Dr Fallout
Centurion
Stop please, this constant crowing over numbers hurts me. Numbers aren't everything, especially when you're armed with the top of the gear stuff.
There should have been extra endings for NV?
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It's even a theme in the game- the Brotherhood are where they are, *because of* their low numbers. If they had the resources, they wouldn't hide in a bunker all day. The NCR is simply offing them all one by one due to their *numbers* advantage.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I know that, but the NCR have things like... oh I don't know, heavy weaponry.
So what? Heavy weapons don't necessarily prevent you from getting overrun.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I mean that the NCR has heavy weaponry that can punch through power armour.
Basically all factions other than the Legion and NCR and Securitron Army don't have enough Fire Power(aka Numbers) to take it, not even Boomers with their bombs and BoS with their technology, and even with a anarchist siding with Yes Man and destroying it afterwards wouldn't last long as there would be no way to keep Anarchy going and it would soon be disputed and conquered once again
ThatsNotOregano
Where are my gay perks, Todd?
Would of been nice if the Independent route had more of it's own storyline instead of being a mirror of House's quests. Some dedicated quests would of helped strengthen the storyline as to how Vegas would of been affected before/after being independent. There wasn't of a push for a free Vegas except the outer areas (West & North Vegas, Followers?) so ended up doing this storyline last because of lack of appeal. On the other hand: NCR, House, and Legion had a solid presence in the game with their stories differing well from each other.
Yes Man's a neat character, but it felt like I was working more for him than the independence of Vegas. I was expecting more of a "Scarface" scenario by taking over Vegas for myself by killing/siding with nearby factions while having Yes Man as a partner, but it turns out at the end that he shuts himself down to become more aware. I also found it annoying that he couldn't be killed.
Yes Man's a neat character, but it felt like I was working more for him than the independence of Vegas. I was expecting more of a "Scarface" scenario by taking over Vegas for myself by killing/siding with nearby factions while having Yes Man as a partner, but it turns out at the end that he shuts himself down to become more aware. I also found it annoying that he couldn't be killed.
SarcasticGoodGuy
*R O T T E N*
Brotherhood victory? Eww this isn't Bethesda.
But in all serious, these endings are fine, I just would've liked more choices and quests. Maybe if Obsidian had more time...
But in all serious, these endings are fine, I just would've liked more choices and quests. Maybe if Obsidian had more time...
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Imagine if the game gave you the option to give them your army of MKII Securitrons...
SarcasticGoodGuy
*R O T T E N*
I can see Bethesda doing something like that...
"Thank you Courier, we are forever grateful to you.
Congratulations on your promotion to Supreme Elder- a new rank we created for only you. Command our fleet of 111 airships and conquer the West Coast. We have 456 miscellaneous objectives for you to complete alone, and then we shall play a cheesy pre-rendered cutscene for your viewing pleasure."
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Lol obsidian would've handled that far better though. And giving the securitron army to whoever you want always seemed like an option that was should have been in the game. At the very least the option to give it to NCR.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Or the Legion... no not the Legion. That stinks far too much of technological reliance.
brfritos
Humma Kavulaaaaaaa
Sometimes YOU NEED numbers, even if it's for a brief time.
In WWII Omaha beach was conquered by the allies solely because of numbers, the nazi germans simply killed most of the soldiers that set foot on that beach.
And yet the allies won because they in return simply throw more flesh into the meat grinder that battle was (and they bring some destroyers to bomb nazi positions after day 1, took them 3 days to actually conquer the beach).
In Cold War times there were also a huge disparity between the numbers of Iron Curtain countries regarding tanks, fighting jets and soldiers than their west counterparts in Europe.
Most simulations of war made by NATO would also end most of the time requiring the use of nuclear weapons, because the sheer number of soviet forces would overrun west defenses within days or weeks.
Only in the middle 70's Nato believed they could win over soviet forces in conventional battle without the use of nuclear weapons because the advance in technology of guided munitions.
But I don't think it would make sense for the BoS take control of the Strip.
They simply would confiscate the Securitrons, Laser Cannons and other advanced tech and lock them away.
It's their philosophy, like Veronica explains, they even send an assassin to kill one Elder that was thinking in utilizing the technology of the past for new purposes.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
They were both pretty much equals in technology, so that doesn't prove your point.
That depends on who leads the Brotherhood at the time... if it wasn't some namby pamby piece of shit who's all for "TECHNOLEGUH" but some a hardass who wants to expand BOS power and their position...
Greentoast11
First time out of the vault
More good endings are something that are objectively good. I think they found a sweetspot, but obviously more would be better. Even if they had 10 endings , 15 would be better. I think the endings they have picked are okay, the three major factions and independent. I don't see how the Brotherhood could mantain law and order in New Vegas, due to their numbers. They can't be everywhere at the same time.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Cough, cough, same problem for the securitrons... also ever heard of hiring out to others?
brfritos
Humma Kavulaaaaaaa
Who? The germans or the soviets? The Nazi germany was on par regarding technology and actually when the war began it had superior technology.
On the other hand the soviets airplanes and navy was A LOT inferior to the US and NATO counterparts.
Heck the bulk of the countries using soviet airplanes had the "marvellous" Mig-21 and later the Mig-23.
Even the israeli Kfir was better than the first and on par with the second!
But the BoS in Nevada is guided by the original philosophy of his founder, not the changed mentality of the BoS in Washington or Boston.
So it doesn't make sense for them assuming power.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I was talking about the US and the Germans.Who? The germans or the soviets? The Nazi germany was on par regarding technology and actually when the war began it had superior technology.
On the other hand the soviets airplanes and navy was A LOT inferior to the US and NATO counterparts.
Heck the bulk of the countries using soviet airplanes had the "marvellous" Mig-21 and later the Mig-23.
Even the israeli Kfir was better than the first and on par with the second!
I personally don't mind the change of ideas, that naturally happens with organizations. But keep in mind that dealing with Super mutants isn't exactly part of the original philosophy...
brfritos
Humma Kavulaaaaaaa
If you keep McNamara as Elder, do you mean...
Also one more reason for Hardin having issues with the man, isn't?
T
TorontoReign
Guest
The BoS in Mojave are simply too weak to take over the Strip or Hoover Dam and hold it for any long period of time. Yes, they could possibly win a battle or two and kick NCR out for a short time, until the NCR rounded up enough people to come back and annihilate them. The NCR might not have Power Armor but they are well equipped to deal with the BoS, just like they did at Helios.
In theory you could come up with a scenario where they could win, but it would be a bit far fetched with the current lore. They would need to start recruiting if they were to ever hold a position above ground for any long period of time. The wasteland is hard enough to survive as is. Limiting your faction as they have is a recipe for extinction. The Midwest BoS went a bit far in recruiting tribals who had little to offer, but they did have the right idea.
In theory you could come up with a scenario where they could win, but it would be a bit far fetched with the current lore. They would need to start recruiting if they were to ever hold a position above ground for any long period of time. The wasteland is hard enough to survive as is. Limiting your faction as they have is a recipe for extinction. The Midwest BoS went a bit far in recruiting tribals who had little to offer, but they did have the right idea.