Smack that bottom?

Should we spank kids?

  • Yes, take away the rod, spoil the child

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No way, this causes a lost of self-esteem and we don't want that!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, kids that are spanked become psycho-killers as adults

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Screw the kids, I am having trouble getting my date to spank me!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    210

welsh

Junkmaster
Ok, the French are up to something here.

What do you think? SHould parents be allowed to spank their kid or is this the beginning of the decline of civilization?

Here's the article-

Education in France

The bottom line

Sep 18th 2003 | PARIS
From The Economist print edition

Should parents smack their children? The great debate, in French

EVER wondered why French children are so unnaturally well-behaved in restaurants? Could the liberal use by French parents of a firm smack be responsible? According to one poll, 84% of them admit to smacking their children, a practice banned in countries from Sweden to Germany, and 51% say they do so often.

The French like to appear baffled, even amused, by others' efforts to ban the habit. A recent British move to outlaw smacking by child-minders made Le Figaro's front page. Certainly, there is no taboo against smacking in public: many a harassed parent can be seen unapologetically slapping a tot in a park or supermarket. It is part of the repertoire of unsentimental child-rearing practices that set France apart from the indulgent child-centric American tradition. Surely, say the French, parents can be trusted to know the difference between the odd slap and repeated physical abuse?

This complacency, however, argue increasingly vocal child-protection groups, masks a serious problem. A culture that legitimises smacking can encourage the concealment of graver abuse. In 2001, 1.9m calls were made to an emergency childline service. Last week, Christian Jacob, the minister for the family, announced the setting up of an institute for child mistreatment. It will gather figures on the problem, assess early-warning policies, and consider whether to let child-protection agencies take civil action against parents suspected of violence. A television awareness campaign, which shows children hitting and shouting at a recalcitrant doll they are play-feeding, and carries the slogan “Being a parent is not child's play”, will also be screened.

Some campaigners want more. How is mistreatment to be defined? No Slapping No Smacking, an organisation set up in 1998, wants corporal punishment in the home outlawed. Its head, Dr Jacqueline Cornet, argues that smacking, however occasional, undermines children's confidence, weakens their emotional relationships, and encourages the use of violence to resolve disputes. Even French women's magazines and child-rearing books are beginning to counsel against the practice. “A child is not a puppy to be trained”, advises a recent issue of Elle magazine. Stand by for rowdier meal times in the brasserie.
 
Jeez Welsh, you're really asking some loaded questions today....

welsh said:
Some campaigners want more. How is mistreatment to be defined? No Slapping No Smacking, an organisation set up in 1998, wants corporal punishment in the home outlawed. Its head, Dr Jacqueline Cornet, argues that smacking, however occasional, undermines children's confidence, weakens their emotional relationships, and encourages the use of violence to resolve disputes.

I guess I should go inform my grandfather of this fact, since apparently he's not aware that since he got the belt many times as a kid he should have no confidence, weak emotional relationships, and should use violence in settling disputes. Who the hell does he think he is, proving this fine doctor wrong?

I think it's pretty clear cut what is and isn't child abuse, and the occasional smack is not child abuse. Also, anyone who says that the effects of physical discipline on a child, to whatever degree, are predictable and consistent is an ass. I don't know what this doctor is basing her argument on, but just thinking of family members and people I know proves to me that it's bullshit.
 
I don't really care about smacking, I'm sure everyone had a few belts around the head and shit?

I think smacking should be allowed, but it's a bit...iffy. I think kids who do bad stuff accidently or didn't have a reason to do stuff shouldn't be smacked, but spoilt loud kids should have a nice quick jab in the face yakka-pow! I don't think it should be over-done though, or parents apologise afterward and stuff.

You can't really police parents or have a smacking limit though, so I suppose it should be monitored. I remember being smacked and stuff as a kid for stuff I did by accident, and I'm sure plenty of kids get beaten un-fairly. In the end it's up to the parent?
 
Silly person in Article: "A child is not a puppy to be trained"

Puppy's are never to be smacked.
 
I have ONCE when i was 15 years old punched my five years younger sister. The reason was that she was crasy and did not want to open the door because she had taken in the mail. We had an argument and i punched her, In the guts. I have regretted it ever since.

The result was that she for the next five days was much easier to be around, much more silent and less bitch. I felt like a total arsehole.
Anyway i disscused it with my father, later that day after he had heard of it. My argument was that: my sister does a lot of stupid things, she is going through a certain turn in life, and would start an argument about everything. But then i punched here and instead of going through a fifteen minute argument i got an effect imideatly. In other words it worked.
But what? Should i go and punch her anytime she was wrong should she fear me and do things because she might be punched even though she felt she was right? Many questions.

My point is should a child shut upp when the familiy visits a resturant because it knows that it might be hurt if it opens the mouth? No offcourse not. It should shut upp because it knows that it is not okay to speak because it might be rude or something, but not because it might cause pain to open its mouth.
I consider the habbit of smacking your children to get them to behave, a barbaric custom that should be outlawed. And i think that people that do it is patetic parents. There is other ways, and pain should never be a part of raising a child.

Also, yes puppys should not be smaked, but when they grow upp they should learn what to do or not. But when they are above puppies, there is no mercy, wring their neck if they disobeyes the third time.
 
French children are so unnaturally well-behaved in restaurants
Err....I have a strong feeling of bullshit with this sentence. I've seen to many ill-behaved French... ;)

But, I do, somewhere, feel that physical discipline should be allowed, but that there is most certainly a line, and that it most definitely should not be used except in the most extreme of cases, when the child just won't listen to commanding, being sent to rooms or whatever.

The problem, then, ofcourse is, where is that line, and how can you control people? You can't, so perhaps the safest thing would be to outlaw all smacking, but to have a certain condoning policy, if ever seen. This would still give enough lawful power when something happens, that shouldn't happen.
 
I got spanked a hell of a lot when I was kid and to be honest: I still like it. Nowadays I get spanked by a high heeled brunette, though.
 
Loxley said:
I have ONCE when i was 15 years old punched my five years younger sister. The reason was that she was crasy and did not want to open the door because she had taken in the mail. We had an argument and i punched her, In the guts. I have regretted it ever since.

When I punched my sister in the face she just started crying and kept being a bitch.

My point is --- a child.

Pain should be a part of raising kids, life on da streets is hard if you don't have anything to rap about.



Also, yes puppys should not be smaked, but when they grow upp they should learn what to do or not. But when they are above puppies, there is no mercy, wring their neck if they disobeyes the third time.
My sister kept smacking my friends puppy and it fell over :( poor pupai

Seems like most people here weren't smacked? Bizarro. What kind of a civilised society do we live in if we can't have abortions or beat the hell out of our kids because they crossed the road.
 
abortions or beat the hell out of our kids because they crossed the road.
I hope you seriously realise the difference between these things...

Seriously.
 
yea, I was just thinking about this joke about aborting a 4 year old.

Does smacking really make a difference? I imagine psychological trauma would leave a lasting mark or something.
 
Well I'm a believer of not hitting/spanking kids, seems wrong to use an agressive force to teach kids rather than using your mind and other ways of disiplining the kids.
 
I don't think most kids have the mental capacity to be able to reason with them. If you let your hand do the talking... im sure they will get the message.

of course you have to do it within reason and FOR a really good reason.
 
Blade Runner said:
I got spanked a hell of a lot when I was kid and to be honest: I still like it. Nowadays I get spanked by a high heeled brunette, though.

Excellent!
 
I may not be the right person for this discussion, because I don't have and don't desire to have any children, but I know if one of my parents smacked me, they would have to buy me a VERY expensive present to make me talk to them again!

And Welsh, what's the deal with all those polls? Are you doing some kind of a research? :lol:
 
At the summer camp that I worked at had a policy: If you ever so much as grabbed a camper's arm or turned their head so they would look at you, you would be fired on the spot. Unfortunately one the my best friends from the camp got fired because of this over the summer.

Never harm a child. If you do, you're admitting that you can't provide a logical reason to the child and will force them to see your way instead of allowing them the choice to judge and choose what is the best decision.

Kids First
 
I don't think it's such a good idea... For the parent I mean. Last time my parent smacked me, I gave em a right good 'ol smack aroo in the face.
 
The thing is, that an act of pshysical "abuse" (if you will, depends on who's looking of course) seems to primal for me to do. I believe we've evolved from that and to something better.

You all know that you're smarter than the kid, use your wits and outsmart him.. You shouldn't have to slap him to understand that this can be dangerous or that this kind of behaviour isn't allowed. Of course everyone that doesn't smack their kids, usually end up threatening it. BUT why not use another threat, no TV, no staying up etc..etc..
 
Yes, yes, but, stay with me for a sec, the kid can outsmart the adult? Then is that when the shit hits the fan? So to speak.
 
The kid only out-smarts the adult if he's liek..home...and alone.

I think a better way would be just to educate them instead of slapping them round. Like if they steal something, take something of theres, if they start screaming for attention don't talk to them for a few days. They'll either get the message or kill themselves, everybody wins.
 
Now here comes something else to think of. I'm 14, so, technically, am I a kid? I know in the lands of the nether that when you turn 13 you are technically an adult(granted that's just because they want to exploit you for more money on tickets and air travel). Give it some thought.
 
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