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I loved the magic trick.
The Dark Knight
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SimpleMinded
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The movie sure is making a crapton of money. It's 5 day total is the best 7-day opening earnings ever. It's still got 2 days to spit on it even further 
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(source is boxofficemojo).
.(source is boxofficemojo).
how the fuck does anyone of you know what and what not happened when heath ledger died? did you know him? and, even IF youd known him on a personal level, could you exactly pinpoint how and why he died? are you a 100% sure that everx detail of his death was published, that there were NO suspicious elements, and there are a 100% no people who might be interested in feeding the press with certain details or omitting others in the process?
right. you dont have no clue whatsoever. i love your hubris when you argue over something completely shady
otoh, he was just another actor. you seem to have millions of those.
right. you dont have no clue whatsoever. i love your hubris when you argue over something completely shady
otoh, he was just another actor. you seem to have millions of those.
horst said:how the fuck does anyone of you know what and what not happened when heath ledger died? did you know him? and, even IF youd known him on a personal level, could you exactly pinpoint how and why he died? are you a 100% sure that everx detail of his death was published, that there were NO suspicious elements, and there are a 100% no people who might be interested in feeding the press with certain details or omitting others in the process?
right. you dont have no clue whatsoever. i love your hubris when you argue over something completely shady
otoh, he was just another actor. you seem to have millions of those.
God, you are drunk posting aren't you? ...
horst said:how the fuck does anyone of you know what and what not happened when heath ledger died? did you know him? and, even IF youd known him on a personal level, could you exactly pinpoint how and why he died? are you a 100% sure that everx detail of his death was published, that there were NO suspicious elements, and there are a 100% no people who might be interested in feeding the press with certain details or omitting others in the process?
right. you dont have no clue whatsoever. i love your hubris when you argue over something completely shady
He lived hard, he had a drug problem, he had a lung infection and probably couldn't sleep because of the stress of a painful divorce. They found the prescription medicines in his apartment and in his bloodstream during the autopsy which were labeled as his cause of death.
There isn't a big mystery here. Accidental overdoses happen every single day.
Why are you getting all butthurt over this?
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I_eat_supermutants
Vault Senior Citizen
I just saw it the other day. It was pretty damn good.
And the magic trick indeed was awesome.
The Joker was portrayed rather well in a realistic less comic book fashion. Awesome stuff.
And the magic trick indeed was awesome.
The Joker was portrayed rather well in a realistic less comic book fashion. Awesome stuff.
TwinkieGorilla
This ghoul has seen it all
SimpleMinded said:The movie sure is making a crapton of money. It's 5 day total is the best 7-day opening earnings ever. It's still got 2 days to spit on it even further
wonder what the figures'd look like if Ledger was alive an' kickin'.
SimpleMinded
Vault Fossil
I don't really know why his death should affect the movie one way or another. Whether he lived after the movie or died, wouldn't change the sheer quality of the movie. And that high quality is what's causing people to see it, and to go back and see it again.
Paladin Solo
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
People have some mad speculations about the next movie's villains.
For Two-face;
He's dead, get over it. And at the end of The Dark Knight, they had a memorial service for him, suggesting he's dead. I doubt they would do that if he was still alive, since he's still recognisable as Harvey Dent. The city being as corrupt as it is, you can only keep a secret for so long. If he was still alive, people would know, and then people would know Batman didn't murder those people. So the whole point to Dark Knight's ending would be void- Nolan wouldn't do that. Thus, Two-face is dead.
For Catwoman;
Please, no. Other than giving Batman someone he could have some weird, kinky sex with, she's just a side-show. It might be cool if instead she hunted Batman because now he's a villain, but other than that, I don't see it working out. The line "it'll do fine against cats" was probably just a homage.
For Riddler;
I think this is it. Cast and crew have said that he will be the next one, but that could just be their opinions. But there is that talk about how Mister (Mr.) Reese is going to be the Riddler. His name, said really fast, sounds like 'mysteries', even if his actual name is Coleman Reese.
There was that speculation about how the bank manager's name tag on his desk read "Edward Nigma" but I believe that to be just a homage. Besides, the Riddler changes his name a lot, and the name Edward Nigma is a riddle in itself- Edward Nigma is used as E. Nigma which when used sounds and looks like 'enigma'.
Penguin;
Hah, hah, hah, hah, heh, hoh, hah, heh, heh, heh, hah, and I thought my jokes were bad.
The Penguin sucks, and thankfully, Nolan agrees.
Anyways, I think a third movie where Batman gets chased down by a vigilante(s) because of now being a villain would be fitting, but I figure that would probably be a better side-show than main-event.
I should really get over how much I liked Dark Knight, because I'm starting to sound like a geek.
For Two-face;
He's dead, get over it. And at the end of The Dark Knight, they had a memorial service for him, suggesting he's dead. I doubt they would do that if he was still alive, since he's still recognisable as Harvey Dent. The city being as corrupt as it is, you can only keep a secret for so long. If he was still alive, people would know, and then people would know Batman didn't murder those people. So the whole point to Dark Knight's ending would be void- Nolan wouldn't do that. Thus, Two-face is dead.
For Catwoman;
Please, no. Other than giving Batman someone he could have some weird, kinky sex with, she's just a side-show. It might be cool if instead she hunted Batman because now he's a villain, but other than that, I don't see it working out. The line "it'll do fine against cats" was probably just a homage.
For Riddler;
I think this is it. Cast and crew have said that he will be the next one, but that could just be their opinions. But there is that talk about how Mister (Mr.) Reese is going to be the Riddler. His name, said really fast, sounds like 'mysteries', even if his actual name is Coleman Reese.
There was that speculation about how the bank manager's name tag on his desk read "Edward Nigma" but I believe that to be just a homage. Besides, the Riddler changes his name a lot, and the name Edward Nigma is a riddle in itself- Edward Nigma is used as E. Nigma which when used sounds and looks like 'enigma'.
Penguin;
Hah, hah, hah, hah, heh, hoh, hah, heh, heh, heh, hah, and I thought my jokes were bad.
The Penguin sucks, and thankfully, Nolan agrees.
Anyways, I think a third movie where Batman gets chased down by a vigilante(s) because of now being a villain would be fitting, but I figure that would probably be a better side-show than main-event.
I should really get over how much I liked Dark Knight, because I'm starting to sound like a geek.
TwinkieGorilla
This ghoul has seen it all
SimpleMinded said:
not sure if i agree with this entirely. i mean, the movie WAS excellent and i know i'm being cynical...but if the massive hype around Ledger's death and this movie were NOT an issue...if it just never happened because he was still alive, i am not so sure it woulda gone down like that.
Paladin Solo said:
This can go either way. I think it'd be just as convenient to keep Two-Face dead as it would be to create a "conspiracy" so that he can be brought back. The original plan for the story arc of the second and third movies was to have Two-Face as the main villain throughout the third film, and Eckhart has recently expressed his desire to return - so, nothing is final.
The Dark Knight's ending wouldn't be void at all if Two Face lives - the point is that he's not Harvey Dent anymore.
Catwoman would be an awesome character to introduce, especially since they killed off the Rachel Dawes character. The interesting thing about Catwoman is that she acts as a foil to both Batman and Bruce Wayne. Bruce is in love with Selina, and Batman is in love with Catwoman. Could be cool if done correctly (none of that bullshit from Batman Returns, and a rad costume). She isn't strong enough to be a primary antagonist of course, and really doesn't even need to be an antagonist for the entire movie. It would be nice to see Batman team up with someone and realize that he doesn't have to be alone in this next movie.
Reese is too fucking dumb to be The Riddler, I'm sorry. Nigma is a genius and should be portrayed as such. I'd really like to see him as the villain in the next film, I think it could be done well.
Uh, no? The Penguin is an awesome character and would fit perfectly into Nolan's world. He's a gentleman criminal with some flair - the character strikes a perfect balance between the traditional mob and the "freaks." Put Philip Seymour Hoffman in a top hat and you've got an awesome Penguin.
Nolan never said The Penguin "sucks." He just said he wasn't sure how to work him into the film series (which is strange, because The Penguin seems like the most logical and realistic fit). The Penguin was in an early draft of TDK as a British arms dealer.
If Two Face is really dead, I'd love to see an entire rogues gallery explored in the next movie. Catwoman/Selina Kyle as a minor antagonist then partner to Batsy and a love interest, The Riddler as the main villain, some more fucking Scarecrow, Joker locked up in Arkham, and The Penguin taking over the reigns of the mob.
The movie would be like three hours long, but it'd be a comic nerd's wet dream.
Paladin Solo
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Malky said:
But he is still Harvey Dent. People aren't just going to say "oh, it's okay, he got blown up, all that stuff about the Dark Knight is gone now, lulz."
Yeah, thanks for the unnecessary "I'll be the bad guy for five minutes."- ending. If Two-face is still alive, then Harvey Dent is still alive, thus, Harvey becomes what he tried to fight, thus, the whole point of the ending to The Dark Knight is void. Hey, at least we got to see Batman run away from the cops for a few seconds, and at least we'll get to see the Batsign back in the next movie! Right?
It was an important plot element that Batman's one rule would never be broken, and thus, criminals began to get wise to his act. Now, they think he's a murderer, so it should be interesting how that element would be used in the next movie.
Malky said:
When rumours began to fly that Bob Hoskins was going to be the Penguin in The Dark Knight, Nolan replied that he had no intention of using the Penguin, because he's too far-fetched of a character. And I agree. I don't know how I would take the plot of a Batman movie seriously with the Penguin. I seriously doubt his next Batman movie will be as uncampy as his others if there is to be a dwarf-penguin hybrid who is the alpha-male of a penguin populace living in the sewers of Gotham.
They can't do anything with the Penguin that hasn't been done already without making him a ridiculous villain. If anything, I'd hope that should Nolan change his mind about the Penguin, he'll simply be as important of a role as the Scarecrow was in The Dark Knight- five minutes.
But, perhaps Nolan will not use the dwarf-penguin hybrid vision. Instead, Nolan could just make the Penguin a typical human who just likes to dress up as if it were 1925, who runs a very violent and crazy circus troupe of which is only a small-time criminal organisation which seeks only to rape, murder, and pillage. But that's just the same shit, different day philosophy. We've already seen how people want to destroy, hold for ransom, or take over Gotham. What would the Penguin do other than be a distraction?
Moving Target
Mildly Dipped
Personally, I hope the only 'villain' Batman has to face in the next movie- if there is one- is Gordon. If the movie continues the same plot line, Batman will be a hunted vigilante with a hell of a lot of equipment... Honestly, it doesn't scream 'different costumed criminal' to me.
If there are costumed baddies in that movie, I do hope they don't do what they did to Two-Face in The Dark Knight: give him about ten minutes of screen time and (probably) kill him off.
If there are costumed baddies in that movie, I do hope they don't do what they did to Two-Face in The Dark Knight: give him about ten minutes of screen time and (probably) kill him off.
There is a single portrayal of The Penguin as a mutated sewer dwelling fish-boy. He has never appeared as such in the comics, TV series, or Animated Series. He also doesn't have a "circus troupe." He's a "gentleman criminal" who has an odd obsession with the avian. Hints of The Penguin even appeared in The Dark Knight ARG, with ads for the "Iceberg Lounge" popping up in the Gotham Times.
You obviously don't know anything about Batman lore outside of the previous films, so you probably shouldn't be trying to have this discussion with me.
Paladin Solo
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Malky said:
Congrats on your extremely large <s>penis</s><s>internets</s>Batman comic knowledge. That changes the fact that Nolan himself says Penguin is a ridiculous character or what vision Nolan will use for the Penguin, if any, how?
Oh wait, it doesn't. Let's keep talking about who knows how big Batman's penis is. This totally makes us look like men.
SimpleMinded
Vault Fossil
I read somewhere about an idea in which The Riddler would be brought in by the police to help track down Batman and stop him. I thought that had an interesting premise as it would have Batman fighting to keep alive against a pseudo-good character. (Even though Riddler had some skeletons in his closet).
Regardless, all of the ideas you threw out there sound hot Malky. I'm a little wary of the villain smorgasbord that you mentioned though as I feel too many characters can detract from the story (a la Spiderman 3)
Regardless, all of the ideas you threw out there sound hot Malky. I'm a little wary of the villain smorgasbord that you mentioned though as I feel too many characters can detract from the story (a la Spiderman 3)
Unkillable Cat
Mildly Dipped
*minor spoiler*
It would be easy for me to say that The Dark Knight was the best film of the year if it wasn't for WALL-E. At the end of the year, those two will be duking it out for the title.
I too loved the magic trick, but the real "LOL" moment for me (and sadly, no-one else in the theatre) was when the police were going through the Joker's things; Knife, another knife, big knife, sharp knife, big sharp knife...and a potato peeler.
As for future Batman villains...sorry to say this, but despite the large amount of Batman villains around, they suck. The good ones are already taken, and the rest do not seem to fit into Nolan's films. Catwoman and The Penguin are, at best, only good for 5-minute smackdowns. The Riddler might work as a secondary villain, but who would be the main villain then? Clayface? Mr. Freeze? Killer Croc? Bane? The Mad Hatter? Poison Ivy?
It would be easy for me to say that The Dark Knight was the best film of the year if it wasn't for WALL-E. At the end of the year, those two will be duking it out for the title.
I too loved the magic trick, but the real "LOL" moment for me (and sadly, no-one else in the theatre) was when the police were going through the Joker's things; Knife, another knife, big knife, sharp knife, big sharp knife...and a potato peeler.
As for future Batman villains...sorry to say this, but despite the large amount of Batman villains around, they suck. The good ones are already taken, and the rest do not seem to fit into Nolan's films. Catwoman and The Penguin are, at best, only good for 5-minute smackdowns. The Riddler might work as a secondary villain, but who would be the main villain then? Clayface? Mr. Freeze? Killer Croc? Bane? The Mad Hatter? Poison Ivy?
wow, that movie rocked. cant wait to watch it in english, i didnt like ze dsherman dubbing. stories seemed coherent, conclusive and consistent. well, i admit that there are a lot of people that are more... learned in the ways of batman cartoons, which may have issues with the movie. but, this one is a movie i look forward to watching again. and i cant recall any other super duper hero movie in that category (batman begins the exception) ledger rocks, it sucks that he is dead, tho i wont agree with any avid magazine reader that the circumstances of his death are crystal clear.
when i first heard (actually, read) from the "magic trick", it was crystal clear what that trick was. reminded me of the death by coffe cupo in riddick.
when i first heard (actually, read) from the "magic trick", it was crystal clear what that trick was. reminded me of the death by coffe cupo in riddick.