Total Recall, remake, coming soon...(2010)

John Carpenter was something else, then he just lost it.
Reminds me of Warren Spector's career.

The last thing the The Thing needs is a remake with some antiseptic CG. I miss the organic nastiness special effects used to have (The Thing, Alien). CG is like a toupee, when I know it's there, I just can't take the anything else seriously since all I can think is "damn who thought that looks natural?".
I wonder if Fangoria even exists anymore what with CG dominance in movies?
 
TwinkieStabllis said:
i think they should remake Batman The Dark Knight
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Totally man. TDK sucked!

/sarcasm

I miss the organic nastiness special effects used to have (The Thing, Alien). CG is like a toupee, when I know it's there, I just can't take the anything else seriously since all I can think is "damn who thought that looks natural?".
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There are movies which used CGI technology in the way people were questioning how it's been done (Curious case of Benjamin Button). But also those that totally looked fake (Arnold Schwarzenegger as T-800 in the Termintor:Salvation movie) but still people are praising it for looking so "awesome".

Also, the Wolverine movie had some lame CGI.
 
Public said:
There are movies which used CGI technology in the way people were questioning how it's been done (Curious case of Benjamin Button). But also those that totally looked fake (Arnold Schwarzenegger as T-800 in the Termintor:Salvation movie) but still people are praising it for looking so "awesome".

Also, the Wolverine movie had some lame CGI.
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The issue I see with CGI is just that its to overused. Good CGI even can still be "bad" when 90% of the movie are full with it its like alcohol sometimes the right liquor is a good thing but to much of it and it makes the head dizzy. The thing is just that CGI compared to usual special effects (like pupets and mechanical equipment) is much cheaper and faster and in general many see it as just "cool" regardless how crap it is. No one should missunderstand me, CGI means not "less" skill compared to the other tools of filming but it allows to do much more in a shorter time and thats what sadly only counts for many. Just look at the Alien ship in the Alien movie or the whole sett which was always done in traditional ways it was one of the most expensive parts of the movie as it took so long to get it all done. The funny thing is that you also can achieve just as much with "traditional" filming compared to CGI though. One would be surprised how many awesome and wow-effects have been created with extremly yet simple ways. In Alien they used mirrors to make a corridor look much longer then it really was. Spaceships have been only painted on side, namely the one you see moving in the film. And many many other things like the motion scaner they used which was made by stuff you would find every day in your house (the package for eggs for example painted black and stuffed on some other box).
 
Alien is a great example of pre-CG special effects. I heard the alien eggs, when exposed consisted of various shit that Ridley Scott picked up from the butcher shop - lungs/livers whatever. Like I said gives things a really nasty, wet, organic feel compared to some, clean, digital shit. Great art direction overall too (same guy did the art direction for Conan IIRC). CG is no replacement for good art direction, rather it should be deopendant on it.

I think the problem is that all too often CG is used as a crutch for lack of creativity/art direction.

Pre-CG effects showed a lot of creativity and innovation over the years. That's not to say I'm calling for a return to stop-motion, I'm all for progress. Nor was all the old stuff great (see: MST3K). Progress and innovation are good things, CG still has a way to go.
 
Yeah, it's totally true that special effects (visual effects are CGI, "special" are those we're talking about) can be better because of the details (nasty looking, organical).
Like in first two Aliens, The Thing, The Fly.

Even when I look at the old Star Wars, they look much better because they used open locations. Not like in preguals, where most of the scenes were filmed using Blue Screen


Wonder how Total Recal will be made. Probably CGI all the way, hehe.

The same for the CGI Mad Max 4.
 
Hope they don't forget to remake the girl with the three breasts.
I guess Lycia Naff still has it, although she's 20 years older.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Alien is a great example of pre-CG special effects. I heard the alien eggs, when exposed consisted of various shit that Ridley Scott picked up from the butcher shop - lungs/livers whatever. ...
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Hah! Yeah exactly youre right here. What he as well did to get the moement inside the egg when Cain (its first victim) watched over it with light have been actualy Riddleys hands while he was on the ground which could not be seen by the camera. The Egg, the interior of the ship, the facehuger and everything around the alien have been designed by the surrealist H.R Gigger a genious. He also did most of the creature effects in the movie Species 1 and the harkonen furniture for Dune as well if I remember right. Its sad that movies today loost somewhat the "touch" with traditional artists. Very sad. Many great things have come out of it. Like some concepts from Gerard Jean "Moebius" Giraud that have been as well used for the one or other movie

Demonslayer said:
Hope they don't forget to remake the girl with the three breasts.
I guess Lycia Naff still has it, although she's 20 years older.
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Not after nipple-gate ... seen how "America" freaked out about from ONE nipple already ? now think about 3 ! The movie has to be keeped "teen" you know ... for the big money ... and such. A summer blockbuster has to be seen by the whole family! And billy cant take tits or even hookers with tits! lightly with his 13 years (only asploding heads, as we know from games)! His mom neither!

So I would expect for a total recall remake the removal of tits, sex, hookers and a (eventualy) moraly controversial plot in favour for the asploding heads, explosions and violance. Oh and of course asploding people. From time to time.
 
Brother None said:
Ally Sheedy was the less attractive girl in the Breakfast Club, right?
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That's a matter of opinion. I liked her more than Molly Ringwald. :|

Brother None said:
Speaking of which, I think they're remaking that too...
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Oh man, that sounds awful. Just the idea of remaking The Breakfast Club is... :facepalm:

Brother None said:
Here's an important point you might forget: Short Circuit sucked. Really. It did. It's one of those kid's films that seemed like fun when you were a kid because you hadn't developed standards back then. It's not a decent kid's film, it's a terrible kid's film.
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I'd have to disagree that it's a terrible kids film. Not that you're wrong about the sucking part, but I knew kids who saw it and loved it, and they're the ones it was made for. It wasn't made to stand up to criticism from jaded NMAers, that's for sure.

Brother None said:
I don't care if they rape it a new asshole.
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Agreed. If only they'd stick to remaking movies like Short Circuit, I'd have no complaint. Ghostbusters on the other hand...

Cimmerian Nights said:
Alien is a great example of pre-CG special effects. I heard the alien eggs, when exposed consisted of various shit that Ridley Scott picked up from the butcher shop - lungs/livers whatever. Like I said gives things a really nasty, wet, organic feel compared to some, clean, digital shit.
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I like the story about how the surface of the Death Star in Star Wars was made from scores of plastic model kits from a toy store. Battleships, aircraft carriers - that sort of thing.

I also recommend the original Planet of the Apes if you haven't seen it lately. The special effects in that movie are much more convincing than CGI. Even though the ape costumes are clearly foam latex or something, they have a solidity CGI can't match.
 
Ghostbusters on the other hand...
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They're not remaking that, I heard they just want to make another sequel with the old cast and the some newcomers too.

I also recommend the original Planet of the Apes if you haven't seen it lately. The special effects in that movie are much more convincing than CGI. Even though the ape costumes are clearly foam latex or something, they have a solidity CGI can't match.
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The remake of Planet of the Apes did it pretty well with costumes.
 
Public said:
Ghostbusters on the other hand...
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They're not remaking that, I heard they just want to make another sequel with the old cast and the some newcomers too.
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So we're talking Blues Brothers 2000 territory...

The remake of Planet of the Apes did it pretty well with costumes.
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I haven't seen it (because Planet of the Apes is one of those movies that needed a remake like a hole in the head), but I've seen clips, and I know they didn't do it better than the original, just different. I generally like Tim Burton, too. It would've been cool if he'd remade Planet of the Apes 2 instead, cause those sequels could stand remaking.

Actually, I've always thought Tim Burton should make a version of MacBeth.
 
zioburosky13 said:
The new script is being written by Kurt Wimmer, who's only movies his directed worth watching is Equilibrium, starring current hollywood hot cake 'action' star Christian Bale .
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that's 1 down for Kurt Wimmer (Equilibrium, Ultraviolet - Logic)
and 1 up for Christian Bale (he can act and prefers more thoughtful action roles), so chances should be still 50% for a not-too-stupid movie.

zioburosky13 said:
Has hollywood really running out of creativity lately? Or is the 'remake of the 80's' become the current trend of movie industry? :o
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Remakes still milk the cash cow if there's enough time/quality distance from the older movies.

Another reason is that studios tend to get their hands on changing the story to their will and don't want to make a movie if the author wants to keep his story unaltered. As most remakes are already altered ...
(easy to see, once you've read the books to those movies - and no, you can't ask why - I'm not discussing politics)
 
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