The Elder Scrolls Online

Crni Vuk said:
well the change of the landscape was pretty drastic when you consider that it was supposed to be some kind of jungle if I remember correctly. But what do you expect if people say things like "fantasy is for us a guy fighting stuff from a horse back" or something like "there are Demons! We have a dark game now!"
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You are ludicrously wrong.

Mehrunes Dagon, the invading Daedra lord in Oblivion, has always been a part of TES. He is not some "demon" or shit. His invasion of Cyrodiil was never intended to make a "dark game" (whatever the hell that means). It was just a Daedra lord- the Daedra lord of Destruction- invading all of Tamriel.

Secondly, while the change in landscape is severe, it is explained properly. Tiber Septim used his divine capabilities- CHIM, really- to fell the jungles of Oblivion. Now, while I would prefer jungle Cyrodiil to the goofy medieval thing we got, it is undeniably a solid explanation that shows the transformation of Tiber Septim into Talos.

Lastly. Horseback fighting? You couldn't even do that in Oblivion, firstly. But have you never heard of cavalry?
 
They've actually retconned the idea that Tiber Septim adapted the lands of Cyrodill to grasslands.

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/265849694708719616

On the subject of armor, I can give some good examples:

Skyrim (although the textures leave a lot to be desired, also there are boobplates.), The Witcher series, Dragon Age Origins (worse textures than Skyrim but the design is good, minus some boobplates I believe) and the upcoming Project Eternity has very nice armor and no boobplates as well.
 
That's quite disappointing answer for me...
I though armor design of skyrim wasn't good.
I can agree with Eternity and don't know about Witcher and DAO.

I can agree with Crni Vuk's opinion but I prefer more creative things.
but that doesn't mean I don't like realistic armor. actually I like real armors.

for me, armor designs of Morrowind is my favorite.
I love chitin armor, bonemold armor, glass armor and Endoril armor. and other armors are awesome for me.
but stahrim armor is...terrible. and other normal armors(iron, steel and imperial things) are good to me.

some of oblivion's armor design was good for me, especially crusader's armor, and chain mail.

but skyrim... nothing interesting.
 
 
From what I've seen, TESO armor is freaking shit in terms of armor desing. Painfully heroic, if you know what I mean. Moreover, those ridiculous shouders ;_;

Yeah. Another MMO with totally stupid and out-of-place looking shoulderpads. Not that other parts are any good but like in almost every MMO I played - shoulderpads pretty much suck.

I think WoW was first to introduce such big shoulderpads. It wasn't that bad, as it fit overall artistic style BUT in eg. SWTOR it looked like utter failure.

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Ok, in some cases it's really ain't that bad. But look at this:
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And that's one of the "not that bad" examples, LOL.

Now let's take a look at TESO.

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Le sigh. How is that shit even connected to that armor?


Personally, I'm a fan of shoulderpads integrated with chest pieces. This way you can avoid those...monstrosities. Just look at some real designs and how good they look:
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Wumbology said:
Crni Vuk said:
well the change of the landscape was pretty drastic when you consider that it was supposed to be some kind of jungle if I remember correctly. But what do you expect if people say things like "fantasy is for us a guy fighting stuff from a horse back" or something like "there are Demons! We have a dark game now!"
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You are ludicrously wrong.

Mehrunes Dagon, the invading Daedra lord in Oblivion, has always been a part of TES. He is not some "demon" or shit. His invasion of Cyrodiil was never intended to make a "dark game" (whatever the hell that means). It was just a Daedra lord- the Daedra lord of Destruction- invading all of Tamriel.

Secondly, while the change in landscape is severe, it is explained properly. Tiber Septim used his divine capabilities- CHIM, really- to fell the jungles of Oblivion. Now, while I would prefer jungle Cyrodiil to the goofy medieval thing we got, it is undeniably a solid explanation that shows the transformation of Tiber Septim into Talos.

Lastly. Horseback fighting? You couldn't even do that in Oblivion, firstly. But have you never heard of cavalry?
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I think it's fair to say that a game involving a demonic horde invasion qualifies as a dark game.​
- Gavin Carter​

It was not Howard who said this, but Carter, and it seems he was dead serious about it. Though Howard said enough other crap about oblivion, including the interviews where he in my opinion blantatly lied to his community about the features of Oblivion.

seriously. Dont play this game with me. I hate Oblivion with a pasion. Dont come down to my level. You will be crushed.

If you say you (or anyone else) has "fun" with oblivion. Fair enough. I can accept that. But what if we start to talk about RPGs, then it is in no way a good or even a decent game.

RPG codex Oblivion review

woo1108 said:
That's quite disappointing answer for me...
I though armor design of skyrim wasn't good.
I can agree with Eternity and don't know about Witcher and DAO.

I can agree with Crni Vuk's opinion but I prefer more creative things.
but that doesn't mean I don't like realistic armor. actually I like real armors.

for me, armor designs of Morrowind is my favorite.
I love chitin armor, bonemold armor, glass armor and Endoril armor. and other armors are awesome for me.
but stahrim armor is...terrible. and other normal armors(iron, steel and imperial things) are good to me.

some of oblivion's armor design was good for me, especially crusader's armor, and chain mail.

but skyrim... nothing interesting.
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I never said you cant have both. A good designer will always go with the visuals and trying to make them good. The problem is, or well the way how you should approach something like armor, is that you have to start somewhere. And the best place to do that is in real life, I mean you have thousands of years of knowledge, with countless of materials from leather, to cloth and different materials of iron each coming with its own characteristics. You can do a lot of stuff just for the "looks". Slap bones, jewels, and a lot of other crap on it. No problem! Thats what they did in real life too. But never ever forget what armor is supposed to do. To protect. We are not playing games where the target is to wear some ceremonial armour that isnt always made with protection in mind.

We also should not forget about what style and game we are talking about. For example, I would not want to see a character like Red Sonja in full plate armor. Thats simply not showing her character well. On the other side I would not want to see a character like Jean Dark in iron thong, if you catch my drift. There are many things to keep in mind. The target audience, the setting, the visuals and how they work etc. Some people simply love to see super sexy outfits even if it doesnt make sense, but the target audience doesnt care. So its alright. But a setting like LotR doesnt work with the same set of rules because you have to go with a certain minimum in verisimilitude here. Otherwise the characters would not be very believable in their own setting.

Diablo 3 is a good example, becaues the armor you see in D3 is very different in design compared to D1 and D2, where D3 is more a genric WoW like design where D1 and D2 had a lot of inspiration from gothic and the medieval age.
 
Akratus said:
They've actually retconned the idea that Tiber Septim adapted the lands of Cyrodill to grasslands.

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/265849694708719616

On the subject of armor, I can give some good examples:

Skyrim (although the textures leave a lot to be desired, also there are boobplates.), The Witcher series, Dragon Age Origins (worse textures than Skyrim but the design is good, minus some boobplates I believe) and the upcoming Project Eternity has very nice armor and no boobplates as well.
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TESO is NOT canon, though. It's been disowned by Bethesda. it is entirely Zenimax's product. So no need to worry.
 
Crni Vuk said:
It was not Howard who said this, but Carter, and it seems he was dead serious about it. Though Howard said enough other crap about oblivion, including the interviews where he in my opinion blantatly lied to his community about the features of Oblivion.

seriously. Dont play this game with me. I hate Oblivion with a pasion. Dont come down to my level. You will be crushed.

If you say you (or anyone else) has "fun" with oblivion. Fair enough. I can accept that. But what if we start to talk about RPGs, then it is in no way a good or even a decent game.

RPG codex Oblivion review
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And how is "dark game" negative? Anyways-

I'm fully agree that Oblivion is a mediocre game overall. However, I just don't think it's the horrible despicable thing you seem to think. Keep in mind the character creation, attribute system, difficult scaling, weapon variety, creativity of quests- I mean, there's lots of GOOD content in the game and even some superb stuff in there. It's simply not a bad game.

And Shivering Isles? That's some solid 9/10 shit right there.
 
Wumbology said:
Akratus said:
They've actually retconned the idea that Tiber Septim adapted the lands of Cyrodill to grasslands.

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/265849694708719616

On the subject of armor, I can give some good examples:

Skyrim (although the textures leave a lot to be desired, also there are boobplates.), The Witcher series, Dragon Age Origins (worse textures than Skyrim but the design is good, minus some boobplates I believe) and the upcoming Project Eternity has very nice armor and no boobplates as well.
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TESO is NOT canon, though. It's been disowned by Bethesda. it is entirely Zenimax's product. So no need to worry.
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I know, that's it's saving grace, really.
 
Wumbology said:
And how is "dark game" negative? Anyways
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because its not a dark game at all? That's like saying, since a bike and a car have both wheels the bike must be a car too. Just because there are demons and shit in Oblivion doesnt make it a dark game at all.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Wumbology said:
And how is "dark game" negative? Anyways
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because its not a dark game at all? That's like saying, since a bike and a car have both wheels the bike must be a car too. Just because there are demons and shit in Oblivion doesnt make it a dark game at all.
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Ah! then my bad. I thought you were saying it was a dark game. Which it isn't, given that "demon invasion" is a portion of the game... like a solid 1/4th
 
Agree with OP, and I'm extremely skeptical about the MMO genre in general. Whats the word from people playing the closed beta now, anyone here have some experiences to share?

Finally, for all of the stuff that Beth did wrong in skyrim, I loved their armors (well bone was stupid, but its a fantasy world so *shrug*). The racial variations felt distinct but "real" in a way that many games fail to achieve. There was a bit of shoulder-pad "flair", to be sure, but nowhere near what WoW or some other games do, with their JRPG-inspired mockery of the human form.
 
If any armor is stupid in skyrim, it's the fur variant with a bare chest. The bone armor is completely logical in the in-game world. It's made of Dragonbone which would be nothing like the bone we know in real life.

Really the only complaints I have for skyrim armor are: Bad textures, helmet horns and far too much exposed skin. (e.g. ancient nord armor, the female variant of which I fixed: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/28897/?)
 
Akratus said:
If any armor is stupid in skyrim, it's the fur variant with a bare chest.
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You can say that again.
Akratus said:
The bone armor is completely logical in the in-game world. It's made of Dragonbone which would be nothing like the bone we know in real life.
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Actually, there's a artifact named "Dragon bone cuirass" which gives you perfact protection against fire. heard it was made by Zurin arctus and gave to Talos.
and imperial dragonscale armor which is mediocre midium armor was appeard at Morrowind.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:MW-item-Dragonbone_cuirass.jpg
http://images.uesp.net/e/e6/MW-item-male-Imperial_Dragonscale.jpg

Kilus said:
Sorry dudes, TESO is canon.

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/266190036486205441
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oh. what a shame. :lol:
 
Akratus said:
If any armor is stupid in skyrim, it's the fur variant with a bare chest. The bone armor is completely logical in the in-game world. It's made of Dragonbone which would be nothing like the bone we know in real life.

Really the only complaints I have for skyrim armor are: Bad textures, helmet horns and far too much exposed skin. (e.g. ancient nord armor, the female variant of which I fixed: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/28897/?)
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I think as far as the style goes most of the armor in Skrim is pretty decent. I cant say that I saw a lot of stuff that outright "sucked". Except maybe that considering what climate Skyrim has, people are runing around ... like its summer time. Seriously, ever been out there when its really and I mean really cold? You are not runing around like this.

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But I guess it just feels more badass that way. And creating furr coats and all that for every piece of armor might have been a lot of work.

Kilus said:
Sorry dudes, TESO is canon.

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/266190036486205441
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I curious if that means that we will hear from Emperor Poopfeast420 or YoloManSwag99 in Elder Scrolls 5 or 6 or 11453.

I guess the guy who came up with the Elder Scrolls must be extremly happy right now. I know I would be puking every time I hear about it seeing my work getting bastardized.
 
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