Oblivion fans. Remember, all of Oblivion's cells reset after 72 in-game hours. So, if you went back to Fort Generic after having cleared it out three days ago, you would find that a whole new band of miscreants have settled there, restocked all the loot and reset all the traps.Brother None said:
TheGameReviews previews Fallout 3
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shorrtybearr
First time out of the vault
Brother None said:
I dunno, you'd think they'd be self-evident but with games dont necessary work like that. I mean some people might expect dogmeat to come back to life because hes practically a main character. (not in terms of story but in presence)
As for the cars you just have to mention any one of the thousands of games where this doesn’t happen, so it’s something different (albeit not that great) so it’s not technically self-evident in the game world.
Brother None said:
Whats wrong with that? as long as hes not aiming for a freckle on the guys arm i see nothing wrong with this. I mean burst doesn’t mean you fall over rolling around on the floor like an epileptic cripple firing randomly! i mean if i wanna burst fire at someone’s legs i can.
You do a ton of Bethesda bashing, is there *anything* you actually like so far?
You couldn't target and do a burst shot in the original FOs, it was a balancing thing, imagine burst eye shots in Fallout.
That's probably why it seems strange. I don't see the problem with it in an RT game if they just do a few things right.
I don't see what you mean about the cars though, it is pretty much moronic to state that "exploded cars never unexplode". They're somehow trying to drive home the point of permanence as though it's some sort of alien concept.
That's probably why it seems strange. I don't see the problem with it in an RT game if they just do a few things right.
I don't see what you mean about the cars though, it is pretty much moronic to state that "exploded cars never unexplode". They're somehow trying to drive home the point of permanence as though it's some sort of alien concept.
shorrtybearr said:
What is wrong with that...
1. Realism. Burst from an SMG is somewhat fine, from a minigun becomes less believable.
2. More importantly: game mechanics. The point of big guns was always that they had no aiming functionality, which together with APs made for the best way to balance over-powered weapons.
Is it possible Bethesda slung it up and re-balanced it? Sure. Is it still a bad idea? Sure. The mini-nuke launcher had an aiming functionality. How is that "not stupid"?
shorrtybearr said:
You do a lot of assuming. Did you actually bother to - say - read either of the two Fallout 3 previews I (co-)penned? Or - heck - even bother to note I've been defending and clarifying several points on Fallout 3's design in recent threads? Heck, it's as easy as going here and checking under the question "What are the top ten things you liked and disliked personally?"
aronsearle
Still Mildly Glowing
Brother None said:
What?
Lol, 15% chance of hitting the left arm with a nuke!
In the old games the text box would say "You missed the target with the Fatman but hit the ground nearby, both you and the target were hit for ### points and vaporised by the nuclear blast. At least you left your shadow permanently burned in nearby walls."
shorrtybearr
First time out of the vault
Eyenixon said:
My point was that far too many games do revert back to an intended state so when fallout 3 includes this "permanence" then its something he feels he needs to mention. I do see where your coming from about the way he presents it though, i have said before that in my opinion hes not the best PR person, he seems to constantly choose the wrong phrases and tries to make a martin luther king type statement with everything. I think maybe hes to eager to appear “cool”
Brother None said:
You referred to a 10mm SMG not a minigun. Also yes trying to hit an eye with a minigun is almost impossible but you *can* give it a go.
Brother None said:
They are actually game developers ya know! they might just be able to do their job and pull it off. I dont think just because they say you can aim with bursts means that they've involuntarily turned the combat system on its head and ruined the game. Arguing that it would upset the game balance with limited knowledge of how the game plays is not the strongest of arguments.
Brother None said:
To your credit no i didnt read these things you've mentioned, I havent been here long and have never even seen that site you linked nor the articles you mention however the comments i have seen you post have been largely anti-bethesda, assuming you to be anti-bethesda is probably not the right way to go about it.
However, i saw your top ten things and ive gotta say that its almost like saying
"i like your hat, but i hate you"
i mean the things you liked looked as if you had struggled to come up with them and were largely superficial. Your dislikes however where pretty much the largest and most significant changes to the game (as far as i know)
Take care, SB
Series8217
First time out of the vault
A group of what??
I like how they're just using generic baddie names now..
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Series8217 said:
Scamps and Mudcrabs.
Tons of games were able to pull of a good balance between aimed bursts and other fire modi. And i think aimed bursts did add something (Jagged Alliance 2 rocks...)...
So whats more stupid? Being unable to aim with an LMG and HMG's, or being able with all things, even an nuke-launcher or your flamethrower?....
I know what i find more stupid...
And about the repeating of things. So how many times did other games companies answer questions that got asked over and over again? I guess Black Isle and so on did it on several occasions.
They are answering their fanbase wich consists of other questions and people then us...
Are they good PR-people? Sometimes yes, sometimes not...
So whats more stupid? Being unable to aim with an LMG and HMG's, or being able with all things, even an nuke-launcher or your flamethrower?....
I know what i find more stupid...
And about the repeating of things. So how many times did other games companies answer questions that got asked over and over again? I guess Black Isle and so on did it on several occasions.
They are answering their fanbase wich consists of other questions and people then us...
Are they good PR-people? Sometimes yes, sometimes not...
Sounds good if true, although I'm still sceptical since if the dialogue and quest design is sooo good then they want to be showing it off as much as they can in order to convince us that even though they are doing so many other things wrong at least they've improved their quest design? Instead all we get is promises. Promises that we aren't going to believe based upon past experience.
Oblivion had 39,000 lines of dialogue by the way and it took up 2.7 gigabytes of the DVD. It used to have 70,000 lines but they cut that because there wasn't enough space on the disk. Something is telling me that Fallout 3 will have to come on more than one DVD.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Fallout 1 had 600k+ lines of dialog, and it was probably short, and the lines were probably more extensive...
BTW, can someone confirm my number? I'm pretty sure be one never knows.
BTW, can someone confirm my number? I'm pretty sure be one never knows.
shorrtybearr, I can assure you that BN has actually been more positive about F3 than most people here.
Note, though, that coming here and going "but you're sooo anti-bethesda
" and acting like negative criticism is something that should be suppressed is also not the right way to go about it. Nor is it the strongest of arguments.
Note, though, that coming here and going "but you're sooo anti-bethesda
" and acting like negative criticism is something that should be suppressed is also not the right way to go about it. Nor is it the strongest of arguments.shorrtybearr
First time out of the vault
fedaykin said:shorrtybearr, I can assure you that BN has actually been more positive about F3 than most people here.
Note, though, that coming here and going "but you're sooo anti-bethesda
Like i said, maybe i was a bit premature in assuming him anti bethesda.
I feel you've over simplified my arguments to get a point across. I know full well that negative criticism is a part of life and in some cases is a necessary evil however i got the feeling that nothing in the past few days could have pleased some of the people in question, It was almost as if they had a negative predisposition before any news had been released.
If you constantly have this negative outlook you won’t enjoy the game nor your damn life!
you just have to look at Ad Astra sweeping statement a few comments up to see what im getting at. people dont seem to be weighing up the positives and negatives, feels more like a lynching to me.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
I already know I'm not even going to buy the game let alone enjoy it. Not lynching...but boycotting. From my point of view this is what Bethesda deserves.
Please spare me the happy philosophy bullshit.
Oh, I have weighted them up... and guess what - the negatives completely destroy the positives.
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
shorrtybearr said:fedaykin said:shorrtybearr, I can assure you that BN has actually been more positive about F3 than most people here.
Note, though, that coming here and going "but you're sooo anti-bethesda
Like i said, maybe i was a bit premature in assuming him anti bethesda.
I feel you've over simplified my arguments to get a point across. I know full well that negative criticism is a part of life and in some cases is a necessary evil however i got the feeling that nothing in the past few days could have pleased some of the people in question, It was almost as if they had a negative predisposition before any news had been released.
If you constantly have this negative outlook you won’t enjoy the game nor your damn life!
you just have to look at Ad Astra sweeping statement a few comments up to see what im getting at. people dont seem to be weighing up the positives and negatives, feels more like a lynching to me.
this would be a common mis-conception of new people to the forums.
when iply first announced selling FO IP to beth, all the mods said wait and see what they do to it, and a few people decryed it as a comming apocolypse.
they said it was going to be a RT FPS like oblivious. they said it was going to use radiant ai like obvilious. they said it was going to be multi-platform like oblivious.
still the mods said wait and see. that was the polar oppisite of what FO 1+2 was, beth wouldnt buy the FO IP and change a TB RPG into a RT FPS. if beth was going to do that, why buy the FO IP in the first place.
then some news started comming out.
the reason people are anti-beth and hate the "FO" that beth is releasing? its the polar oppisite of what FO 1+2 was.
Isn't that somewhat telling of your attitude towards negative criticism? But OK, that's just how you phrased it. I may be reading too much between the lines.shorrtybearr said:
Again, with this statement you are kind of forcing a positivism upon us. As if we have to ignore the negative bits in order to make the game good in our minds. Well, guess what, if you constantly ignore negative aspects you might end up thinking shit is gold.shorrtybearr said:
Guess what, lots of news has been released so far, and a large part of it confirms many of the fears that people had before any info was released. Funny, isn't it? So, what, are people supposed to ignore what seems bad and just go "oh but i'm sure they'll make a great game anyway"?shorrtybearr said:
Your only example is a 15-post newbie? (No offence, Ad Astra!). Yes, you can always find people with extreme views, anywhere. So?shorrtybearr said:
Seriously, just take a look at the comments to other newsposts, as well as the links BN gave you. Get an overview instead of coming with preconceived notions that you got from some other forum.
Most of this 'news' isn't actually new and has been known for a long time, so yes, people have for a long time already assessed this information.shorrtybear said:
And please, going 'You're all just negative nancies' is silly. If you disagree with someone's assessment then discuss the assessment, not someone's perceived motives.
Brother None said:
While death was permanent in Fallout, death is definately not permanent in all (non-mmorpg) RPGs. For instance, in Baldurs Gate you could revive your dead team members through magic and in temples. IIRC there was a similar system in Icewind Dale.