, doesn't mean the entirety of history doesn't prove that, that's just not possible.
Well
A: I'm talking about a bigger pictures than just 2 people
B: >slight differences
Where are they from racially?
What are genes that only people on the British isles have? There you go.
Antiwarprofallout
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Well it's probably having a good share of what could be defined as British genes.
Culturally is of course when they accept the culture.
What are 'British' genes and how do you define them? Again, at which point does someone become 'British' for you?
Jogre
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But people from Northern England have several genetic differences with people from Southern England. Do Northern or Southern English people count as being English?
Someone from Britainny would have very different genes from someone from Paris, do they both count as being French?
People from Saxony probably have genetic differences to people from Baravia?, Which of them are German?
valcik
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Nationality is a matter of law, not genetics, period.
Nothing to see here folks, move along!
Nothing to see here folks, move along!
Throatpunch
Banned
Please.
They still have enough genetic similarity between them to be consider the same race.
Now that depends on what your definition of "nation" and "Nationality" is.
Wow, really added a lot to the conversation there didn't you.
Please.
Don't you have a pointless thread thats a copy of 4 threads you've already created to make?
Fun fact, if you think this thread needs to be deleted so bad theres a handy "report" button for you to use instead of announcing your displeasure as if anyone cares.