The world in 2026

DirtyDreamDesigner said:
Everyone seems to be forgetting that fossil fuels aren't used only to power cars and power plants...

You tell 'em, 3D!
Western civilization is based on fossil fuels.
We need fossil fuels to do practically everything, if not everything.
We need fossil fuels to harvest crops, to produce pharmaceuticals, to process raw materials into food, luxury items, furniture and so on.
We need fossil fuels to build even the tiniest parts of a computer and we need fossil fuels to download porn.
We need it to brush our teeth and even to take a shit.
I tell ya: we would be completely lost without fossil fuels.
And we will be.
Soon.
Repent now!
 
:: shoves alec onto a buttplug ::

Yeah, whatever. Expect your life to end somewhere between 2020 and 2050 and live that way.
 
Graz'zt said:
If by "bumpy" you mean "resulting in death of over 90% of world's populace", then yeah, it will be "bumpy".

Well that might happen, but remember one thing. Where do the most people live? In industrial countries? Hardly. Most people live shitty shacks that have no electricity nor heat. A starving Marvin in the deepest Africa isn?t really (of course he is, but you get the point) affected that much when oil runs out. He doesn?t have a cellular, or even electricity. Ok, so he might loose he pirated Nike-shirt, but he?ll live. They mostly live of the land (now those pansies have been teached to feed on aid, but time to learn the basics again!).
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Ashmo said:
:: shoves alec onto a buttplug ::
Remember: buttplugs require fossil fuels. No fossil fuels, no buttplugs. :P

frissy said:
Well that might happen, but remember one thing. Where do the most people live? In industrial countries? Hardly. Most people live shitty shacks that have no electricity nor heat. A starving Marvin in the deepest Africa isn´t really (of course he is, but you get the point) affected that much when oil runs out. He doesn´t have a cellular, or even electricity. Ok, so he might loose he pirated Nike-shirt, but he´ll live. They mostly live of the land (now those pansies have been teached to feed on aid, but time to learn the basics again!).
I would pay to see you survive in a shack, frisco. Hell, I'd pay to see you survive in a shack wearing a pirated Nike T-shirt.

You are also absolutely wrong, by the way. Sure, some people live in 'the deepest Africa', as you so blatantly put it, but what kind of a life do these poor critters live? They live in tribes. They live in huts that are made out of straw and cow shit. They have worms crawling around in their intestines because 'pharmaceuticals' are for them what cold fusion is to us. They have 5 to 10 children but they made about 30 of them, fuck, they lost count, because when their 20th baby died, they just stopped caring. They spend most of their days working the dry soil and hunting for critters that are barely edible. And when they get seriously hurt or sick, they die. They die from diarrhea or some other stupid illness. What a way of living. Wow, I'd give up my spoiled, Western life immediately for this pure, raw way of living. NOT.

Huge conglomerations of people, big fucked-up metropoles, like in overcrowded India, means there is water and food a plenty in the neighbourhood. You really think you'll find a billion people trooping together in the middle of nowhere, in the dry fucking desert, just for the heck of it? Think again, frisco. It's so common for Western people to think that these countries are underdeveloped. That they do everything on foot or ride on mules. That they communicate with each other using smoke signals and shit. I'll tell you something: I have without a single doubt in my mind walked more kilometres on foot than your average Indian. You shouldn't worry about any of these people. Their video store has more worn out tapes of obscure Bollywood motion pictures than we have dvd's. These guys drive the cars that we don't want anymore. They've never heard of lead-free fuel. And they have cellular phones, don't you worry. Two outta three Chinese farmers have a cellular phone, and as we all know: one outta five people on earth is a Chinese farmer.

Plus: everybody just loves the Western way of life. From Alaska to Beijing. And this will only get worse in the coming years. Soon America will no longer be the world's greatest polluter. Soon their shacks will be replaced by plastic non-bio-degradable shelters. Soon they'll be buying fresh, clean air from us.

How come it is so fucking hard to admit: we are almost at the last page of the novel, the end of the movie, the grand finale. We've fucked up and it's because of morons like you and your mother and father and my mother and father and everyone's mother and father that this last page, this final moment, this so-called climax will be the biggest disappointment ever: 'WE'VE RUN OUT OF OIL, AND NOW WE'RE DOOMED!'

Try making plastic out of solar energy, frisco. Try transporting tons of food along the concrete highway with wind energy, frisco. Try flying from Brussels to New York on bio-diesel, frisco. And try feeding six billion people that way. I dare you.

I give all of us ten more years. By that time fossil fuels will be as rare as platinum or 24-carat diamonds. By that time it'll be survival of the fittest. I wish all of you good luck. :twisted:
 
alec said:
Western civilization is based on fossil fuels.
We need fossil fuels to do practically everything, if not everything.
We need fossil fuels to harvest crops, to produce pharmaceuticals, to process raw materials into food, luxury items, furniture and so on.
We need fossil fuels to build even the tiniest parts of a computer and we need fossil fuels to download porn.
We need it to brush our teeth and even to take a shit.
I tell ya: we would be completely lost without fossil fuels.
And we will be.
Soon.
Repent now!
Ok, we use fossil fuels for a lot more than cars, but if all cars were made to run on something else, then our consumption would fall by a large percentage. It's the transportation of stuff and people that takes up most of the consumption of oil, and if cars could run on something else, then that much oil wouldn't be consumed. Also, the push to build nuclear power plants stems from the fact that most power is generated by methane currently. The demand for oil to fuel industry and consumer is a separate but similar problem than the demand for electricity to power industry and consumer.

Lubricants and pesticides CAN be produced without petroleum if you take out the need to transport it and it's ingredients via a gas-powered vehicle. Moving most of long-distance cargo from the highways to railroads should do great things to alleviate at least some of north Americas dependence on oil, as trains can be fueled by other fuel sources. The cost of getting the USAs ralroad system up to snuff for such a move would be expensive, but would be partially offset by the savings made by no longer having to produce nearly as many trucks. Basically just a transfer of funds from the people who build and drive trucks to the people who build and operate trains.

How bout all of you peak oil people stop being so fucking gloom and doom for once.

alec said:
Try making plastic out of solar energy, frisco.
There are alternative materials to petroleum-dependant plastic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic#Price_and_the_future
alec said:
Try transporting tons of food along the concrete highway with wind energy, frisco.
Wind generator + Electric train = transport.
alec said:
Try flying from Brussels to New York on bio-diesel, frisco.
Well, I guess there is no real alternative to a fossil fueled airplane, so I have to give this one to you.
alec said:
And try feeding six billion people that way. I dare you.
People farmed before they had tractors (many still do), and they can do it again.


All we need to do to stop peak oil, be it now or 50 years into the future, is to find ways to stop the consumption of oil from increasing and get it to decrease with the supply. This is simple economics. As the price of oil goes up, there is more and more motivation to find alternatives.

Alec, if you read any of my post, read this next sentence:

We don't need to completely stop using oil, just reduce our consumption by a percentage, and then do it again as technology allows.

I'm not in "oil denial" or whatever you call it, but I'm just saying that there ARE things we can do to curb our consumption of oil. Besides, I live in a place that produces oil, so don't think that my fear of lifestyle change is my modivation for taking this stance on peak oil.
 
Alec,

Ok. I didn?t mean that they are all tribals that know nothing of modern society. The point was more that when the "bumps" hit us. They will hit us the worst (we, the people who visit nma).

In less developed countries they don?t have as much as we do. The key to any survival is the amount that is taken away. It can be mental of it can be materialistic (health being one). Loosing a fossil fueled car will hit you. No doupt about that, but when you lose the car, the heat, electricity...basically EVERYTHING the "modern" society uses to live on. Well that is a HUGE hit.

There is a major difference is losing something than to lose everything. Yes, the modern society relies on fossil fuels, but that's mostly due to the reason that we still can rely on it. When you don't have oil you use something else. We already have the means for it.

To think that we are all DOOMED due to the loss of fossile fuels is stupid. It's going to be a major hit, but nothing we can't survive (could be better to not to...for the planets sake).

We already use thermal heat for warming up houses, we already use bio-gas (we like really have fuelstations for that!), we can use electricity (wind, solar, sea etc.), we can make the needed materials without fossil fuels.

I know that if hell breaks loose, the modern society will be the weakest one. Those "tribals" will have the upper hand.
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calculon000 said:
How bout all of you peak oil people stop being so fucking gloom and doom for once.

People like doom theories. They have a certain grip on the imagination.

Besides, if we have learned anything, it is that civilization is at the very edge of imminent destruction (global warming, Orwellian governments, nuclear holocaust, peak oil, modern plagues, over-population, and so forth).
 
Kotario said:
Besides, if we have learned anything, it is that civilization is at the very edge of imminent destruction (global warming, Orwellian governments, nuclear holocaust, peak oil, modern plagues, over-population, and so forth).

Human civilization; at the edge of imminent destruction since 1789!

PS: to put it further in perspective a bit further, humanity has already gone through several civilizations. Take, for instance, Egypt and its Peak Wood problem.
 
It will take more than just a single natural resource running out to wipe us out. No, I don't think survival means that 90% of the humanity survives. It might mean that only under 5% survive. It?s enough (well actually I don?t remember how big the gene-pool should be).
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alec said:
I would pay to see you survive in a shack, frisco. Hell, I'd pay to see you survive in a shack wearing a pirated Nike T-shirt.
Ever watched Survivor... :(

frissy said:
It might mean that only under 5% survive.
Thought it might take 200 years, non of us will survive, thought our childs etc, might.
 
The Peak Semen problem?

What's that? Men having masturbated so much the world drowns in ejaculate?
 
Ashmo said:
The Peak Semen problem?

What's that? Men having masturbated so much the world drowns in ejaculate?

I think Graz'zt is referring to his recurring wet dreams.
And wet dreams, as we all know, only occur when one does not masturbate nearly enough.
Which is why wet dreams are very common with catholics and muslims. And with Graz'zt, evidently.

To whom it may concern: I've only had one wet dream in my whole life. During one extremely hot summernight I had, apparently, 'glued' myself to my boxershort. I still remember the sound my skin made when I tried to free my little man the next morning: like velcro.
 
its less than 15% of oil useage in the US is used to power cars. its far more of a population problem. more people you have, more supplies and luxuries they use up, all which take oil. stop reproducing!! although it is too late for that to help.
 
Ok, so the fault does lie in China and India, as I suspected...

But it does occur that the more advanced a country gets in wealth and technology, and thus more energy per person it uses, the more people move to the cities, and the more people that move to the cities, the less children they have.

Here's the number of children per woman: (You need more than 2.1 for the local population to grow, countries under that depend on immigration for population growth)
Source: the CIA world factbook

Top 10:
Niger: 7.55
Mali: 7.47
Somalia: 6.84
Afghanistan: 6.75
Uganda: 6.74
Yemen: 6.67
Burundi: 6.63
Democratic Republic of the Congo: 6.54
Burkina Faso: 6.54
Angola: 6.42

Various:
India: 2.78
North Korea: 2.15
USA: 2.08
France: 1.85
China: 1.72
UK: 1.66
Canada: 1.61
Germany: 1.39
Japan: 1.39
Italy: 1.28
Russia: 1.27

Bottom 10:
South Korea: 1.26
Latvia: 1.26
Poland: 1.24
Slovenia: 1.24
Bosnia and Herzegovina: 1.21
Czech Republic: 1.20
Lithuania: 1.19
Ukraine: 1.16
Singapore: 1.05
Macau: 1.00
Hong Kong: 0.93

So it's not the first world populations that are increasing their energy use, it's the developing countries who are, not counting the people who immigrate from poor countries to first world ones.
 
One can also think about cars. New cars are efficient even if they drink a lot

Those cars (as someone said we don?t even want to drive) that they drive in Kambodia etc. drink a lot also and pollute even more. Combine shitty technology (okay, even shittier) with growth rate they have..that?s trouble.

In cities people use more energy, but the pollution is getting lower (it?s a different matter if the energy usage tops that and basically pollution gets raised).

Question is: Which harms more, the growth of people, or people using more energy. This pretty much sums the way people live in cities. Using a lot on a single person (who needs kids! I have bitches in every corner!).

Something drastic has to happen. A pandemia that wipes out 50% of people might be one. Epidemics attack poorly developed countries easily, because there is no healthcare. Epidemics also attack cities easily because you have so much people crammed close together.

Nobody knows which way nature is going to take it, but one thing is quite certain (at least for me). Whatever happens it will attack both of us (unless we NUKE'EM!...and the fallout kills us).
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alec said:
Try flying from Brussels to New York on bio-diesel, frisco.

I work with Jet Fuel quite a lot as you might immagine... My helicopter haveing two Turbine Engines... and While it's not Jet A fuel... I'm confident that engine manufacturers can make most Commercial and Military Jet engines operate Efficantly on JP4 and JP8 Jet Fuel which is nothing more than high grade diesel fuel, Which can be produced efficantly, along with gasoline by... http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm
http://www.changingworldtech.com/

Almost anything that was made from organic materials can be converted back into hydrocarbon fuels through this process.

So to all of these "OH TEH NOES!!! WE R RUNNIN OUT O GAS!!!" fucks, I say. STFU... KTHXBYE
 
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