So, a month later, where did those scans go?

[Per]

I gotta agree with Briosa, the idea that it's understandable that GI didn't care to deal with the big news sites is laughable. One site starts off by posting the scans, then a whole slew of professional gaming sites do the same and that's supposed to be a lesser offense because they refer to us as the original source?

... Absurd.

 

[aries369]

As I've understood this whole thing or commotion over the GI scans, the other sites that had them up where very or somewhat positive to the changes in the Fallout universe, the story etc. and all that stuff.

NMA and D&C were not - that positive. Immediately I and other posters here said our minds about the main quest, asked questions about the Fatboy, the rocketlaunching small nuclear weapon, pointed out that supermutants on the East Coast as well as the BoS were not part of the Fallout canon. And began critizing the picture of the supermutant for looking more similar to the Urak-Hai in the LOTR movies than the ones from the old Fallout games.
This was followed by a massively criticisms of the quest to blow up Megaton which, imo, still is a very stupid thing to do.

During the weekend all this of course spread to Gstaff, Game Informer, and Zenimax Corp. During the weekend the scans were going up all over the place. I think I've seen them at gamespot, and at ign, too. And I don't think Bethsoft/Zenimax wishes to mess with Gamespot, IGN or Gamespy...

Even if Game Informer does make away with all these scans, people might just be uploading them again, or they can be found in the Google Archive, or the Netarchive, or Google Cache. Because, nothing really disappears from the net, you see

So, yes web 2.0 (or even web 2.5?) has struck again. People won't tolerate anymore that big corporations should decide what they can se or can't see. As I live in Europe, I'll admit that the only chance to see the Fallout 3 info from the GI article has been here.
(unless, of course I'd lived in the UK. which I don't). The whole part to me, speaks volumes, of how Bethsoft's PR is these days. They haven't learned that Fallout 3 is a global event, thus making it so that all gamesites got access to see a bit of F3. (ok, well, maybe they have, with the F3 invite to selected gamesites...not NMA or D&C, though).

The point is this:
NMA has been outspoken critical about the article in the GI Magazine. And as such has been singlehandedly targeted out, at least it feels that way, for beeing (way too) critical about the Fallout 3 game that Bethsoft is making. And as such Bethsoft, Gstaff, GI Magazine, etc. has done their best to shut NMA up.
(sorry for the strong language, but I do feel it is relevant here).

 

[Sorrow]

It only proves what was written about reviews and previews - gaming companies love bootlickers and hate real people.

 

[fedaykin]

GI and Bethesda obviously don't understand that the internet is not a big truck. It's a series of tubes.

 

[xdarkyrex]

It only proves what was written about reviews and previews - gaming companies love bootlickers and hate real people.

Well in their defense, the people here are arrogant and stubborn about what games should be. Half of the main insults about FO3 were or are just speculation, which sounds more like a political smear campaign when they're brought up over and over and over, instead of a fair and constructive critique (not in all cases, we have those too). When giving an art critique, there is a form and method, as to not just be an asshole, and for your critique to be constructive. Voicing your opinion doesn't accomplish shit if you aren't trying to help. There is a line between just being a whiny bitch, and being a critic. If any of you ever take an art class where they teach you critiquing etiquette, you will understand what I mean. you can be just as critical while still being civil, and also being helpful.

But also, that gives them no excuse or right to single us out about legal issues.
Its bullshit, and they should stop.

 

[stingray420]

Anyone with half a brain can see what happened here.

People on NMA were critical of the article, sites were linking to NMA and lots of people were coming here for the scans. When they got here they saw a lot of negative comments on the article.

The Beth PR guys shit themselves into a fit, and demanded that GI demand the scans be taken down, or likely Beth would have refused further exclusives or ad sales to them. They didn't care about the other sites because they were full of mostly positive people and comments on the article.

As to what someone else suggested earlier, is Beth scared of blacklisting NMA? Yes, I really think they are. If they black listed this site I think it would for sure polarize the issue. It would be a PR nightmare, more so then it already is.

Can you see the headline: "Fallout 3 maker Bans biggest Fallout fan site".

 

[Makagulfazel]

People on NMA were critical of the article, sites were linking to NMA and lots of people were coming here for the scans. When they got here they saw a lot of negative comments on the article.

You, sir, are correct. Here's an e-cookie.

As to what someone else suggested earlier, is Beth scared of blacklisting NMA? Yes, I really think they are. If they black listed this site I think it would for sure polarize the issue. It would be a PR nightmare, more so then it already is.

Can you see the headline: "Fallout 3 maker Bans biggest Fallout fan site".

Sadly, I don't think too many people would really care. As long as they can shoot a nuclear catapult at an orc or explode a nuclear car with a few bullets, they're game.

Edit: Removed extra [/quote] tag

 

[Black]

Actually, some people would like to see bethesda blacklisting NMA.
I don't know how that happened but if you look at TES forums you can come to conclusion that people think of NMA as a rabid FO community, filled with idiots who can't accept next-gen.

 

[Per]

When giving an art critique,

Is that what you think is going on here?

and for your critique to be constructive.

Yes, a lot of people do use the words "constructive criticism" as code for "say only nice things".

Voicing your opinion doesn't accomplish shit if you aren't trying to help.

Explain how you are "helping", then. If you cannot, you obviously don't need to be here "voicing your opinion".

 

[Brother None]

I don't know how that happened but if you look at TES forums you can come to conclusion that people think of NMA as a rabid FO community, filled with idiots who can't accept next-gen.

No, they don't, not really. there just a small group constantly badmouthing us in an attempt to make us look bad. Ironic, in a way.

 

[fedaykin]

But also, that gives them no excuse or right to single us out about legal issues.

The fact that some people make acerbic comments about Bethesda's oh so kewl nuclear catapults and toilet water drinking does not give them an excuse for putting such stupid things into the game.

 

[stingray420]

No, they don't, not really. there just a small group constantly badmouthing us in an attempt to make us look bad. Ironic, in a way.

I agree, there are maybe 5 or 6 people who are out, at all costs to badmouth NMA. I don't exactly know what there issue is to be honest but they will go out of there way to jab and insult NMA anyway they can. And there is a decided lack of willingness on the mods part to stop this. in fact there is a mod I would count among them *coughccnacough*. But if you in turn attack them you will be lucky if your post is just simply erased.

 

[Sorrow]

Well in their defense, the people here are arrogant and stubborn about what games should be. Half of the main insults about FO3 were or are just speculation, which sounds more like a political smear campaign when they're brought up over and over and over, instead of a fair and constructive critique (not in all cases, we have those too). When giving an art critique, there is a form and method, as to not just be an asshole, and for your critique to be constructive. Voicing your opinion doesn't accomplish shit if you aren't trying to help. There is a line between just being a whiny bitch, and being a critic. If any of you ever take an art class where they teach you critiquing etiquette, you will understand what I mean. you can be just as critical while still being civil, and also being helpful.

Constructive critique is reserved for people who listen to it and who want help.
Creators of Fallout 3 don't deserve constructive critique, because they don't try to crate a good Fallout 3 but a non-Fallout game in Fallout-like setting.
They deserve only flaming for what they are doing to Fallout series. Also, they deserve flaming for constant slandering of Fallout 1 and 2.

 

[Wild_qwerty]

I actually believe Beth is doing all this to help capture some of the true feeling of fallout, it feels just like that time in broken hills when I lost the arm wrestle with that super mutant and he proceeded to butt @#%$ me.

 

[xdarkyrex]

When giving an art critique,

Is that what you think is going on here?

and for your critique to be constructive.

Yes, a lot of people do use the words "constructive criticism" as code for "say only nice things".

Voicing your opinion doesn't accomplish shit if you aren't trying to help.

Explain how you are "helping", then. If you cannot, you obviously don't need to be here "voicing your opinion".

I refer to my argument about being formally educated on art critiquing

Believe me, I have many not-so-nice things to say about Fallout 3, and I say them, but I handle it in a constructive way. Tearing something down is a waste of time. How many times have you made something in your life, only to have someone go "that sucks" even if you were proud of it? All it accomplishes is to tear down something, and if your only goal is to just tear something down, then it's not critiquing. Just saying "it sucks" or "I don't like it" accomplishes nothing other than to irritate the person who made it.
I'm not saying we are all guilty of this, but it's very common among a large group of vocal fans across many sites. But there is a perception out there that NMA is all people who are like that, and I can guarantee that is why Bethsoft hates us and are being petty about it. (which I still think is wrong)

Hell, I used to think that NMA was a bunch of assholes, but that was because I came in as a "noob" and Rosh left a bad mark on me haha. Now having seen what it's like to get asked the same questions by people who stumble into here over and over again, I can appreciate why you guys might have been irritated. But the point is that this place, whether deserved or not, has quite a bad reputation.

I'm just advocating a little tact is all. I think we could be civil with Bethsoft and hate them at the same time.

 

[lisac2k]

They deserve only flaming for what they are doing to Fallout series. Also, they deserve flaming for constant slandering of Fallout 1 and 2.

This started to worry me a few days ago... They really do it (although packed up in a nice language envelope and served with a creme), no shame, no respect.

I prepare revenge.

 

[trustno1]

BTW why didn't they repost NMA in that sticky with fansites after the scans had been deleted?

 

[Sorrow]

I refer to my argument about being formally educated on art critiquing

Believe me, I have many not-so-nice things to say about Fallout 3, and I say them, but I handle it in a constructive way. Tearing something down is a waste of time. How many times have you made something in your life, only to have someone go "that sucks" even if you were proud of it?

Good. If they feel bad about it, then the effort isn't wasted. They should suffer for their crimes against CTRPGs.

Just saying "it sucks" or "I don't like it" accomplishes nothing other than to irritate the person who made it.

It's good when they are irritated, they should be irritated just as we are irritated because their of lies about Fallout and FINO 3.

I'm just advocating a little tact is all. I think we could be civil with Bethsoft and hate them at the same time.

That kills the point. There's no point in being civil with Bethsoft. They have made innumerable crimes against Fallout setting and said unforgivable lies about the original Fallout.

The truth is that our enemies hate us because they hate Fallout - they hate the very core of Fallout. They want the legacy of GURPS: Fallout to be forgotten. They hate CTRPGs, because they are stuck LARPing in 3d FPP false life and they can't appreciate games stylised on tabletop RPGs.

 

[lisac2k]

They hate CTRPGs, because they are stuck LARPing in 3d FPP false life and they can't appreciate games stylised on tabletop RPGs.

Imagination.

Some people don't have it, or it's being deviated.

Edited: quote tags.

 

[Sorrow]

They hate CTRPGs, because they are stuck LARPing in 3d FPP false life and they can't appreciate games stylised on tabletop RPGs.

Imagination.

Some people don't have it, or it's being deviated.

I don't use my imagination when playing Fallout, OS or ToEE. The stylised graphics and text are enough for me to immerse myself into the game.