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Ilosar
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And what difference does it makes to you? What difference should it make? If some dude born in Haiti ends up being a legal canadian citizen, far as I'm concerned he's canadian. I'm not going to make an arbitrary distinction because he's black, don't give no fucks on which pile of rock he was born. Given the process to become a citizen, at this point he also probably knows more about canadian culture and history than most of the white population anyway.
Being "german" by itself is a relatively new thing, anyway. There was no "Germany" until about 140 years ago. "Germany" has always been a rather artificial construct made simply to embrace all those who speak German. The culture still varies greatly from north to south and east to west and every combination therein. Being "german" means a lot of things, but not "being white" or "being genetically rooted in this arbitrary region".
Culture also involves ETHNICITY. French people are culturally and ethnically diverse from say Germans or Spanish.
"German culture" also involves the "Germanic ethnicity"
The German people are ethnically unique from others.
Well Im going to go with the scienticially proven "interpretation" lol
If my kid was born in China and raised there he still wouldnt be Chinese. He'd be my race who grew up Chinese. No one in China woukd consider him just another Chinamen just like them and itd be werid for them to lol
There are intrinsic differences among the races.
But there was still a German language, race and culture. There was still a German people even if they werent united under one flag
Being German means being a member of the German people. German is a unique racial makeup and not just an artifical name a group of random different people justbdecided to call eachother. At a genetic level you can see the difference between a German and same a Pole.
Simply crossing the border and staying for a while wont change your ethnicity.
For example there are visible traits that people can see about certain races. Besides my last name people can tell I have some German ancestry because I have some Germanic features.
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Jogre
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Except that most european ethnicities are ultimately just different combinations of Germanic/Latin descent, so ultimately any differences between them are far more minor than you are making them out to be.
And besides, what makes an ethnicity in your view?, Do different regions of countries have different ethnicities, because there are bound to be differences there?, What if there were slight differences in people from different counties?, or between towns?, at what point does this become tedious.
Races: Yes, Culture: No
Your child would be Culturally Chinese.
He wouldn't be asian, so he wouldn't share the same race/descent as them, but he would be the same culture as them, and because he shares the culture native to China, I'd say it would be understandable to call him Chinese.
Similarly, if someone was born in france, and shares french culture, I'd say it would be acceptable to call them french, because they would culturally be french. Same with being British, Spanish, German, whatever.
I disagree, I see arguing online as a Socratic exercise, trying to test how your attitudes/ideas/beliefs fare when challenged, and as a way of articulating your points.
Lol you're very clearly out of your depth here thats not even remotely correct at all xD
Well its not my "view".
Literally if you do not have the genes of the German race youre not German. Its really not that hard to understand .
No Germanic blood = not a member of the German people.
Race is a part of culture.
They still wouldnt be Chinese because they have no Chinese genes. Theyre not a member of the Chinese people because they act like them.
Theyll still never be a member of those peoples if they lack the proper genetic makeup
So you take a German living on the north of the country, a German on the south, one from the west one from the east, and compare their genetic make-up and its...highly similar, not to say same?
And then you cross, dunno, 100km from Germany's border, either way, take genetic make-up from those people living there and they are radically different from the "germanic" genes?
Biggest load of pseudo-scientific crap I've heard today.
Tell me, what makes you an American then? Was Cochise your great-grandfather or something?
They'll have differences but they'll have all the same genes that define the race.
They might have minor changes but overall theyre the same race.
Depends on where you go. Race has no borders and is why its useless to assign someond as a membed of the German people simply becaise they stayed in those borders for awhile.
If you go to some of the land taken from Germany after the World Wars you might find some Germans there who are certainly more German than a North African who showed up a month ago like the picture suggested otherwise.
Care to actually disprove it or nah u good fam?
American isnt a race.
America is a slightly different situation than Europe since it was built upon a variety of European races (mostly Anglo Saxon tho)
Ilosar
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This is some of the biggest load of pseudo-scientific bullcrap I have ever seen. Culture has nothing to do with ''genetic makeup''. There's no ''german gene'', and what in the blazes are those german features you speak of? Blue eyes, blond hair, tall, high cheekbones? Because a minority of germans have these in the first place, and people outside of Germany have them as well. Before they open their mouth, you'd hard pressed to really distinguish an average French and German from each other.
Did you get your information about ethnicities on Stormfront or something? Jesus.
Did you get your information about ethnicities on Stormfront or something? Jesus.
Jogre
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Cambridge English Dictionary definition of culture:
"the way of life, especially the general customs and beliefs, of a particular group of people at a particular time"
Where in that definition does it say "You have to have a certain genetic makeup to be considered part of a culture."
Aaand moving the goalposts. Yeehaw!Lol I guess a dude from Sweden and a Zhulu are exactly the same genetically my bad. There is only one race the human race ;^)
Not really. They're claiming theres no such thing as race specific genes.
Jogre
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@Vergil
There have been black people living in england for more than 200 years now.
They have lived in england, shared customs with the english, had an impact on our society,for 200 years.
They share very few customs with the people from the lands they were first descended from.
What culture would you say that they belong to?
There have been black people living in england for more than 200 years now.
They have lived in england, shared customs with the english, had an impact on our society,for 200 years.
They share very few customs with the people from the lands they were first descended from.
What culture would you say that they belong to?
Me? Nah, I won't even bother.
Open a fucking biology book, section about DNA. Look more detailed into mutations and what induces them. That alone disproves the whole "race in genes" bullshit or whatever. Also read up on evolution and human race a bit. Bits about adaptation of phenotype towards external factors should be interesting.
Then open an anthropology book for more details. Sections detailing migrations to Europe is something you should pay more attention to.
Since, by your logic, genetic make-up is what defines a race as well as ethnicity, and it has been that humans originate from Africa, why aren't you more for, you know, all of us being labeled as African race? You know, we share the same genome. Originate from pretty much the same area in Ethiopia. Why not African?
That offends you, maybe?
There is no such thing as race specific genes since those same genes are quite prone to mutation, change over time and are not a constant in any way within a certain group of people over a prolonged period of time, but are just an external adaptation of phenotype (this is speaking in very simplified terms). Therefore, the whole concept is bullshit and while tracking those genes is valuable for anthropological studies of human migratory patterns, it is of no real consequence when it comes to a very limited period of time...and formation of German national and ethnic identity is a very limited period of time.
(Germanic people have been around for...what, couple of thousand years? And human race as a whole? Germanic people existed for all that time?
Or is there perhaps homo sapiens germanicus?)
And yeah, post some proof for your halfass claims.
Ilosar
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There are traits that are common and recognizable in specific ethnicities (but aren't always unique to said ethnicity), but those aren't ''race specific genes'', and there certainly are no such as thing as culture specific genes either. A German can be a small black-haired guy from Hannover or a blond athlete from Munich, they're both germans but they don't look remotely the same, have different accents, different ancestry, different cultural backgrounds withing Germany itself. Similarily, since it was decided that way by the Germans themselves, a German can also be a dude of black or Turkish heritage, born and bred in Berlin itself, speaking german like he was Merkel's grandson.
I mean, I know at this point I'm either feeding a troll or trying to argue against someone who honestly drank the racist Stormfront kool-aid, but what the hell, slow day at work.
We have differences, get over it.
Of course Europeans are going to be more related to eachother than other groups but the point still stand that we do have variations in our DNA and we're not all just one one "White" Race just like theres not one "Black" or "Asian" race. Literally don't understand how the fuck this is even supposed to be some Stormfront-tier rant to you guys. I literally never called one race superior to another, just that there are differences between them.
Of course Europeans are going to be more related to eachother than other groups but the point still stand that we do have variations in our DNA and we're not all just one one "White" Race just like theres not one "Black" or "Asian" race. Literally don't understand how the fuck this is even supposed to be some Stormfront-tier rant to you guys. I literally never called one race superior to another, just that there are differences between them.
Antiwarprofallout
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I don't know why, but your post talking about how the majority of Han live in China irked me. I mean, the majority of Irish don't live in Ireland, and neither do the majority of Scots live in Scotland.