Shacknews interview on Fallout 3 with Pete Hines

[globbi]

Despite their all said fondness of the Fallout series, I bet both Howard and Hines swithed to real-time combat as soon as they tried Tactics.

Do you really believe it? It's pure bullshit, they know fans would like to hear that they like Fallout and Fallout 2 so they say they do. If they liked Fallout they would know what's good in it and what should F3 be like. But they don't. I will not believe in any word of any interview with Beth after I compared Oblivion with promisses about it.

And gah, I really would like yevinorion to be Beth's spy. I wish they read about how we hate them and how much they suck. Still, I have hope - i haven't found anything in google or google images similar to his avatar (I checked it for a lot of keywords after i first read DarkLegacy's post and now again)

 

[xu]

If they liked Fallout they would know what's good in it and what should F3 be like. But they don't.

"Liking" fallout and target a massive audience of Morrowind/Oblivion fans is a whole different thing. For them, it's important to make money and appeal to those console retards. Don't ever forget that. It's all about cash.

 

[Continuum]

Yeah, they all really like Fallout and they want to bring such legendary title to the bigger audience (oh, they're so kind). Lucky Xbox owners will get a possibility to play it. Who cares if the game will be dumbed down, we will give you Fallout 3 after 10 years of waiting, so stop crying and shut up.

And they're playing Fallout to figure out how to apply whole gameplay to the "modern" games standards, it will be really hard, I guess. Fallout 3: A Post Nuclear Action Game (why not, sounds good).

And remember: if you see Bethesda logo on the box there must be some crazy ideas inside I will be not surprised when in the near future I will see Fallout: A Post Nuclear Racing Game.

 

[Sander]

Do you really believe it? It's pure bullshit, they know fans would like to hear that they like Fallout and Fallout 2 so they say they do. If they liked Fallout they would know what's good in it and what should F3 be like. But they don't. I will not believe in any word of any interview with Beth after I compared Oblivion with promisses about it.

And gah, I really would like yevinorion to be Beth's spy. I wish they read about how we hate them and how much they suck. Still, I have hope - i haven't found anything in google or google images similar to his avatar (I checked it for a lot of keywords after i first read DarkLegacy's post and now again)

Oh, for fuck's sake.
If that is really a concept art for Fallout 3 I'll eat my own shoe, because it's nothing interesting whatsoever. It looks like a V13 pic with a photoshop filter over it. It could just as well have come from a random bit of fan art.

Other than that, even if he *was* a Bethesda spy, we're not going to do anything about it. It's not like these forums aren't readable for any guest anyway.

 

[Dracon M'Alkir]

Oh, for fuck's sake.
If that is really a concept art for Fallout 3 I'll eat my own shoe, because it's nothing interesting whatsoever. It looks like a V13 pic with a photoshop filter over it. It could just as well have come from a random bit of fan art.

Other than that, even if he *was* a Bethesda spy, we're not going to do anything about it. It's not like these forums aren't readable for any guest anyway.

I'll take you up on that offer.

 

[Rainstorm]

Oh well not really surprising at the end, so the only thing that I find hard to swallow is the fact they said no to the long-time fallout devs and then hired and later promoted a kid whose hate for the Fallout fansites and every Fallout fan that dared to speak something against his simplistic views was legendary on the Iplay forum. That isn't nice.

A bit curious as to who this was? (nickname)
If it was on IPlay's forum while they still had the BIS forum I might've missed it for that reason,since I more or less only frequented BIS's forum...(and then a nick won't matter,but maybe I just ignored the posts and a nick will kickstart my memory...)
It doesn't really matter,just human curiousity.

To go back to topic,knowing that they ignored some of the original producers is certainly not a good sign...
I mean,they had the chance to get some very well known name(s) in the industry,which would certainly give them a bit more credit.
They could even use it as pure propaganda by releasing to the press "Bethesda hires Cain" and put him to work on other titles and never let him touch FO3.

Regardless of if they'd let him work on FO3 or not (the first would of course have been the way) they would still have someone around who knows what RPG's really are and not someone who thinks it's an RPG only because it has some stats you can change....(to give some hope about some upcoming release being a real RPG)
Ah,well,that's business logic for you...at least we can be happy that someone who has been a part of FO has not just gotten their name put on the cover of a game that isn't FO...

About the discussion regarding yevinorion...I'll join in and eat shoes to if he's some Beth spy...I'd prefer to eat someone elses though,mine are all too old and smelly.

 

[Dracon M'Alkir]

About the discussion regarding yevinorion...I'll join in and eat shoes to if he's some Beth spy...I'd prefer to eat someone elses though,mine are all too old and smelly.

Alright, we've got two people on the count of eating shoes.. anybody else want to join in?

 

[xu]

a chocolate shoe .. mmm Im in!

 

[Briosafreak]

If it was on IPlay's forum while they still had the BIS forum I might've missed it for that reason,since I more or less only frequented BIS's forum.

Shadowstrider


Don't get me wrong, he seems to be a nice kid and a devoted professional, although his first big assignment was to help out in Star Trek Legacy, and we know how that worked, but his relentless hatred for the Fallout communities and Fallout fans at large really shouldn't make him the best choice to help out on a project like Fallout3, why choose a troublemaker over genuine Fallout devs? Bizarre...

Edit: He does like FIFE, so he has some taste left

He also has an interesting sig

Some quotes from Shadowstrider:

"Role-playing games were made so the player could immerse themselves in a world. Unless in that world, everyone moves in turns, turn-based combat detracts from this."

"I don't think turn-based belongs in RPGs that aren't Pen and Paper"
_________________

 

[Bernard Bumner]

To go back to topic,knowing that they ignored some of the original producers is certainly not a good sign...

I see what you're saying, but I can absolutely understand why Bethesda are doing it in their own way.

At the end of the day, you don't buy the rights to make a game unless you believe that you're capable of producing it. Many people have interpreted that as arrogance or foolishness - and time will tell - but I'm not sure that you'd want a game made by people who don't have absolute confidence in their own abilities. (Although confidence alone won't deliver a good game.)

 

[Sander]

I'd rather it be produced by people with a jusitifed confidence in their abilities and a clue as to what RPGs are.

 

[taxacaria]

Some quotes from Shadowstrider:

"Role-playing games were made so the player could immerse themselves in a world. Unless in that world, everyone moves in turns, turn-based combat detracts from this."

"I don't think turn-based belongs in RPGs that aren't Pen and Paper.

It's disturbing to see this guy amoung the Fallout devs.
Obviously he's another next gen freak, but not a Fallout fan.

And this :

We haven't blacklisted anyone for panning our games.

 

[aries369]

In the interview in at shacknews.com I think Pete Hines said something along the lines of that he and Bethsoft wished they could have kept it a secret that Bethsoft did indeed buy the Fallout license from Interplay. And that the only reason they published this was that Interplay was a public traded company.

Therefore, it makes sense, that even if Bethsoft did hire some one like the old developers & makers of FO, that they wouldn't tell the public.

As to the qoute from Shadowstrider, he can think all he wants .
The final decision is still Emil P's and Todd Howard's to make, and maybe they want to see TB combat in Fallout...?? (and use the proceeds, revenue and money from Oblivion to built a great FO game, which really stays true to the original Fallout 1 setting??)

 

[Bernard Bumner]

I'd rather it be produced by people with a jusitifed confidence in their abilities and a clue as to what RPGs are.

Ditto, I just think that there are obvious reasons that Bethesda wouldn't bring in other developers, and I'm not going to say that those are wrong per se.

(However, we already know that self-belief isn't sufficient without talent, ability, and - critically - an intimate understanding of what you're trying to achieve: "we... will bring you into the next evolution of tabletop gaming.")

 

[Brother None]

Therefore, it makes sense, that even if Bethsoft did hire some one like the old developers & makers of FO, that they wouldn't tell the public.

Nope, sorry, none of the major Fallout 1 devs are working for Bethesda. They are working for Obsidian for a part, Boyarsky and others moved to Blizzard, Hendee is gone, Anderson too. Cain might be it with his "won't reveal where I am", but I'm fairly sure he would've told us.

 

[Sander]

Nope, sorry, none of the major Fallout 1 devs are working for Bethesda. They are working for Obsidian for a part, Boyarsky and others moved to Blizzard, Hendee is gone, Anderson too. Cain might be it with his "won't reveal where I am", but I'm fairly sure he would've told us.

I'm pretty sure Bethesda would've told us (and everyone else) as well, since that'd be a lot of free, positive press.

 

[Rainstorm]

Shadowstrider

Don't get me wrong, he seems to be a nice kid and a devoted professional, although his first big assignment was to help out in Star Trek Legacy, and we know how that worked, but his relentless hatred for the Fallout communities and Fallout fans at large really shouldn't make him the best choice to help out on a project like Fallout3, why choose a troublemaker over genuine Fallout devs? Bizarre...

The name does ring a bell,but I can't remember him that well...I guess I just ignored the name and/or the posts by him...

Nice and the proper choice is not the same thing for sure,so it is a strange choice...(Pete Hines and the rest at Beth are most likely nice guys too)
But he does seem to fit in better with the history of MW and Oblivion than someone who actually thinks that "rolling dices" works just fine for cRPG's...when you really want to make an _RPG_ for the computer environment.

Nope, sorry, none of the major Fallout 1 devs are working for Bethesda. They are working for Obsidian for a part, Boyarsky and others moved to Blizzard, Hendee is gone, Anderson too. Cain might be it with his "won't reveal where I am", but I'm fairly sure he would've told us.

I'm pretty sure Bethesda would've told us (and everyone else) as well, since that'd be a lot of free, positive press.

Exactly,they'd get a lot of free positive press and community feedback by just namedropping...even if they put him as a forumadmin...(which would be a huge waste,but the ability to namedrop would still be valid)
To ignore the possibility for free PR as well as getting some knowledge on what a RPG really is,would seem to good to miss...unless you aren't too interested in making something other than "marketed as RPG" games...

 

[4too]

Just Say No

Just Say No






taxacaria:

...he's another next gen freak, ...

FPS in Real Time is a gateway to a hypnotic altered state.



An average gamer is unwinding in this medium.

Boredom is induced in many after the ''thrill'' is gone.

Yet where there's a thrill there's a hook.

An evangelical of this = experience = is just another drug pusher.

Ask any parent if they want their kid lost in the mind control that is implicit in the 200 hours of game play PROMISED by BethSoft PR pimps ....

TWO HUNDRED HOURS ....

It's NOT value ... it is ... [dun, dun, downnnnnnn ...] .... entrapment.


And the news media pretends to ''wonder'', when another why ''''Johnny can't read"" article is trotted out as filler between the ads for drug like mesmerizing -- -- entertainment -- .

Just say no kids!







4too

 

[The Idiot]

Therefore, it makes sense, that even if Bethsoft did hire some one like the old developers & makers of FO, that they wouldn't tell the public.

Nope, sorry, none of the major Fallout 1 devs are working for Bethesda. They are working for Obsidian for a part, Boyarsky and others moved to Blizzard, Hendee is gone, Anderson too. Cain might be it with his "won't reveal where I am", but I'm fairly sure he would've told us.

I've just browsed through MSFD's posts and this caught my eye:

Tim works at NCSoft.

 

[Brother None]

I've just browsed through MSFD's posts and this caught my eye:

Tim works at NCSoft.

Holy shti?! How the hell does he know that, Tim Cain's wereabouts are the BEST KEPT SEKRET IN GAMING INDUSTRY. More sekret than how many times MCA slept with Odin's mom, more sekret than what Pete is thinking when he says "not ready to talk about it" 100 times in a row...