Shacknews interviews Pete Hines and Istvan Pely
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Fear_Embodied
First time out of the vault
I see what you did thar.Cimmerian Nights said:
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I don't envy Pete Hines, explaining some of the decisions made in Fallout 3 requires a lot of imagination and cunningness.
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
he doesnt want to be stale? he doesnt want to do what everyone else does?
fable2: real-time, FPP, player based combat. great story
gothic: real-time, FPP, player based combat. great story
the witcher: real-time, FPP, player based combat. meh story
mass effect: real-time w/ pause, FPP, player based combat. meh story
oblivion: real-time, FPP, player based combat, stupid story
fallout3: real-time w/ pause, FPP, some charecter and some player combat, stupid story.
NOPE! dont wanna be like everyone else do ya petey!
fable2: real-time, FPP, player based combat. great story
gothic: real-time, FPP, player based combat. great story
the witcher: real-time, FPP, player based combat. meh story
mass effect: real-time w/ pause, FPP, player based combat. meh story
oblivion: real-time, FPP, player based combat, stupid story
fallout3: real-time w/ pause, FPP, some charecter and some player combat, stupid story.
NOPE! dont wanna be like everyone else do ya petey!
When reading the PR coming from bethesda I can't help but feel like I'm watching hurdles at a highschool track meet.
They clearly understand the goal of the enterprise and all the steps to get there, yet at each hurdle stumble a bit and struggle to maintain a true path.
They clearly understand the goal of the enterprise and all the steps to get there, yet at each hurdle stumble a bit and struggle to maintain a true path.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Only his point was that Bethesda don't actually innovate anything. And that's no opinion, it's fact.
thefalloutfan
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
FeelTheRads said:
There's no fact, the game isn't out yet. And Beth fans will tend to disagree with you.
Kyuu said:
Neither are Witcher or Gothic. Third person over the shoulder cam all of them.
Still, you and thefalloutfan are just humping details. His point stands, Fallout 3 is very similar to a lot of recent RPGs recently. More specifically, it has the FPSRPG gameplay that is also available in Mass Effect and Alpha Protocol. It is not a very original game in this time and place.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
thefalloutfan said:
Don't give me the "it's not out yet". Anyone without serious brain or eye damage can see this game doesn't innovates anything.
But OK, forget about Fallout 3 and name a thing Bethesda innovated in any of their games. Just one thing.
And? The fact that a group of people on whom facts and logic are lost believes otherwise makes it not true?
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Although, except for The Witcher about which I'm not sure, I think the others can be played in FPP if you choose to.
Paul_cz
Mildly Dipped
Brother None said:
Similar to a lot of rpgs recently? really?
Only sandbox rpgs I remember that let you go and do whenever wherever whatever you want are Oblivion, Two Worlds and Gothic 3. All of those fantasy.
And all those are quite old and sucky (though I like G3 and Oblivion a lot).
Mass Effect, Witcher...all those are very different.
bonustime
First time out of the vault
I believe what he means is that basically all the differences between Fallout 3 and the previous Fallout games are basically the common staples for RPGs nowadays. Therefore saying that the "innovations" they have applied to the series are things that have been around for years anyways. The main way Fallout 3 deviates from RPGs on offer now are mostly stuff from previous Fallout games or Oblivian.Paul_cz said:
edit: Also I wouldn't really call Oblivian, etc old I mean it's only been like 2 years since it was released?
Paul_cz
Mildly Dipped
bonustime said:
They might not innovate, but they still make games that are very scarce on the market.And yes, its been two and a half years since ObliviOn's release, by old I did not mean "old" as Fallout. But the fact that there aren't any "go whenever do whatever" rpgs that are not fantasy stands.
Paul_cz said:
You think a game that shares prominent elements with *THREE* recent (quite old? I hope you're joking) AAA-titles (albeit TW/G3 are the second-tier AAA of Europe) is original?
Not to mention its heavy ties to GTA gameplay?
Not to mention open world is only one element of gameplay. It's close to being the definitive element, only it really isn't. The fact that it is an open-world FPSRPG doesn't mean it isn't actually an FPSRPG. Just like Mass Effect. And Alpha Protocol.
innovation
Actually Daggerfall was a great game with a lot of innovations. Huge map. Non liner gameplay. (FYI it came out over a year before Fallout.) Was bigger. (alot buggier though. Before Patch) I loved the magic/enchantment system in it. Also Had different endings depending on what you did.
You could say Fallout may have taken a page or two from Daggerfall.
Not saying they did mind you. Just that they could have even if no ones ever said they did.
FeelTheRads said:
Actually Daggerfall was a great game with a lot of innovations. Huge map. Non liner gameplay. (FYI it came out over a year before Fallout.) Was bigger. (alot buggier though. Before Patch) I loved the magic/enchantment system in it. Also Had different endings depending on what you did.
You could say Fallout may have taken a page or two from Daggerfall.
Not saying they did mind you. Just that they could have even if no ones ever said they did.
Then wouldn't those gameplay elements (according to Pete) be stale by now?
I mean. Bethesda has been doing "open world" since Daggerfall. Although it wasn't really the same people....the point still stands.
Bethesda is doing nothing to be "innovative". They're taking Fallout, and shoehorning it into their design preferences. Design preferences, that seem to be the popular trend right now. How is this innovation?
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Already done in 1992 and much better by Darklands which is still the ultimate open-ended game.
Try again.
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