So, how good are the other 2 Matrix films?

Dragula said:
Public said:
The Matrix can be considered as a classic.
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No, it can not.
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Yes it can.

It is a classic movie. It basically made wire-fu big in the west
It's #27 on the IMDb Top 250. Whether or not you personally like it, it's still a classic.
 
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Farmerk said:
Matrix 2 has all the cool special effects with none of the cool plot, and 3 has nothing of value. The slow parts of 2 are twice as unbearable as the slow parts of 1, and there are nothing but slow parts in 3. The cool parts in 3 are lamer than the lame parts of 1.
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I agree with this, though I'd add that the first film, watchable as it is, didn't have much of a cool plot either.
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I would not do the mistake anyway to see the matrix movies individually but rather try to see if the "whole" series of all 3 movies together was entertaining or not. Did they had their flaws and bad moments? Definetly. But as whole all 3 movies together from Matrix 1 to Matrix 3 I think they are very well done and try at least to tell a "good" story. Its the small parts in the movies like the one or other conversation and of course fights that tie together from one part of the movie to the other that I find entertaining. It kinda gives a "realistic" representation of the theme and "world" in the movie which I miss today a lot in many movies (like Terminator 3 and 4 for example which basicaly have not much in common with the style of Terminator 1 or 2 and thus for me at least leave a strange feeling after watching the new movies as like they just dont "fit" the setting anymore).
 
The Matrix was a kinda fun movie that had massive amounts of style(for the time). The sequels just got stupid with way less fun and style.

Dark City which has already been mentioned is great movie, I prefer it to The Matrix. Watch that instead of Matrix 2 and 3.

Edit: Also Virtual Nightmare is the greatest falsified reality movie ever. Too bad it's impossible to get legitimately. The only way is to catch it on TV.
 
DexterMorgan, you are right on!

I'm especially loving The Second Renaissance Part 1 and 2.


"Your flesh is a mere relic of a vessel. "

"Hand over your flesh and a new world awaits you. We DEMAND it"

and nuke kaboom.
 
What I found the strangest about Matrix Reloaded were the scenes where all the main characters followed whomwever was at the front in a straight line. Almost as you were watching a JRPG on the big screen.
 
Personally I liked the first Matrix movie, but watching the second and third ones (even though I didn't hate them at the moment I was watching them) ruined the whole series for me, even the first movie. Now I can't bear to watch any of them.

Since you're asking for opinions on what you should do, I vote that you don't watch Reloaded and Revolutions. You might not hate them, you might even like them, but I guarantee they aren't as good as the first one. Be content with enjoying the original.
 
Sander said:
It's #27 on the IMDb Top 250.
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Are these numbers for real?. If they are, that means the people making that Top 250 could not think but to 26 great quality/classic movies before shoving The matrix at number 27??

Absurd.

(I'll have to check that list to see what great movies are placed below the matrix... just for the cheap laugh)

And yes, 2 & 3 are pretty mediocre all-flash no-substance movies, and are much worst that the first one.
 
x'il said:
Sander said:
It's #27 on the IMDb Top 250.
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Are these numbers for real?. If they are, that means the people making that Top 250 could not think but to 26 great quality/classic movies before shoving The matrix at number 27??
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It's based on user votes. So The Matrix must appeal to alot of IMDB users.
 
I loved all three, but while the first one is flawless, the other two are not.They are still great and altogether with Animatrix it is a great scifi saga.
 
You should watch them all. If you look a bit beneath the surface you shall see that action in the movies is quite irrelevant, and the trilogy actually tries to explain some of the deepest philosophical questions that are bothering humanity from the dawn of sentience - whether the movies make some things a bit clearer or more confusing (or even fail to answer any of your questions about "life, universe and everything else") is up to your subjective point of view. At the very least they'll make you wonder for a few days...

But IMHO if you're really up for some abstract pondering you're way off better with books. So go read. A lot of them. NOW. If you're just watching the "Matrixes" for the action, then I again wholeheartedly recommend them (accent being on the sequels - Reloaded and Revolution).

The first one is the best of course.
 
Panker_u_sakou_starom said:
You should watch them all. If you look a bit beneath the surface you shall see that action in the movies is quite irrelevant, and the trilogy actually tries to explain some of the deepest philosophical questions that are bothering humanity from the dawn of sentience - whether the movies make some things a bit clearer or more confusing (or even fail to answer any of your questions about "life, universe and everything else") is up to your subjective point of view. At the very least they'll make you wonder for a few days...
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No it doesn't, it actually fails to ask those very same questions. Authors have no interest in that. Matrix is an synonim for pseudo-philosophical-religious-crap being shoved down my throat by Wachovski (sp?) bros.
 
x'il said:
Are these numbers for real?. If they are, that means the people making that Top 250 could not think but to 26 great quality/classic movies before shoving The matrix at number 27??
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I think the high placement of the Lord of the Rings movies is a lot more absurd than the high placement of The Matrix, but it is what it is. It is pretty solidly a classic movie.

Panker said:
You should watch them all. If you look a bit beneath the surface you shall see that action in the movies is quite irrelevant, and the trilogy actually tries to explain some of the deepest philosophical questions that are bothering humanity from the dawn of sentience - whether the movies make some things a bit clearer or more confusing (or even fail to answer any of your questions about "life, universe and everything else") is up to your subjective point of view. At the very least they'll make you wonder for a few days...
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What? The movies don't do that at all. They attempt to throw in some philosophical questions, but actually ignore any of the interesting things. They have a total of 1 guy asking himself 'Why would I not want to live in the Matrix', and he's one of the main antagonists of the first movie, which demonises his viewpoint.

How does it even approach the 'deepest philosophical questions'? All it does is look (very superficially) at symbolism vs reality (in a pretty flawed way), and then ignore the actually interesting implications. They go all philosophical with that Architect dialogue at the end of the second movie, and then use the dumbassed 'love conquers all' cop-out.

It's a neat sci-fi series based on a fundamentally flawed premise that turns pretentious and stupid in the last two movies
 
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The sole premise of the movie is giving the answer (withing the frame of the story) to one of the oldest philosophical questions: Is our world real or is it just an illusion? And with Matrix being just a virtual simulation of the reality the answer is, yes, we are living in an illusion controlled by "some higher entity" (Architect)...then there is faith vs logic debate and the afterlife question as well as the "what's the purpose of existence" and relevance of emotions/moral/ethics within the boundaries of mind (are we weak slaves to our urges or they make an integral part of the very essence that makes us human?) with great emphasis on "choices" and the meaning of "destiny"...And that's pretty much it. Everything else is fancy impossible kung-fu action (this is after all a Hollywood production blockbuster).

I did say it only tries to give an answer to all these questions. I didn't say it succeeded in explaining anything at all.

When I watched the movie back at '99 I was a clueless 12-year old kiddo. And although the movie failed to answer any real question (being a diet coke lite version of philosophical inquiry) it also made me to hunger for more, and from then on (and as the time passed) I started reading more and more relevant books on the said topic...so in a way I'm grateful to the Wachowski brothers for making the trilogy :)

I recommend the Matrix because IMHO it can do the same for people who disdain reading (I personally love reading; the movie just pointed me in another direction that I wasn't even considering at the time), especially when it has to do with something so irrelevant in everyday life as philosophy.
 
Panker_u_sakou_starom said:
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The sole premise of the movie is giving the answer (withing the frame of the story) to one of the oldest philosophical questions: Is our world real or is it just an illusion? And with Matrix being just a virtual simulation of the reality the answer is, yes, we are living in an illusion controlled by "some higher entity" (Architect)
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What?
That isn't an answer to a philosophical question at all. That's just a story premise.
And a flawed one at that.

Panker said:
...then there is faith vs logic debate and the afterlife question as well as the "what's the purpose of existence" and relevance of emotions/moral/ethics within the boundaries of mind (are we weak slaves to our urges or they make an integral part of the very essence that makes us human?) with great emphasis on "choices" and the meaning of "destiny"...And that's pretty much it. Everything else is fancy impossible kung-fu action (this is after all a Hollywood production blockbuster).

I did say it only tries to give an answer to all these questions. I didn't say it succeeded in explaining anything at all.
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Except the movies don't tackle or even approach any of this. They dismiss everything by hand-waving and throwing Neo at any obstacle.

If that sparked your interest in philosophy, that's fine. But that doesn't make the Matrix a philosophically deep movie.
 
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