The Unseen Dune

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Wooz, Mar 28, 2009.

  1. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Surfing the intertubes, I came across an amazing set of character designs by none other than Jean Giraud, aka Moebius. They're for -check this out- a Jodorowsky version of Dune that was never realized.

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  2. The Vault Dweller

    The Vault Dweller always looking for water.

    Aug 24, 2004
    Whoa! Nice style and the "feel" of it fits Dune since while it may take place in the far future the intrigue and politics of the houses made it seem medieval. The borderline ridiculous clothing looks great.

    Sincerely,
    The Vault Dweller
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Giraud is a genius. Hands down. Did you knew that he did a lot of the concept arts for the movie Alien by Ridley Scott? They left the Alien and its alien-ship designs to H.R. Giger and much of the technology and ship from the human crew to Moebius.
     
  4. jero cvmi

    jero cvmi Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Oct 8, 2008
    This is amazing.

    Any moebius or Jodorowsky work i've seen, is filed in my mind under "Masterpiece".

    It's a shame that version of Dune never saw the light of day. Not that David Lynch's Dune film was lacking in anything, but still...
     
  5. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    I have a book with art by Chris Foss, including some Dune pics. The pic at the top of a reflected dude is by him.
     
  6. fedaykin

    fedaykin Vault Fossil

    Jul 15, 2007
    I like the Sardaukar drawings.
     
  7. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite

    Jul 26, 2003
    As a fan of the first couple of books, I'd have to respectfully disagree, but let's not open up that decades-old can of worms. As far as the Moebius pics go, though, they're a lot closer to what I pictured while reading the book than the character designs in the Lynch film or even the more recent miniseries.

    Guy sure did have a flair for capes, though.
     
  8. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    He went way over-the-top with Feyd - high heels and stockings? See-through shirt? Somewhere a gay-pride parade is missing it's grand marshall. His Phallic sword hilt is pretty Harkonnen though, I must admit.

    Rabban a hermaphrodite?
    Gurney Halleck a midget?
    Piter DeVries joined Cirque de Soleil?
    Taking some artistic liberties methinks.

    I do like the Sardukar, compare that to the black garbage bags they seemed to be wearing in the Lynch version.
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Well Chimm you have to admit the Dune universe is a rather "wicked" one and not a typical sci fi setting to begin with. So I think a rather drag queen like looking character or hermaprodite rasses/people are not that uncommon to think about.
     
  10. The Vault Dweller

    The Vault Dweller always looking for water.

    Aug 24, 2004
    I'm no artist (Yes Wooz), but I do know that royalty is famous for being extravagant and bizarre in lifestyle and behavior. Given the monarchy families in Dune I'd expect stuff like this though I admit the art is a little bit too much as far as strangeness goes.

    Sincerely,
    The Vault Dweller
     
  11. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    I don't disagree, but amping the wickedness up to 11 for it's own sake and fabricating salacious shit just for the sake of being controversial doesn't serve the source material very well, and is antithetical to Herbert's style.

    The books never mentioned Rabban being a hermaphrodite, or Feyd being the Baron's plaything or gay or anything. They've made it up. That's cool, but how does making Rabban a hermaphrodite serve to present Dune any better?

    Even if they were, I would expect a lot more subtlety from Dune (unless were talking about those schlocky Kevin Anderson cash-ins, anything goes when it comes to making a buck), like I said, Feyd-Rautha looks like he belongs on a Mardi Gras float with RuPaul.

    Take the Baron for instance, it's even only obliquely inferred that he's some kind of pedophile in the books, but even that is glancing and I can count on one hand the number of times through the course of 6 books that subject was touched upon even in fleeting, ambiguous instances.
    The books mention the hedonism and debauchery for sure, but the Harkonnen's are already charicatures of "bad guys", is it really necessary ratchet them all up into full blown freaks, fucking each other and themselves - is that the most creative way we can get across that they are debauched?

    Jesus, just get it over with and hire Bob Guccione and he can do for Dune like Caligula. :shudders:



    This looks like what it is:
    Dune by way of Heavy Metal.
     
  12. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    The only Dune visualisation that works for me is that of Westwood Studios'.
     
  13. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Yep, Herbert himself despised Jodorowsky's vision.

    Dune by Jodorowsky, drawn in full Heavy Metal style :D

    Agreed, some of the ideas are well 'over the top', tho' it's still a pretty interesting batch of character design, and I'm particularly fond of the 70's twist on Arabic costumes.

    EDIT

    Yep. Did you know his work was instrumental in the visualization of cyberpunk, especially in the genre's early days?
     
  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Well the question would be what of it is concept design and what actualy really used art.

    I do agree that some things are definetly over the top. But artists have a habit of doing things "over the top" (even writters ...) when they are doodling to speak so, its to get the mind clear and ideas to paper even if its crazy. And some think it will not see the light ever anyway. I mean one has to just look over to sites like conceptart.org or similar places. Right next to some rather "normal" ideas there are extremly crazy images by the same artist. Of course both in great quality.
     
  15. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Those aren't doodles, they're production designs from the LSD-saturated 1970's ;-)
     
  16. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003
    In the late seventies DeLaurenties hires Moebius to make the visual side of a Dune movie, from the sets to the wardrobe. Of course the producer changed his mind and fired Moebius and half of the team that was preparing the movie.

    When a few years later the film is made someone goes and snatches the work by Moebius, you can recognize it from the suits, some sets, even the visuals of some characters. Of course De Laurentis never payed or gave due credit to Moebius, but the film breads Moebius creativity from every pore.
     
  17. Serge 13

    Serge 13 Cranium Cat oTO Orderite

    Jul 20, 2006
    the link doesn't work for me.
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    That explains a lot I guess, considering that in that time most of the today blamed drugs have been legal :mrgreen: !
    (Its maybe more corect then one might think, H.R. Giger known for his unusual surreal art mentioned that he was used to take from time to time Opium or something like that. Art and drugs had always a long conection ... either that or you are just crazy by nature)

    I thought they also used work from H.R. Giger for it. Well if I remember it correctly he did some of the furniture used by the Harkonen and such.
     
  19. Eyenixon

    Eyenixon Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 11, 2008
    The movie may have been decent in its own right, but it wouldn't have been a Dune film, Jodorowksy admitted he had never read any of the books and his script was absolutely massive and had little to nothing to do with Dune for the most part.
    It would have been a horrible adaptation, and the involvement of Moebius, Salvatore Dali and H.R. Giger is just typical Jodorwosky excess for the express purpose of pure unreasoning excess. The man knows how to make a film, but for the most part he just likes to throw things together and eventually have it make sense in some symbolic form or another, he himself has admitted to this.
     
  20. The concept for Piter is amazingly simple and pragmatic.


    This is awesome, but I'm not too keen on the style of the Baron, just alittle too much.