Skyrim and Oblivion

[Irwin John Finster]

Guess so. The fast food generation.

I've seen people on other forums talking about how they've never played a game with such incredible depth as Fallout 4 - specifically because of Kid in the Fridge. They think Kid in the Fridge is deep. I'll let that sink in for a moment.

It is not at all a stretch to imagine Elder Scrolls 6 to be the dumbest game ever made when you consider this. Both Bethesda and its fanboys are getting more dumbed down with every iteration of their games.

I'd like to think that Obsidian made their Herculean effort to make New Vegas in less than 2 years in part because they knew this was the only way Fallout fans would ever see a Fallout RPG again.

As for Oblivion vs. Skyrim - Oblivion is better. It had much better quests. Bethesda's games have consistently been dumbed down with every single iteration without exception. Everytime they take one step forward (like with the improved FPS mechanics in Fallout 4), they take 100 steps back (like with everything else in Fallout 4).

 

[Kohno]

I'd like to think that Obsidian made their Herculean effort to make New Vegas in less than 2 years in part because they knew this was the only way Fallout fans would ever see a Fallout RPG again.

I don't tend to let NV off the hook too easily, but that's one thing I do tip my hat for; it's really an achievement that they actually managed to make the game for what it ended up as with what they were given.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I don't tend to let NV off the hook too easily, but that's one thing I do tip my hat for; it's really an achievement that they actually managed to make the game for what it ended up as with what they were given.

Play Fallout 4 for 200 hours like I did, then go play New Vegas. Any faults New Vegas has suddenly disappear when you play Fallout 4 that long. It feels like finding water in the desert.

I get the feeling a lot of people here just assume Fallout 4 is bad and never really played it in depth, and so they think it's just another Fallout 3 or something. I have to say that Fallout 4 makes Fallout 3 look like a bloody masterpiece RPG in comparison. It really is that terrible. Words do not do justice at explaining how much Bethesda ruined the franchise with Fallout 4. It doesn't even have the illusion of being a Fallout RPG.

So yea, I will promote New Vegas to no end because as of now it's the last Fallout RPG we're likely to see, though I still hope beyond hope there will be another.

But back on topic: Oblivion vs. Skyrim. The Dark Brotherhood questline. Enough said. It's awful and terribly written in Skyrim, and is much better in Oblivion.

 

[Kohno]

Play Fallout 4 for 200 hours

Hah. Not going to happen.

I get the feeling a lot of people here just assume Fallout 4 is bad and never really played it in depth

There's no need to play it indepth if it is obvious from very early on that it is bad.

Fallout 3's alleged "better than 4" parts are not of any consequence either. Arguing the color of shit won't take us anywhere we'd want to be.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

There's no need to play it indepth if it is obvious from very early on that it is bad.

Yea but like I said - if you play Fallout 4 that long and suddenly go play New Vegas like I did and then see all the interesting quests and dialogue and choices in New Vegas, it really feels like finding water after wandering in a desert. After all the absolute lazy cash grab garbage that is Fallout 4, New Vegas looks so much better than it already is.

As far as I'm concerned, New Vegas is arguably the best Fallout game ever made and at the very least it is the best modern Fallout game. Any flaws it may have are very, very small when you consider that its successor is Fallout 4 and that it was made in less than 2 years.

Another on topic: The Shivering Isles destroys Skyrim also. Oblivion's soundtrack was better. The Thieves guild quest was just as bad as the Dark Brotherhood questline in Skyrim, while they were both better in Oblivion. Oblivion had Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean.

The Oblivion Mages Guild actually made you work a little for advancement, whereas Skyrim Mages Guild basically just said "ALL HAIL OUR MAGE LEADER WE JUST MET!" and began Bethesda's path towards making you Minuteman General in the first hour of Fallout 4.

 

[Shardik]

Yea but like I said - if you play Fallout 4 that long and suddenly go play New Vegas like I did and then see all the interesting quests and dialogue and choices in New Vegas, it really feels like finding water after wandering in a desert. After all the absolute lazy cash grab garbage that is Fallout 4, New Vegas looks so much better than it already is.

As far as I'm concerned, New Vegas is arguably the best Fallout game ever made and at the very least it is the best modern Fallout game. Any flaws it may have are very, very small when you consider that its successor is Fallout 4 and that it was made in less than 2 years.

Another on topic: The Shivering Isles destroys Skyrim also.

The problem with that is making it through 200 hours of Fallout 4. I can get 50-60 hours out of it before I just can't take it any more.

 

[Kohno]

Yea but like I said - if you play Fallout 4 that long and suddenly go play New Vegas like I did and then see all the interesting quests and dialogue and choices in New Vegas, it really feels like finding water after wandering in a desert. After all the absolute lazy cash grab garbage that is Fallout 4, New Vegas looks so much better than it already is.

As far as I'm concerned, New Vegas is arguably the best Fallout game ever made and at the very least it is the best modern Fallout game.

Yeah, I got what you meant. I'd wager it felt pretty much the same going back to Fallout 2 after PoS.

But the thing about "playing 100's of hours" for me is... well, I haven't even played New Vegas that much. I had two playthroughs (Legion and House) both of which took around 60 hours, at which point I felt compelled to wrap things up if I were to wrap them up at all. Then I have something like 10 to 15 attempts (from back then to this date) at the NCR run all of which have ended either at Novac or arriving at the Strip because I just couldn't play it anymore out of sheer boredom.

It'd be impossible for me to play a shit game like Fallout 4 for as long as it takes to really embrace and inhale the shittiness, when I can't even play a decent game that long.

 

[Mak]

I got about 1000 hours in Skyrim, yet even though I've played the FUCK out of it, I wish it had more character specialization, more role-playing. Oblivion is better.