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Since it was memorial day or something ... and its all about war and vets here some of the most unbelievable.

5 Real Life Soldiers Who Make Rambo Look Like a Pussy

Maybe some of the names are familar for the one or other!

#5. Simo Hayha

Who Was He?

Simo Hayha had a fairly boring life in Finland. He served his one mandatory year in the military, and then became a farmer. But when the Soviet Union invaded his homeland in 1939, he decided he wanted to help his country.

Since the majority of fighting took place in the forest, he figured the best way to stop the invasion was to grab his trusty rifle, a couple of cans of food and hide in a tree all day shooting Russians. In six feet of snow. And 20-40 degrees below zero.

Of course when the Russians heard that dozens of their men were going down and that it was all one dude with a rifle, they got fucking scared. He became known as "The White Death" because of his white camouflage outfit, and they actually mounted whole missions just to kill that one guy.

They started by sending out a task force to find Hayha and take him out. He killed them all.

Then they tried getting together a team of counter-snipers (which are basically snipers that kill snipers) and sent them in to eliminate Hayha. He killed all of them, too.

Over the course of 100 days, Hayha killed 542 people with his rifle. He took out another 150 or so with his SMG, sending his credited kill-count up to 705.

Since everyone they had was either too dead or too scared to go anywhere near him, the Russians just carpet-bombed everywhere they thought he might be. Supposedly, they had the location right, and he actually got hit by a cloud of shrapnel that tore his coat up, but didn't actually hurt him, because he's the fucking White Death, damn it.

Finally on March 6th, 1940, some lucky bastard shot Hayha in the head with an exploding bullet. When some other soldiers found him and brought him back to base, he "had half his head missing." The White Death had finally been stopped...



...for about a week. In spite of having come down with a nasty case of shot-in-the-face syndrome, he was still very much alive, and regained consciousness on March 13, the very day the war ended.


also the story about Yogendra Singh Yadav (climbing a hill clearing 3 bunkers getting dozens of bullets in the body?); Jack Churchill (killing Germans with a claymore, in WW2!); Alvin York (capturing alone 133 enemy soldiers!?) and Audie Murphy are as well impressive!

They also compare it a bit with what hollywood came up :lol:
 
True, Russia had Vasily Zaytsev who had quite the body count and plenty of people fearing him.
 
Dragula said:
Häyhä was nothing spectacular, Germany and Soviet had just as bad ass snipers.
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I am usualy not much impressed about "badass" soldiers as its still a war and about killing humans but read again how long Häyhä served and how many people he killed during his arpxo 100 days service. It makes a ratio from at least 5-6 people per day and that just from the kills one knows. Not any single Soviet or German sniper achieved so many kills during their service in the whole war.

The only German soldiers that come to mind with a higher ratio would be tank commander Michael Wittman (if you consider that a tank has most of the time 5 people inside) and Machineguner Heinrich Severloh which is accounted to have killed more then 2000 american soldiers from his MG position in the beaches of Normandy “Widerstandsnest 62” (English: resistance nest 62)

One should consider the situation Häyhä was fighting and as well the odds. I think the area Häyhä was fighting was keeped only by a handfull of fins.

Simo Häyhä was called into action during the Winter War with his service under the 6th Company of JR 34 on the Kollaa River. The Finnish stand at Kollaa is often referred to as "The miracle of Kollaa," as the Finnish action here was most heroic. The Finnish forces in the region were under the command of Major General Uiluo Tuompo and they faced the 9th and 14th Soviet Armies. At one point the Finns at Kollaa were facing 12 divisions, some 160,000 men. The Red Army losses in this arena were staggering as the brave Finns took their toll on the communist invaders. There have been those that called the Finnish defense of this key region "fanatical", and it was in the Kollaa area were the famous battle of "Killer Hill" took place with 32 Finns battling 4,000 Soviet soldiers. These were the hunting grounds of Simo Häyhä and it should be noted that even against massive odds the Kollaa positions were still in Finnish hands at the end of the war (March 1940).

Even from a the point of a pacifist, I can say its still somewhat "impressive".

The Raging Russian said:
True, Russia had Vasily Zaytsev who had quite the body count and plenty of people fearing him.
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There have been better soviet snipers then Vasily particularly some female ones. But Zaitsev was part of the propaganda in and around Stalingrad during that times which explains his biger fame and he also trained snipers. Though again when it comes to the count Häyhä is seen today as the most sucessful sniper around the time of WW2.

For example Hans Joachim Marseille is seen as eventualy the most succesfull pilot of WW2 considering the short time in which he took down enemy fighter planes, but since his service was so short he did not got so much as other German pilots (Erich Hartmann for example which was known for more then 300 shots) which did service during the whole war he took almost more planes down in a few months then some in years for example
 
Zaitsev had around 300 confirmed kills, and they even think the real number's something around 500.

Next, the wording in that whole article made me wanna strangle someone, seriously, it sounded like someone with a connection to wikipedia and some old football trophies wrote that.
 
Well, rambo wasnt a sniper, i think its diferent.

Could the white death have done the same if he wasnt in his native terrain and weather conditions and the germans were?

Im not trying to take out credit, but what you see in real life that works is strategy (white death was good because his strategy), damm Sun Tzu was responsable for many more deaths.

in movies what you see is awsomeness, its impossible moves/kills, its having 20 guys firing at you, you standing still in the middle of an open area, and still take out a fucking helicopter!!

thats doesnt happen in real life.
 
Never gets mentioned in U.S. History because he is Mexican-American (and was made white in the movie) but check out Guy Gabaldon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gabaldon

PFC Guy Louis Gabaldon ( March 22, 1926–August 31, 2006) was a United States Marine who was credited with capturing (or persuading to surrender) about 1,500 Japanese soldiers and civilians during the Battle of Saipan (1944) in World War II. He was nominated for the Medal of Honor but was instead awarded the Silver Star which was later upgraded to the Navy Cross Medal for these actions.

Gabaldon continued to capture more Japanese soldiers until he was wounded in a machine gun ambush. He was credited with the capture of 1,500 enemy personnel and was recommended for the Medal of Honor by his commanding officer, Capt. John Schwabe, on the justification that he singlehandedly captured more than ten times the number of prisoners taken by Sgt. Alvin C. York in World War I, Gabaldon however, was awarded a Silver Star instead.[1][5]
 
The Raging Russian said:
Zaitsev had around 300 confirmed kills, and they even think the real number's something around 500.

Next, the wording in that whole article made me wanna strangle someone, seriously, it sounded like someone with a connection to wikipedia and some old football trophies wrote that.
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Yes and Zaitsev did served in the army till the end of the war while Häyhä only 100 days till he got fataly wounded. And also much today is known about Zaitzsev that was simple propaganda while the situation about Häyhä is pretty acuratly recorded even by russian informations. For example the battle with Maj. Koenig probably never existed. To many contradicting iformations. Also many numbers of kills Häyhä did have been as well only confirmed kills. Who knows how many have it been really.

Zeal said:
Well, rambo wasnt a sniper, i think its diferent.

Could the white death have done the same if he wasnt in his native terrain and weather conditions and the germans were?
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I dont want to defend Häyhä, but that sounds a bit stupid. Its not like they have spend their whole live in exactly those area which doesnt mean that they had not some advantages or had not time to get familar with the area but thats natural when thinking about defending the issue is that they have faced at one point with a handfull of people more then several thousand soldiers. The russian soldiers had poor equipment and many poor training. But it was similar for many fins since Häyhä and some of his comrads had not more then a basic rfle training. Not all fins got the time for a long special winter warefare training (even though many definetly had but not the bulk of the army which voluntary registered for service). Its a bit naive to believe as well that conditions of -40° did only affected the Russians and not the Finnisch soldiers as well. Just as it would be naive to think only the Germans in the winter of 41 had to deal with harsh winter conditions, the Soviets as well loost a lot of men cause of bad supplies and thus not having sufficient winter equipment (even though when the sitution was for sure moer serious for the Germans considering the difference in numbers). Elite troops of the NKVD and siberian units which did a succesfull attack on the Waffen SS infront of Moscow have been konwn for special winterwarefare and equiped with winter camouflage and clothing. that wasnt even remotely close to be a standart for the Russian army in 41.
 
Häyhä was just in the right place at the right time. The red army just had most of it's experienced senior officers killed in the great purge. They really had no ability to wage war at that time.
 
So kills/time in action is all that counts?




I nominate the Enola Gay crew.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Zeal said:
Well, rambo wasnt a sniper, i think its diferent.

Could the white death have done the same if he wasnt in his native terrain and weather conditions and the germans were?
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I dont want to defend Häyhä, but that sounds a bit stupid. Its not like they have spend their whole live in exactly those area which doesnt mean that they had not some advantages or had not time to get familar with the area but thats natural when thinking about defending the issue is that they have faced at one point with a handfull of people more then several thousand soldiers. The russian soldiers had poor equipment and many poor training. But it was similar for many fins since Häyhä and some of his comrads had not more then a basic rfle training. Not all fins got the time for a long special winter warefare training (even though many definetly had but not the bulk of the army which voluntary registered for service). Its a bit naive to believe as well that conditions of -40° did only affected the Russians and not the Finnisch soldiers as well. Just as it would be naive to think only the Germans in the winter of 41 had to deal with harsh winter conditions, the Soviets as well loost a lot of men cause of bad supplies and thus not having sufficient winter equipment (even though when the sitution was for sure moer serious for the Germans considering the difference in numbers). Elite troops of the NKVD and siberian units which did a succesfull attack on the Waffen SS infront of Moscow have been konwn for special winterwarefare and equiped with winter camouflage and clothing. that wasnt even remotely close to be a standart for the Russian army in 41.
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Well, germany was beaten by "general Winter", if it wasn’t for him, the allies in both fronts wouldn’t be so successful, if not at all.

Same with napoleon, beaten by "general winter"

What i meant is that there are a number of factors to have in consideration, and obviously not just those.

like Sun tzu said, the great general in unknown, for he his so good he wins a war before it even happens. great warriors, leaders, etc, in history were always man of strategy.

In movies you don’t see that, you see real badass rambos, that defy laws of physics and common sense. that’s why you cant compare imho...
 
lugaru said:
Never gets mentioned in U.S. History because he is Mexican-American (and was made white in the movie) but check out Guy Gabaldon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gabaldon

PFC Guy Louis Gabaldon ( March 22, 1926–August 31, 2006) was a United States Marine who was credited with capturing (or persuading to surrender) about 1,500 Japanese soldiers and civilians during the Battle of Saipan (1944) in World War II. He was nominated for the Medal of Honor but was instead awarded the Silver Star which was later upgraded to the Navy Cross Medal for these actions.

Gabaldon continued to capture more Japanese soldiers until he was wounded in a machine gun ambush. He was credited with the capture of 1,500 enemy personnel and was recommended for the Medal of Honor by his commanding officer, Capt. John Schwabe, on the justification that he singlehandedly captured more than ten times the number of prisoners taken by Sgt. Alvin C. York in World War I, Gabaldon however, was awarded a Silver Star instead.[1][5]
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Propaganda, there is no way in hell that many japanese would have surrendered!
 
Anyway, Japanese Giant hornets are clearly the baddest badass mofos.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fTrSOFyfxs[/youtube]
 
Dragula said:
Propaganda, there is no way in hell that many japanese would have surrendered!
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Based on what? Seriosly if it was propaganda they would have handed him a medal of honor and paraded him around. He is not some soldier that went around shooting dead bodies in the head to pretend that he is some great badass, this is an intelligent man who delivered more than a thousand prisovers alive, mostly working by himself, and it is hard to exagerate your numbers when you are delivering live captives that must be accounted for.

Just saying...
 
fedaykin said:
Do you really believe that captives were correctly accounted for?
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How is a captive at a base harder to verify than a kill on the field? This is really an ideological argument... the "I dont know but it does not sound true" vs "well here is what history recorded"

It can be disputed like any other war related claim, but unless you know something that everyone else does not then what is the point?
 
The point is that all these claims are based on wartime stories and legends and as such are to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
fedaykin said:
The point is that all these claims are based on wartime stories and legends and as such are to be taken with a grain of salt.
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That is why I'm not disputing anyone on the list, because I know better. But if you want a list of badasses Gabaldon is way up there, even if you diminish his acomplishments by 90% which I doubt you want to do to everyone on the list.
 
Dragula said:
Häyhä was nothing spectacular, Germany and Soviet had just as bad ass snipers.
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he shot people with iron sights... he never used a scope.

he turned down a twinked Mauser with scope in favor of his Mosin Nagant with iron sights. the man is insane, and for that alone should be remembered as one of the best snipers in history.

that said, he usually shot people from pretty close, compared with other snipers, which requires some serious balls.

sniping in temperatures where simply taking your hands out of your mittens and putting your finger on the trigger risks you freezing your hands to the metal of your gun, surely deserves respect...

i would however like to remind you, that many great warriors never took credit for their actions and often even gave the credit to their fallen comrades so that they could be rewarded with medals to make their families proud.
i've known people who were in the resistance and they never took credit for anything, until it surfaced from records that they had saved hundreds of people from certain death by assaulting a train. they never spoke a word of it. never sought credit for it. even when lauded by the public when the story got out 40 years after the event, they reacted as if they only did what had to be done and were even ashamed of receiving awards for it...
 
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