PS4 mod support update

Zyax said:
Placing the blame in the correct place is also a good rule to live by.
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If I say "Alright guys, there is going to be ice cream cake available at Zyax's place real soon." And then there isn't any ice cream fun times to be had, and I tell everyone that "I'm oh so disappointed that Zyax chose not to give you all ice cream cake" it's not your fault. It's my fault because I'm the one who made the promise. The onus is on me.

Is any of this getting through?
 
Crossfire said:
If I say "Alright guys, there is going to be ice cream cake available at Zyax's place real soon." And then there isn't any ice cream fun times to be had, and I tell everyone that "I'm oh so disappointed that Zyax chose not to give you all ice cream cake" it's not your fault. It's my fault because I'm the one who made the promise. The onus is on me.

Is any of this getting through?
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Where is the evidence this was dropped on Sony? Anyone?
 
Zyax said:
Where is the evidence this was dropped on Sony? Anyone?
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It would be nice to get a press release from Sony on the matter but I doubt that it would be much better than Bethesda's in that it would probably just point the finger at the other side and only offer the vaguest of details.

At the end of the day, we do not know what really happened behind the scenes and probably never will. All we know is that Bethesda promised mods on PS4 and mods on PS4 were not delivered. If Bethesda and Sony had an agreement and Sony broke that agreement then I expect Bethesda to take legal action, and rightfully so. However, if Bethesda's promise of PS4 mods was premature, made before a deal was finalized, then they deserve all of the bad PR that false advertising brings.
 
Crossfire said:
At the end of the day, we do not know what really happened behind the scenes and probably never will. All we know is that Bethesda promised mods on PS4 and mods on PS4 were not delivered. If Bethesda and Sony had an agreement and Sony broke that agreement then I expect Bethesda to take legal action, and rightfully so. However, if Bethesda's promise of PS4 mods was premature, made before a deal was finalized then they deserve all of the bad PR that false advertising brings.
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Exactly, but I do think it isn't unreasonable to make a statement on the issue, especially since Sony seems to be making a lot of bad moves as of late.
 
If Beth and Sony had an agreement in place, an agreement that gave Beth the confidence to promise mod on PS4, then Sony should get sued. If Sony don't get sued (they haven't), and all Beth does is release some vague, pithy, finger-pointing press-release (which is all they have done), then odds are that such an agreement was not in place and Beth promised mods prematurely.
 
Crossfire said:
If Beth and Sony had an agreement in place, an agreement that gave Beth the confidence to promise mod on PS4, then Sony should get sued. If Sony don't get sued (they haven't), and all Beth does is release some vague, pithy, finger-pointing press-release (which is all they have done), then odds are that such an agreement was not in place and Beth promised mods prematurely.
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I would assume that there wasn't a legally defined deal in place, that may have put Sony in a precarious legal position. The best I could speculate is that they have more of a "show us how you can do this, and we may approve it" and to my knowledge it does work, as in mods on PS4 work, but Sony didn't like what they had to do to get them to work. But don't take that as fact, obviously.
 
Zyax said:
So not agreeing with everyone is being snide
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Nah, you do make sense at times, a lot more than others like Someguy or the recent Slayerite who only wanted to troll (the former actually knows how to avoid being offensive enough to not be banned). What I mean is that all your first posts on most threads here are usually you being snide to an OP's post but at least you can back up your claims reasonably (though with plenty of veiled snide, if I may comment) in the next posts.

That said, I think there is fault on both sides. Despite my dislike of Bethesda, I'm not close-minded that I presume Sony is completely innocent. With that said however, Bethesda ought to fully explain why this inability to provide mod support occurred in greater detail rather than simply making a simple statement on the matter that meekly points fingers at Sony. People are already superficially blaming Sony for this and I'd rather they blame Sony for more substantial flaws than one open to speculation.
 
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CerberusGate said:
That said, I think there is fault on both sides. Despite my dislike of Bethesda, I'm not close-minded that I presume Sony is completely innocent. Despite it all, Bethesda ought to fully explain why this occurred rather than simply making a rather short statement on the matter that meekly points fingers at Sony. People are already superficially blaming Sony for this and I'd rather they blame Sony for more substantial flaws than one open to speculation.
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And that's a fair point to make. From a business perspective I don't think Bethesda could say what they said, however vague they are at times in the statement, and get away scott-free without repercussions if it wasn't at least mostly true. If Bethesda is openly lying about why Sony did what they did, then Sony could have a case for slander and I would encourage them to take that opportunity, if there would be one.

I would assume that most people just want a statement from Sony, as the silence makes them look like they may be guilty, and just waiting for it to go away. And if some of the speculation is correct; being that there were security concerns on part from Sony, that's all I would even ask for.
 
CerberusGate said:
Bethesda ought to fully explain why this occurred rather than simply making a rather short statement on the matter that meekly points fingers at Sony.
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To me, the fact that this is all we've seen them do is indicative that they don't have a leg to stand on and have resorted to just trying to get some PR brownie points. Bethesda is a big company. If they got screwed over here and had any kind of cause, they would've dropped the hammer hard on Sony already.
Zyax said:
I would assume that there wasn't a legally defined deal in place
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If there wasn't a legally defined deal in place, Bethesda shouldn't have promised mods on PS4.
 
Zyax said:
And that's a fair point to make. From a business perspective I don't think Bethesda could say what they said, however vague they are at times in the statement, and get away scott-free without repercussions if it wasn't at least mostly true. If Bethesda is openly lying about why Sony did what they did, then Sony could have a case for slander and I would encourage them to take that opportunity, if there would be one.

I would assume that most people just want a statement from Sony, as the silence makes them look like they may be guilty, and just waiting for it to go away. And if some of the speculation is correct; being that there were security concerns on part from Sony, that's all I would even ask for.
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I don't think Sony cares enough about the issue. They're not the kind of company that's sue-happy (like, say, trying to copyright the word 'scrolls') and if we're going by reputation then Bethesda's isn't exactly famous for its sincerity.

Considering the nature of the situation, however, it's hard to tell what actually happened. We can only give educated guesses based on the companies' actions, and even then each interpretation is pretty much subjective.

I can appreciate Bethesda's efforts for once; after all, mod support is strictly for the benefit of the customer, which is rather selfless of them. I don't blame Sony either since security, content and quality are completely justified concerns to have. However, Bethesda did promise those features before they could be delivered; if the deal had already been finalised and Sony refused, they would have definitely sued.

That said, I agree with what CerberusGate said; if we had more substantial evidence, then perhaps we could form some more objective opinions.
 
I played Fallout 4 on PS4. The game is stable enough as it is to play. Not trashing Sony's machine, but I feel adding mods will create another shit show as far as playability and performance. Speculation says, Sony wants Beth to do QA on all the mods before approval. Good on Sony for preventing a catastrophe. I think they're the ones that dodged the bullet. On that note, I hope the mods hold up for Farming Simulator so that Sony gives a passive-aggressive "fuck you" to Beth. Then again, the people at Giants Software are more competent than the dunces at Beth.
 
Ol Petey doesn't actually know a thing about software development if he thinks twiddling some values and importing assets is "hacking".

It would not be worth anyone's time to have a discussion with him on those points.

You might as well ask your dog for a reasonable explanation for their behavior.
 
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