Total Recall, remake, coming soon...(2010)

I am not sure most people can go through that level of artistic process in their lives. Most folks aren't programmed for that, or even if they have an artistic talent, it is often so buried and repressed that it becomes almost impossible to cultivate and nourish.

But I also think that we live in an age where the artistic industry doesn't nurture the creative or artistic impulse.

In a sense its due to inherent contradictions within the industry itself. On one side, since the mid 19th century, we've had a remarkable creative wave in the arts, sciences,engineering- but in part because a growing capitalist economy looked for opportunities to exploit and develop. But as the industry has grown and costs of development increased (in part because everyone wants a big share of the stake), the costs of business reached such a high level that it deterred the high costs of artistic development.

R&D is expensive, especially if it gets pissed away when some other firm in another country exploits the R&D or can backward engineer a creation. Creating new music is difficult when file sharing robs the industry of profits. There are thousands of aspiring authors out there, but few are writing well enough or are so favored by luck as to publish, and many of those who publish don't get the exposure needed to become "sucecssful." Films, with the exception of independents, are such costly ventures, that investors want a "sure thing" which robs the film of its ingenuity, creativity and novelty.

Perhaps its not surprising that so much creativity has been coming out of foreign places- which often don't have the costs found in the developed economies or where stories exist that have yet to be told.

While I agree with Alec that much has "been done" and suffers the "been there, done that" problem, I am not completely convinced.

Western literature, for instance, has suffered from a form of introspection and self consciousness that works at the disadvantage of undermining other forms of examination. Where as art should allow us to examine our inner selves and the workings of our social world, I think there is a lot to be said about expanding out. Rather then intensive examination, perhaps extensive.

Each of us lives in a world confined by our cognitive or perceptional horizons. Part of what we should embrace in life is the expansion of that horizon, because by doing so we become not only more aware of our lives but of those lives around us. There are stories that we could have told that got passed on because they were not politically or socially popular of the time, ground that was not fully examined that still may produce. There are stories that remain locked in cultures we have barely explored.

Furthermore, there are new technologies that are unlocking new opportunities for story telling as well. I still think that computer gaming offers opportunities to tell compelling, interactive stories, but that much of that lies wasted by the industry itself. That it is small boutiques that offer the hope of the industry, and not the big firms- much as it is often the small independent studios that will point the way for the big commercial houses to follow.

This has been the problem of art for over a hundred years, probably longer. The artistic spark comes from the imagination- the rare genius who feels compelled to create. The commercial houses represent the industry that exploits those creations and which live to profit. Yet, the development of art takes time and investment, which the industry is reluctant to give. The greater the time and investment, the greater the risk for the firms, and the less likely you'll find great art coming from there.
 
SuAside said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
Has anyone actually gone back and watched the A-Team now that we have hair on our balls (speaking on behalf of myself)
It's horrendous.
It always was.
So was the Dukes of Hazzard.
So was Knight Rider.
It's unwatchable now.

That being said, the A-Team theme song is awesome.

How long until the Airwolf movie?
add MacGyver & Kung Fu to the list :)
And when the public tires of those then we can do CROSSOVERS!

There's already AvP, and GI Joe Vs. Transformers comic.

How about
Airwolf vs. Knightrider!
Manimal Vs. Beastmaster!
Smurfs Vs. Fraggles!
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
And when the public tires of those then we can do CROSSOVERS!

There's already AvP, and GI Joe Vs. Transformers comic.

How about
Airwolf vs. Knightrider!
Manimal Vs. Beastmaster!
Smurfs Vs. Fraggles!

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? The ultimate crossover!

GreyViper said:
Alright dint see this one coming. What next, remake of Blade Runner and Star Wars?

Funny you should say that...

WENN said:
Gossip Girl star Penn Badgley is hoping to follow in the Footloose footsteps of his co-star Chace Crawford - he's eyeing his own Hollywood remake with Harrison Ford's Blade Runner.

Crawford signed on to star in the remake of Kevin Bacon's 1984 dance film Footlose earlier this year after High School Musical star Zac Efron pulled out of the cast.

And 22-year-old Badgley is keen to make moves of his own on the big screen, in a re-write of Ford's 1982 sci-fi film.

He tells the New York Daily News, "I'll be the first guy to star in the remake of 'Blade Runner'!"
 
Unkillable Cat said:
Funny you should say that...

WENN said:
(...) he's eyeing his own Hollywood remake with Harrison Ford's Blade Runner.

And 22-year-old Badgley is keen to make moves of his own on the big screen, in a re-write of Ford's 1982 sci-fi film.

He tells the New York Daily News, "I'll be the first guy to star in the remake of 'Blade Runner'!"

NOOOOOooo!!!... :P . what, seriously??? :facepalm:
 
I don't know what's worse, that it's from Gossip Girl, that they call it Harrison Ford's, or that this numbnuts actually thinks he can step up to the plate.

If you hate this stuff, just don't support it. Hollywood may very well be creatively bankrupt, what with the Comic Book movies, remakes and Japanese horror redos. But if people stopped going to see this shit they would stop.

Blame the movie-going public for lapping this shit up.
 
Have you seen the movie going public lately?

90% of movie-goers have just recently begun growing body hair in weird places, and are using movies as a venue to explore possible physical relations with members of the opposite sex. They don't care what's on the big screen, their attention is focused on the person in the seat next to them. It's been like this for decades. It's not gonna change any time soon.

Hollywood is testing how close to a porn film they can make their films, without them actually being porn films. So far they've got the look, plot, story progression and the characters down pat, and are getting close with the soundtrack.
 
Brother None said:
zioburosky13 said:
Has hollywood really running out of creativity lately?

I used to say as much myself but nowadays I'm not so sure. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's not a lack of original ideas that's causing this remake-trend (and not just of 80s material), but an almost panic-level of risk aversion.
You're right about this. It's not that there are no creative people making creative movies, it's that Hollywood is all about return-on-investment. The only big-budget movies I see taking any risks are Pixar movies. Otherwise the investors demand some sort of guarantee before they put up $100,000,000 - a guarantee like a recognizable franchise with an established fan-base: Harry Potter, Star Trek, Batman, Transformers, Dane Cook. If you go outside the big budget titles you can find more interesting material.

Airwolf could actually be made into a decent action flick (remember Blue Thunder?) provided Ernest Bognine had a cameo and Michael Bay could be kept at a distance.

Personally I'm waiting for the Mork & Mindy movie. :clap:
 
Nanu Nanu :P Only Robin Williams himself could fill those shoes (and Jonathan Winters has probably passed by now)

Blue Thunder wasn't bad IIRC, I always got the impression that Airwolf tried to capitalize on BT, but it's so long ago I can't remember which came first.


It's not like TV to movie never works. Fire Walk with Me is a great standalone Lynch film and it adds a whole hell of a lot to Twin Peaks. It actually sealed the whole series up nicely by finally explaining the events that are the entire basis for the show. It never had a "we're cashing in by recycling some nostalgic bits" vibe like others. In fact, from a story it standpoint accomplishes more than the end of the series itself did. Not that one couldn't argue that Lynch isn't always out just to tell stories...

This kind of approach could actually work wonders for the Sopranos. Not a big fan, but the ending seemed pretty wishy-washy from what I heard.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
It's not like TV to movie never works. Fire Walk with Me is a great standalone Lynch film and it adds a whole hell of a lot to Twin Peaks. It actually sealed the whole series up nicely by finally explaining the events that are the entire basis for the show. It never had a "we're cashing in by recycling some nostalgic bits" vibe like others.
It makes a difference that it was a direct extension of Lynch's grand vision for Twin Peaks. It took him years of struggle to get the investment for the TV show, and it's success gave him the ability to give it a conclusion.

Fire Walk with Me produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and directed by Michael Bay would've been...well, you can imagine. I think Nicholas Cage and Ben Affleck would've been in it. It's possible there's a screening room in hell that shows it over and over again for eternity.
 
Two more 80s films that I've found are up on the remake block: Short Circuit and Police Academy.

I also recall rumours about someone trying to push trough a remake of Smokey & The Bandit.

Blergh.
 
Errr, Short Circuit? I really don't see the potential there.

UniversalWolf said:
It makes a difference that it was a direct extension of Lynch's grand vision for Twin Peaks. It took him years of struggle to get the investment for the TV show, and it's success gave him the ability to give it a conclusion.

Fire Walk with Me produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and directed by Michael Bay would've been...well, you can imagine. I think Nicholas Cage and Ben Affleck would've been in it. It's possible there's a screening room in hell that shows it over and over again for eternity.
Lynch did make all the difference, still blows my mind that a major network took a chance and broke out of their safe, stale, formulaic rubbish to let him shake things up like he did. Enjoyed it while it lasted, not likely to happen again for a loooong time.
 
Unkillable Cat said:
Have you seen the movie going public lately?
Hollwood doesn't need creative people anymore.

Your average movie-goer is as discerning as a brick, when it comes to choosing high-quality entertainment.

This is the final stage of capitalism, btw.

Stage 1 was pricing a product or service according to its worth.
Stage 2 was realising that all products and services are simply a means to make money.
Stage 3 is programming us to consume products and services, that we don't need, regardless of their quality, as rapidly as possible.

Sad, but I don't see a happy ending to this.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Errr, Short Circuit? I really don't see the potential there.
You don't see the potential? The potential for disaster? :)

The original was a decent kids movie that I remember gave one of my childhood friends a big Ally Sheedy crush, which I thought was pretty funny, but I can see a remake being utter crap.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Lynch did make all the difference, still blows my mind that a major network took a chance and broke out of their safe, stale, formulaic rubbish to let him shake things up like he did. Enjoyed it while it lasted, not likely to happen again for a loooong time.
To get the funding Lynch had to divide the rights between several different entities, which is why it was impossible to get a complete DVD set with everything on it until recently. The pilot, the movie, and the series all had different owners.

I think it could still be done today, but it would take the kind of tenacity and determination (and luck) that Lynch had. Not many people have that combination of vision and passion (or obsession).
 
Ally Sheedy was the less attractive girl in the Breakfast Club, right? Speaking of which, I think they're remaking that too, which is just idiotic, because that film is completely tied to the era it was set in. Oh well.

Anyway so yeah, remaking Short Circuit. Here's an important point you might forget: Short Circuit sucked. Really. It did. It's one of those kid's films that seemed like fun when you were a kid because you hadn't developed standards back then. It's not a decent kid's film, it's a terrible kid's film.

I don't care if they rape it a new asshole.
 
I liked it... well actually I didn't, I liked the beginning where the robots blew stuff up and for some reason the company logo.
After that I always got bored, bit like Flight of Navigator where it just gets rubbish after the beginning.
They're probably remaking that as well.
 
Your Short Circuit link just revealed to me that... that they're remaking... (the bastards!)

The Thing!

If they f*ck this up (and they will) I am personally going to launch a Jihad. Who's with me?

You'll have to bring your own explosives.
 
k9wazere said:
Your Short Circuit link just revealed to me that... that they're remaking... (the bastards!)

The Thing!

Assuming you mean Carpenter's the Thing, you do realise that film is a remake itself, right?
 
Brother None said:
k9wazere said:
Your Short Circuit link just revealed to me that... that they're remaking... (the bastards!)

The Thing!

Assuming you mean Carpenter's the Thing, you do realise that film is a remake itself, right?
Yes.

However, we're not in an era of re-making films to make them better, anymore. Carpenter's remake is a wonderful film.

The decision to remake a film today is purely a business decision. I mean, they assign some random MTV or advert director to them, hire whichever actor is flavour of the month, and make up the script on set.

It has nothing to do with "improving" an old film.
 
Brother None said:
k9wazere said:
Your Short Circuit link just revealed to me that... that they're remaking... (the bastards!)

The Thing!

Assuming you mean Carpenter's the Thing, you do realise that film is a remake itself, right?

Probably the least remakey remake ever, they hardly even resemble each other.
 
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