Questions about FEV in Fallout 3

....well, lets see.... Why would FEV be in a Vault...maybe because the military seized it and could place it wherever they wanted? I mean, the military seized the ZAX and placed one in West-Tek, so why wouldn't it place West-Tek developments in Vault-Tec facilities? Considering the Enclave were preparing for nuclear war, placing an FEV testing facility underground at the same time as bringing FEV testing to the newly finished Mariposa Base makes sense. Also, FEV also existed at West-Tek meaning that it all wasn't brought to Mariposa Base and could also have been brought elsewhere. Maybe there's several unkown FEV facilities underground in Military bunkers as well? There's plenty of military prisoners afterall and research is better done en masse. Through a Vault, the Enclave could see how well the virus works on drafted citizens without military training. Through military prisoners, they could see how they could use China's own men against them.

Also, is it ever mentioned that the FEV in West Tek that resulted in the Master was the same as the Mariposa Base FEV? Different research directions could have occured, one focusing on phsyical evolutions and the other mental. FEV in Mariposa Base is also a much MUCH less developed product than that used in the EEP. I don't see any mention on when the EEP occured, it could have been years after the vault closed, meaning the virus could have been tampered with for 100+ years before it became what we see in Fallout 3. This is also why the androids can happen too: The Institute has been conducting robot improvements and research since the bombs dropped. 200 years more time for further development.

And why CAN'T FEV result in extremely huge super mutants? I mean, extremely huge rats, ants, scorpions, and geckos can exist, but not tripled sized humans? Huh? Sides, the virus in Fallout 3 seems to build on itself over time, sort of like a tree growing I guess. The Super mutants get bigger, and bigger, and bigger until their bodies can't support themselves over time. Look at the failed tests: Part of their body grew too fast for their body to handle. The dim wittedness was common in Fallout 1 too, seeing as how only a few actually have intelligent conversations with you...the rest just stand around with guns, attacking when they are told to. If anything, the FEV in Fallout 3 is probably what the military was after. Look at Psycho! It's engineered for killing, not thinking :)

So yeah, it could exist in Vault 87 without plotholes. The only contradiction I see is that the Vaults in Fallout 3 were all started when logs say that all Vaults should be finished, except Vault 13.
 
Let me ask this, without the need to make up all kinds of plots and conspiracies, do we really need more FEV, or FEV oriented storylines?

Quite frankly I am sick of FEV, especially after reading about some of the obsession about it.

Fallout is more than FEV you know.
 
You are correct! However, both Fallout 1 and 2's plots were focused on the use of FEV, let alone most of the freaks of nature are a product of it. Even the Fallout Bible mentions that one.

If they're gonna go with a new threat to mankind, they might as well start working on robots being a threat, something the Institute can contribute to.
 
I don't mind it being an explanation for some of the mutations, but let it just stay background stuff.

Van Buren for example was about the New Plague and the threat of B.O.M.B.001.

Well we sort of had robots, remember?

The Calculator's pacification robots.
 
Silencer said:
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Technically, the supermutants in Fo1 totaled in at about 3.2m height and 300 kg of weight.

I try to ignore the existence of the Behemoths, as much as I can. It's a retarded enemy, who joins the Fatman in the Hall Of Retarded Ideas For Fallout Games.
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I can appreciate the davy-crockettish Fat Man.
I can stomach the Behemoth. Kind of an "Attack of the 50-foot Mother-in-Law" sort of way.

But I simply can't get over TWO shots being required to put down the abomination, and definately NOT over both those items appearing, what, two hours into the game?
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They probably had the life-span of attention of the usual gamer in mind, eventualy ? :P
 
You guys do know that Fallout: POS isn't canon right? Whatever happened in that game is pretty much irrelevant. Bethesda doesn't consider it canon and neither did the Van Buren devs.
 
Ravager69 said:
Super Mutants - OK, still plausible, but Behemoth? No way in hell a human beign can mutate like this and still live \ maintain mobility. You imagine how big it's internal organs had to be. the blood pressure it would require, how much he would have eat to survive etc.? Without scientits to control it's growth there's no possibility for a monster like this to develop and survive. Two of those things would clean out the DC of people in no time.

I know Fallout ain't about beign realistic, but there ARE limits. And then there's Horrigan, but he was raised by a group of scientits, so it's a bit diffrent I guess.

As for FEV...I thought that there were VATS only in Mariposa and some samples in the Glow? Ah, hell, there could be more research facilities throughout the States. Anyway, the strain in Washington seem to be the worse part.
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Horrigan had a power armor suit and lots of chems being put into him. I believe that's how he lived so long. Otherwise, I think his back would have snapped or his heart would have gave out.
 
nemetoad said:
....well, lets see.... Why would FEV be in a Vault...maybe because the military seized it and could place it wherever they wanted? I mean, the military seized the ZAX and placed one in West-Tek, so why wouldn't it place West-Tek developments in Vault-Tec facilities? Considering the Enclave were preparing for nuclear war, placing an FEV testing facility underground at the same time as bringing FEV testing to the newly finished Mariposa Base makes sense. Also, FEV also existed at West-Tek meaning that it all wasn't brought to Mariposa Base and could also have been brought elsewhere. Maybe there's several unkown FEV facilities underground in Military bunkers as well? There's plenty of military prisoners afterall and research is better done en masse. Through a Vault, the Enclave could see how well the virus works on drafted citizens without military training. Through military prisoners, they could see how they could use China's own men against them.
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Uh, what? The ZAX wasn't installed by the military, it was the heart of the WSRF ever since it's conception. Col. Spindel's team didn't seize the project either, they brought it under DIRECT military control and overseen it's transfer to the MAriposa Military Base.

And they weren't using Chinese POWs either. They were using AMERICAN soldiers incarcerated for various crimes, and that's what ticked Maxson's team off, aside from it being human experimentation, of course.

Hiding it in a Vault doesn't make sense, at all. What purpose does it play in the context of the Vault Experimentation Project? What were they testing? Why were they using FEV in a Vault rather than a military base?

Also, is it ever mentioned that the FEV in West Tek that resulted in the Master was the same as the Mariposa Base FEV? Different research directions could have occured, one focusing on phsyical evolutions and the other mental.
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What? The FEV-I was the one that transformed Richard Moreau into the Master, and it was the same as the one in West Tek. FEV-II was refined by the man himself later, as he searched for a more effective way of mutating humans and other beings.

FEV in Mariposa Base is also a much MUCH less developed product than that used in the EEP. I don't see any mention on when the EEP occured, it could have been years after the vault closed, meaning the virus could have been tampered with for 100+ years before it became what we see in Fallout 3.
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Excuse me?

Mariposa FEV-II: Increased muscle and bone density, extreme resilience, risk of intelligence being lowered, but still enough to understand orders and execute them. Supermutants are extremely dangerous.

EEP: Mutations cause the subject to become yellow, big, strong, retarded and after 14 days extremely aggressive, beyond any help. And they can be killed on level 2.

So, FEV-II that creates strong, but stupid obedient soldiers is somehow inferior to EEP that mass produces berserkers?

And why CAN'T FEV result in extremely huge super mutants?
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Simple question: where were they created? Find me a 30 foot tall vat and I'll rest my case.

I mean, extremely huge rats, ants, scorpions, and geckos can exist, but not tripled sized humans?
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Operative word: versimilitude.

Huh? Sides, the virus in Fallout 3 seems to build on itself over time, sort of like a tree growing I guess. The Super mutants get bigger, and bigger, and bigger until their bodies can't support themselves over time. Look at the failed tests: Part of their body grew too fast for their body to handle.
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...and? They aren't failed Behemoths.

The dim wittedness was common in Fallout 1 too, seeing as how only a few actually have intelligent conversations with you...the rest just stand around with guns, attacking when they are told to. If anything, the FEV in Fallout 3 is probably what the military was after. Look at Psycho! It's engineered for killing, not thinking :)
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That's an idiotic suggestion. Uncontrollable berserkers are what the military wanted?

Furthermore, I bolded what disqualifies EEP as a viable military project: FEV-II supermutants listen to orders. EEP supermutants attack you on sight and want to eat your brain. They make Harry look like a frail intellectual.

So yeah, it could exist in Vault 87 without plotholes. The only contradiction I see is that the Vaults in Fallout 3 were all started when logs say that all Vaults should be finished, except Vault 13.
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Plotholes the size of Grand Canyon aren't easily fillable, and you sure as hell didn't do that.
 
The FEV is just another one of those things that should have been left in the past where it belonged, perhaps making a small, insignificant re-appearence.

Its just one of those things Beth had to recycle. Heck, their game would make 50% more sense if they just had it based in california to start with.
 
Chancellor Kremlin said:
Its just one of those things Beth had to recycle. Heck, their game would make 50% more sense if they just had it based in california to start with.
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And having things like on your avatar...
 
What? The FEV-I was the one that transformed Richard Moreau into the Master, and it was the same as the one in West Tek. FEV-II was refined by the man himself later, as he searched for a more effective way of mutating humans and other beings.
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Actually, FEV-1 was the West Tek version and FEV-2 was the Mariposa version. The research on the virus progressed between the time it was moved to Mariposa and the Great War.

Simple question: where were they created? Find me a 30 foot tall vat and I'll rest my case.
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They weren't originally created as behemoths. The EEP strain of FEV causes the subject to grow bigger and more stupid with age. The behemoths are the only remaining original subjects from Vault 87.
 
Actually, FEV-1 was the West Tek version and FEV-2 was the Mariposa version. The research on the virus progressed between the time it was moved to Mariposa and the Great War.
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Right. That still makes FEV-2 created pre-War significantly more advanced.

They weren't originally created as behemoths. The EEP strain of FEV causes the subject to grow bigger and more stupid with age. The behemoths are the only remaining original subjects from Vault 87.
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Then how regular flavour muties are created?
 
From the official guide:

The Super Mutants that infest the urban ruin of Washington D.C. originated in Vault 87. Those unlucky enough to have reserved space in Vault 87 soon found themselves forcefully taken to a secure part of the vault, where they were locked in airtight chambers and exposed to a concentrated form of the F .E.V. The Overseer and his security force had no real idea what to expect; they were Simply following the "plan. " When the exposed vault dwellers started transforming into Super Mutants, nearly the entire vault population had been exposed . Those who hadn't yet metamorphosed knew what was coming, and, well. .. it didn't end well for humanity.

The dwellers of Vault 87 were turned into Super Mutants in 2078, and have been a presence in the Capital Wasteland ever since. Most of those original Super Mutants have long since been killed. But whether it's because of the nature of the F.E.V. they were exposed to, or a simple underlying human instinct, the Super Mutants of the Capital Wasteland are obsessed with the preservation of their own species. Super utants are asexual and incapable of procreation, so their only way of reproducing is to kidnap other humans, drag them back to the Vault 87 chambers, and infect them with F.E.Y. And so they have done, for nearly 200 years.
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Why is that fact not mentioned in the game?

Plus all the FEV chambers indicated that they have run out of FEV, for how long it's not mentioned.
 
Maybe they ran out of FEV shortly before FO3? Or there could be more chambers that are not accessible in the actual game.
 
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