PS4 mod support update

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Millim, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    Jun 14, 2016
    If I say "Alright guys, there is going to be ice cream cake available at Zyax's place real soon." And then there isn't any ice cream fun times to be had, and I tell everyone that "I'm oh so disappointed that Zyax chose not to give you all ice cream cake" it's not your fault. It's my fault because I'm the one who made the promise. The onus is on me.

    Is any of this getting through?
     
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  2. Zyax

    Zyax Salt Powered Robot

    Mar 14, 2016
    Where is the evidence this was dropped on Sony? Anyone?
     
  3. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    Jun 14, 2016
    It would be nice to get a press release from Sony on the matter but I doubt that it would be much better than Bethesda's in that it would probably just point the finger at the other side and only offer the vaguest of details.

    At the end of the day, we do not know what really happened behind the scenes and probably never will. All we know is that Bethesda promised mods on PS4 and mods on PS4 were not delivered. If Bethesda and Sony had an agreement and Sony broke that agreement then I expect Bethesda to take legal action, and rightfully so. However, if Bethesda's promise of PS4 mods was premature, made before a deal was finalized, then they deserve all of the bad PR that false advertising brings.
     
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  4. Zyax

    Zyax Salt Powered Robot

    Mar 14, 2016
    Exactly, but I do think it isn't unreasonable to make a statement on the issue, especially since Sony seems to be making a lot of bad moves as of late.
     
  5. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    Jun 14, 2016
    If Beth and Sony had an agreement in place, an agreement that gave Beth the confidence to promise mod on PS4, then Sony should get sued. If Sony don't get sued (they haven't), and all Beth does is release some vague, pithy, finger-pointing press-release (which is all they have done), then odds are that such an agreement was not in place and Beth promised mods prematurely.
     
  6. Zyax

    Zyax Salt Powered Robot

    Mar 14, 2016
    I would assume that there wasn't a legally defined deal in place, that may have put Sony in a precarious legal position. The best I could speculate is that they have more of a "show us how you can do this, and we may approve it" and to my knowledge it does work, as in mods on PS4 work, but Sony didn't like what they had to do to get them to work. But don't take that as fact, obviously.
     
  7. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Nah, you do make sense at times, a lot more than others like Someguy or the recent Slayerite who only wanted to troll (the former actually knows how to avoid being offensive enough to not be banned). What I mean is that all your first posts on most threads here are usually you being snide to an OP's post but at least you can back up your claims reasonably (though with plenty of veiled snide, if I may comment) in the next posts.

    That said, I think there is fault on both sides. Despite my dislike of Bethesda, I'm not close-minded that I presume Sony is completely innocent. With that said however, Bethesda ought to fully explain why this inability to provide mod support occurred in greater detail rather than simply making a simple statement on the matter that meekly points fingers at Sony. People are already superficially blaming Sony for this and I'd rather they blame Sony for more substantial flaws than one open to speculation.
     
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  8. Zyax

    Zyax Salt Powered Robot

    Mar 14, 2016
    And that's a fair point to make. From a business perspective I don't think Bethesda could say what they said, however vague they are at times in the statement, and get away scott-free without repercussions if it wasn't at least mostly true. If Bethesda is openly lying about why Sony did what they did, then Sony could have a case for slander and I would encourage them to take that opportunity, if there would be one.

    I would assume that most people just want a statement from Sony, as the silence makes them look like they may be guilty, and just waiting for it to go away. And if some of the speculation is correct; being that there were security concerns on part from Sony, that's all I would even ask for.
     
  9. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    Jun 14, 2016
    To me, the fact that this is all we've seen them do is indicative that they don't have a leg to stand on and have resorted to just trying to get some PR brownie points. Bethesda is a big company. If they got screwed over here and had any kind of cause, they would've dropped the hammer hard on Sony already.
    If there wasn't a legally defined deal in place, Bethesda shouldn't have promised mods on PS4.
     
  10. Brivoo

    Brivoo Powered by Radiant AI

    Jan 20, 2016
    I don't think Sony cares enough about the issue. They're not the kind of company that's sue-happy (like, say, trying to copyright the word 'scrolls') and if we're going by reputation then Bethesda's isn't exactly famous for its sincerity.

    Considering the nature of the situation, however, it's hard to tell what actually happened. We can only give educated guesses based on the companies' actions, and even then each interpretation is pretty much subjective.

    I can appreciate Bethesda's efforts for once; after all, mod support is strictly for the benefit of the customer, which is rather selfless of them. I don't blame Sony either since security, content and quality are completely justified concerns to have. However, Bethesda did promise those features before they could be delivered; if the deal had already been finalised and Sony refused, they would have definitely sued.

    That said, I agree with what CerberusGate said; if we had more substantial evidence, then perhaps we could form some more objective opinions.
     
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  11. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    Jun 14, 2016
    It's not quite as selfless as it may seem. They've used it as a selling point for FO4 and their full-price remaster of a 5 year old game. Make no mistake, they see the modding community as a commodity to be exploited for profit.
     
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  12. Chud

    Chud Still Mildly Glowing

    Jun 8, 2015
    Speaking of which, they have yet to change the description on the PSN Store for Skyrim; it still claims the ability to use mods. You'd think with it's up-coming release, that should be removed.
     
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  13. DirtyOldShoe

    DirtyOldShoe Some kind of lucky

    Dec 15, 2015
  14. ThatsNotOregano

    ThatsNotOregano Where are my gay perks, Todd?

    Sep 14, 2016
    I played Fallout 4 on PS4. The game is stable enough as it is to play. Not trashing Sony's machine, but I feel adding mods will create another shit show as far as playability and performance. Speculation says, Sony wants Beth to do QA on all the mods before approval. Good on Sony for preventing a catastrophe. I think they're the ones that dodged the bullet. On that note, I hope the mods hold up for Farming Simulator so that Sony gives a passive-aggressive "fuck you" to Beth. Then again, the people at Giants Software are more competent than the dunces at Beth.
     
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  15. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    Someone should reply him with this actually.
     
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  16. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    Ol Petey doesn't actually know a thing about software development if he thinks twiddling some values and importing assets is "hacking".

    It would not be worth anyone's time to have a discussion with him on those points.

    You might as well ask your dog for a reasonable explanation for their behavior.