The rapture??

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Joachim

It Wandered In From the Wastes
This has been on my mind a whole lot lately and me and my friends have been talking about it alot, so I thought I'd try and get all of your opinions on it. Do you think the end is near? With so many tragedys comings up with our resource with energy seems to be becoming a crisis, bush cracking up, all those wildfires appearing, new orleans and the superdome (which I believe how god is tearing down football as a false idol for some fanatics) The new pope (sounds senseless but I think he's suspicious with him even looking evil-like and his name being rat benedict) and it really makes you think if the end might be near.
 
There is nothing wrong with the new pope, no matter how much his name reminds people of small vermin, no matter how German he is and no matter how much he looks like the Emperor from Star Wars. His first moves have all shown him in a fairly positive light. I might not like his conservative outlook but the same was true of soon-to-be-saint, our previous pope.

And if you think your VERY MINOR issues in the States, like the tornade, Bush and the energy crisis, would be fitting heralds to the apocalypse I'd advise you to open your eyes to the fact that the AIDS-epidemic in Africa has millions in its death-grip, or the fact that recently a tidal waves blinked out a rather large number of lives like so many candles. Philosophize on THAT before considering the problems that the land of the brave and the free has.

Honestly, I, and many others on this forum, have no reason to believe in the rapture or the apocalypse. But I do know that throughout history people have been shouting doom and apocalypse at every odd dropping of the penny. This time is no different. I suggest you spend your time on more fruitful efforts than thinking about whether or not something that you can't prevent will happen. I also suggest you get some historic and world perspective before making the religious equivalent of the equally historically odd "End of History"-theory.
 
I don't think he's that bad. 1968 would have scared me shitless too, especially if I was a Liberal Clergyman who had to deal with Communists running in and screaming obscenities against God. He's got a good heart. But to be honest, a part of me hopes it gives out: Church needs a dynamic leader, be he ultra conservative or liberal.
 
Well I'm not worrying I can't stop it I'm just worried because I'm probably gonna go to hell if so, you are right people have gone spouting this all throughout history and it is probably my increasing paranoia talking but geez there just seem to be lots of hints..at least of SOMETHING. I mean I've talked to a lot of people about it (not like 40 just like 10) and a majority talk about how they think the rapture or apocalypse whatever you want to call it will happen in this generation. It's just getting nuts ..like really nuts least in my case. Yeah if I lived in the 60's I would've freaked out..bad..and I'm not just saying things now I'm saying there is also signs of it getting worse but not too much better
 
Joachim said:
I've talked to a lot of people about it (not like 40 just like 10) and a majority talk about how they think the rapture or apocalypse whatever you want to call it will happen in this generation.
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Huh... so great clouds will come from the sky, right? And why wouldn't they make everybody feel high, also?

Please, come on, this makes no sense. The actual problem with people nowadays is that most of them are unable to think by themselves. There won't be no apocalypse or end of the world or whatever you call it just because the USA are having a bunch of trouble. Even if I have seen images of that hurricane in New Orleans, and I do feel sorry for all of those people, Kharn stated it above: there are way more important issues in other parts of the world. And those have been going on for years, if not decades. But it seems that you can't see further than your own nation. It ain't the center of the world, you know. It really ain't. There's a whole planet surrounding you, dude.

I don't mean no offense to anybody, but posts like this just make me sick. please feel free to discuss, Joachim. Cheers.
 
Joachim said:
I mean I've talked to a lot of people about it (not like 40 just like 10) and a majority talk about how they think the rapture or apocalypse whatever you want to call it will happen in this generation. It's just getting nuts ..like really nuts least in my case. Yeah if I lived in the 60's I would've freaked out..bad..and I'm not just saying things now I'm saying there is also signs of it getting worse but not too much better
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I think the best thing you can do, if you seriously want to put your mind at ease, is to start reading as much history as you can. Disaster, plague..... hell, anything that you or anyone else would take as a sign of the upcoming apocalypse is a constant in human history, and it's no worse today than it's ever been at any point in the past. We are now and always have been surrounded by and at the mercy of forces that we barely understand, let alone have the ability to control - it's just a fact of existence. It's no worse now than it's ever been.
 
To be fair Montez, we did'nt have the ability to eradicate all multicellular life all by ourselves in the 9th Century B.C.
 
John Uskglass said:
To be fair Montez, we did'nt have the ability to eradicate all multicellular life all by ourselves in the 9th Century B.C.
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We did too!

It would just have taken a lot of effort
 
What I wanted to get across is just that belief that disasters signify the coming of the end of the world is a hysterical overreaction to things that are a constant in human history. For the most part it's been supplanted by the belief that the apocalypse is going to be man-made rather than divine, but it's the same thing - hysterical overreaction.
 
Humph.

In this case I believe it is useful. Fear of something that could happen and could eradicate life is rational especially when we are in control of it, fear of the incoming Apocalpsye before the Rapture or the like seems irrational.
 
Hmm....kinda puts a strange sense into somethings when you think of who does have control or who might
 
Kharn said:
There is nothing wrong with the new pope, no matter how much his name reminds people of small vermin, no matter how German he is and no matter how much he looks like the Emperor from Star Wars. His first moves have all shown him in a fairly positive light. I might not like his conservative outlook but the same was true of soon-to-be-saint, our previous pope.
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Actually, there might very well be something wrong with him, since rumours have it that he's been making attempts to reconcile with the extreme right wing of the Catholic church (it's way too early to remember their name) - the guys who want to make masses Latin again and stuff. So he doesn't seem all that cool a pope to me...

Anyway, if you're thinking the Apocalypse is near now, I wonder how you would've reacted if you had lived in the fourteenth century or so. Because y'know, shit was a lot worse then. A third of the European population killed by a terrifying disease = pretty scary.
 
Here is a site listing all the crap that is happening today that was "predicted" in the bible... here

It seems like a load of shit to me but judge it yourself. It IS rather interesting..in a morbid sort of way.
 
You God Damned Papists!

Remember Jan Huss! Martyr of the People!

Remember Father Zizka! Leader of the People!

Beat them, beat them, leave none alive!
 
Fuck the bible, Fuck the koran, Fuck the torah... Religion, along side greed is the major cause of war..

i'm beginning to think that maybe the commies, if they haddnt been lead by corrupt people, might have been right..


Then again. Killing all those who oppose you has a certian appeal as well..
 
Religion being used as a reason, and religion being used as an excuse are not the same thing. I think. I'm having some trouble twisting that around in me noggin'.
 
The Apocalypse is a process and it has happened before. Many times.

Apocalypse is an analogy, just like the Flood.

Before the age of internationalism, it WAS the apocalypse when an entire place suffered from a plague, flood, climate change or lack of candy.
Even if the "world" as a whole went down, the universe wouldn't have a single reason to give a fuck.

You think of your puny existence as way too important for reality as a whole -- and you do know what most gods think of that kind of arrogance, right?
So shut up and take it like a man.
 
I know most religions seem like a waste of times but think of it like this..if these is no heaven or hell and I just wasted some of my time with this big deal..but if there is a hell non believers are screwed..so I'll take wasting a couple years of my life over the possibility for eternal torture anyday
 
What makes you think your particular choice of religion is the right one? Chances are you are probably going to hell anyway because the real religion is mormonism or hubology or some shit like that.
 
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