Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
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Question to the Amis ~ aka Americans.
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Antediluvian as Feck
I remember that more than 40% of the US americans believe in the describtion of the Bible for the creation. I have no clue how accurate that is though.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
That's a very diplomatic way to put it; (and it can be read both ways, to different meanings).
**It's worse than anyone thinks though. Here we have always had a tradition of double meanings in media, because the censors are often quite dense and single meaning minded... but when they find out... suddenly they get offended that even those not comprehending it are exposed to it. For those times when a show has to entertain both the child and the parents forced to watch it, clever writers might pepper the script with all sorts of double-play and veiled concepts. The Marx Brothers did this (a lot), because they could... But once someone explains it those it never occurs to, well... those in power start to censor us all 'for our own good'. Old episodes of Animaniacs and other cartoons dating back to the first ones have been shamefully expurgated in their re-releases, or in what they show of them on TV.
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You know there is a rather large group of radical christians in the US. I mean hey, I hate the radical Islam as much like everyone else, but when you think about it, the biggest impact on US society has christianity, christian values and traditions. Imagine how big the outrcy would be if some buddhists or hindus would force their believe on US public schools? But apparently creationism is no problem.
I am sometimes feeling that some people in the US actually don't even realize how much they share with a few other cultures around this world ...
I am sometimes feeling that some people in the US actually don't even realize how much they share with a few other cultures around this world ...
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DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Actually, the increased seperation of religion from schools is one of the few liberal things I agree with.
Also, more and more americans are actually losing faith as more religious scandals come to light. I simply refuse to believe that a omnipotent being like god would get angry because I beat the meat every now and then or would like to have some un-married sex as long as I don't screw over the girl if she gets knocked up. I mean, why the hell would god care if I am drinking soda or alcohol as long as I do not act like a fucking douchebag because of it.
I have always had an issue with organised religion as its one extra 'us vs them' thing which we do not need. Altruism should never be forced, either by the government or a one way ticket to the lake of fire.
Also, more and more americans are actually losing faith as more religious scandals come to light. I simply refuse to believe that a omnipotent being like god would get angry because I beat the meat every now and then or would like to have some un-married sex as long as I don't screw over the girl if she gets knocked up. I mean, why the hell would god care if I am drinking soda or alcohol as long as I do not act like a fucking douchebag because of it.
I have always had an issue with organised religion as its one extra 'us vs them' thing which we do not need. Altruism should never be forced, either by the government or a one way ticket to the lake of fire.
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Acording to the hollowing out of the american empire by Ernest Callenbach religion will eventually play even a larger role in the american society in the future considering the ever growing issues inside the Amercian society and the growing complexity of problems all around the world. He has the opinion that simple religious ideals will offer simple answers which people might seek - and they already do. I don't think that Scandals will really put a dent in to the smaller christian/religious communities. Many of them follow their own interpretation of the Bible anyway. We might see a growing of radical streams inside the chrstian movement while the moderate christians will become less.
SnapSlav
NMA's local DotA fanatic
Oh goodie, a question asked by its originated suddenly becomes answered by its originator- due to a book, no less. How enlightened!
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That's sarcasm, by the way.
Some fool deciding that the country will embrace some fundamentalist views of religion doesn't make it so. Certain fundamentalist groups have HISTORICALLY arisen, due to the firm stance of "separate of church and state" mixed with several key statements of the Constitution which allows anyone to voice anything they wish, so long as voicing it is all they do. You need look no further than the KKK, or the Neo Nazis in America. They're both a pretty nutty bunch. But how dangerous are they, really? How much INFLUENCE do they possess, really? They're both very inconsequential groups, and they are considered total anomalies by Americans at large. Your average citizen wants nothing to do with these types, and vehemently disagrees with them on just about every level. Even outspoken racists have serious issues with the KKK, largely because they don't simply represent racism. That's not to say that they don't result in some level of violence. But as a movement across the country? Not whatsoever.
People seeking simple answers for simple questions is not exclusive to religion, nor will they find exclusively religious answers, nor are religious answers the only source of such simple answers. Politics does this on a regular basis. As I stated previously, morality is the key. Control the morality, you control the minds of the people. Large scale indoctrination has already been in effect for many decades, and will continue in this direction. Meanwhile, despite being conditioned by these efforts, more and more people are gradually shifting in a moderate direction.
I'd really like to see more people be healthy skeptics, but the problem is people are being taught filthy lies all the time. No, I'm not talking about silly interpretations of filthy lies, like "Communists cannot utter the word 'God', so if we put it on our currency, we'll know who's a Communist!" I'm talking about WHAT laws actually mean. The two-way-street interpretation of the so-called "separation of church and state" is a perfect example of a lie that people continue to perpetuate. It's a ONE-way-street affair. CONGRESS (and the government as a whole, by extension) cannot officially make any favorites of any religion, but the reverse is not the case. Religion can impact government as much as it damn well pleases, so long as its influencing structure of government is where that relationship ends. That means you cannot prevent more Buddhists from finding their place in the country just as much as you cannot stop atheists or Jews or Neo Nazi fundamentalist psycho radicals. The more diverse minds that make up the country, the more noisy the conversation, the more possibilities such conversations can elicit. But tradition has a way of ignoring legal precedent, so despite the system intentionally allowing for religious and class diversity, we still see the prevalence of class segregation and particular interpretations of religion seeing prominence well above others.
This is where not being taught lies about the system itself comes into play. Being taught the TRUTH of what that Constitutional law REALLY means, fully educating American citizens, not just perpetuating empty traditions founded on lies, will result in more people taking proactive measures yet without sending the country down some sort of twisted road towards a fictitious dystopia.
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That's sarcasm, by the way.
Some fool deciding that the country will embrace some fundamentalist views of religion doesn't make it so. Certain fundamentalist groups have HISTORICALLY arisen, due to the firm stance of "separate of church and state" mixed with several key statements of the Constitution which allows anyone to voice anything they wish, so long as voicing it is all they do. You need look no further than the KKK, or the Neo Nazis in America. They're both a pretty nutty bunch. But how dangerous are they, really? How much INFLUENCE do they possess, really? They're both very inconsequential groups, and they are considered total anomalies by Americans at large. Your average citizen wants nothing to do with these types, and vehemently disagrees with them on just about every level. Even outspoken racists have serious issues with the KKK, largely because they don't simply represent racism. That's not to say that they don't result in some level of violence. But as a movement across the country? Not whatsoever.
People seeking simple answers for simple questions is not exclusive to religion, nor will they find exclusively religious answers, nor are religious answers the only source of such simple answers. Politics does this on a regular basis. As I stated previously, morality is the key. Control the morality, you control the minds of the people. Large scale indoctrination has already been in effect for many decades, and will continue in this direction. Meanwhile, despite being conditioned by these efforts, more and more people are gradually shifting in a moderate direction.
I'd really like to see more people be healthy skeptics, but the problem is people are being taught filthy lies all the time. No, I'm not talking about silly interpretations of filthy lies, like "Communists cannot utter the word 'God', so if we put it on our currency, we'll know who's a Communist!" I'm talking about WHAT laws actually mean. The two-way-street interpretation of the so-called "separation of church and state" is a perfect example of a lie that people continue to perpetuate. It's a ONE-way-street affair. CONGRESS (and the government as a whole, by extension) cannot officially make any favorites of any religion, but the reverse is not the case. Religion can impact government as much as it damn well pleases, so long as its influencing structure of government is where that relationship ends. That means you cannot prevent more Buddhists from finding their place in the country just as much as you cannot stop atheists or Jews or Neo Nazi fundamentalist psycho radicals. The more diverse minds that make up the country, the more noisy the conversation, the more possibilities such conversations can elicit. But tradition has a way of ignoring legal precedent, so despite the system intentionally allowing for religious and class diversity, we still see the prevalence of class segregation and particular interpretations of religion seeing prominence well above others.
This is where not being taught lies about the system itself comes into play. Being taught the TRUTH of what that Constitutional law REALLY means, fully educating American citizens, not just perpetuating empty traditions founded on lies, will result in more people taking proactive measures yet without sending the country down some sort of twisted road towards a fictitious dystopia.
Marionettetc
Banned
It's because the country was founded on the backs of the religious nut-jobs England didn't want (Puritans), and 400~ years isn't enough time to shake the festering remnants of their ingrained beliefs.
Also, God sanctions murder and violence in his name. He doesn't sanction sucking on a titty.
Also, God sanctions murder and violence in his name. He doesn't sanction sucking on a titty.