Two weeks and a day after London was bombed...

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..and one day after their last fumbled (and failed) attempt to do the same again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

Man shot dead by police on Tube
Stockwell Tube station
Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around the station
A man has been shot dead by police at Stockwell Tube station in south London, as officers hunt four bombing suspects.

Met Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said officers fired after the man was challenged and refused to obey police.

The incident was "directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation", he said.

BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said the man shot dead was not thought to be one of four bomb suspects shown in CCTV images released by police.

Officers hope the CCTV footage will help them trace the four people they say tried to set off devices on Thursday at Oval, Warren Street, Shepherd's Bush stations and on a bus in Shoreditch in east London.


They pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him
Witness Mark Whitby

'They unloaded five shots'
Shooting watershed for UK
Stockwell in graphics

Police have yet to release details of the identity of the man shot dead at about 1000 BST in Stockwell.

Sir Ian told a press conference: "I need to make clear that any death is deeply regrettable but as I understand the situation the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions."

Stockwell passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers".

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him," he said.

Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around Stockwell station. Passengers were evacuated from the station, which is on the Northern Line and Victoria Line.

Teams of forensic officers are working inside the station, and police helicopters are hovering overhead.

Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following a request by the police.

BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following.

"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.

"They brought in the air ambulance. They did everything they can to revive him. He died at the scene."

Police had warned they would shoot to kill if they believed somebody to be a threat, she added.


It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead
Muslim Council of Britain

Will police now shoot to kill?

The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy.

Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear.

"It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead."

Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man appeared to be wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".


The man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door
Passenger Dan Copeland

Stockwell left in shock

Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot.

He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, then we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms.

"Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.

"An officer jumped on the door to my left and screamed, 'Everybody out!'

"People just froze in their seats cowering for a few seconds and then leapt up.

"As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs.

"I ran past an armed officer who was standing on the platform and ran up the stairs."

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Does this change anything? Does it mean the police are closer to finding the people responsible for yesterday's failed attacks, and therefore the attacks of two weeks ago?
 
Good thing the bombs were less destructive adn that the police caught some before they went off might mean they catch these guys sooner.

That said, this could be two cells operating independently, or a copycat attack. There may be little to link except a shared sense of outrage among extreme members of the Brit community.

For me the question is- if these are homegrown terrorists- why have they gone to such extremes?
 
welsh said:
For me the question is- if these are homegrown terrorists- why have they gone to such extremes?
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Frustration in the conservative Islamic community over the steady assimilation (or intigration) of muslim immigrants into western society. Terrorists attempt to polarize christian and muslim elements in a western nation and thereby driving more muslims into extremism.

There's probably something about Iraq in there too.
 
Holy crap, the police had GUNS to shoot the bad guy this time. It sounds like they wasted the guy in case he was carrying a bomb so he couldn't set it off. We'll have to wait and see. - Colt
 
Oh give me abreak... Turner Diaries my ass. It had no more impact on him than Koran did on 9/11 bombers, or the London fuckers.
 
RealEagle said:
Oh give me abreak... Turner Diaries my ass. It had no more impact on him than Koran did on 9/11 bombers, or the London fuckers.
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I think you're right. Everytime that event is mentioned on TV or elsewhere, the motivation behind it is always linked to just 1 thing. It's the simplest way to answer simple questions. That was kind of the point i was going for. Plus, i like using the IMG tag.
 
I just want the truth to be out. Unpleasant or not. And the truth is never simple.

Too bad people make their career by focusing other people's attention on simple things.
 
Mikey said:
Does this change anything? Does it mean the police are closer to finding the people responsible for yesterday's failed attacks, and therefore the attacks of two weeks ago?
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Yes, it does, it changes the UK into a fascist state where the police can first disarm and then execute people

OY VE!
 
Kharn said:
Yes, it does, it changes the UK into a fascist state where the police can first disarm and then execute people.
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Disarm then execute would have a better twist if they gave the suspect a pistol full of blanks. Then they could have a proper gun battle that they'd definitely win!
 
and in egypt today:

Blasts kill 50 in Egyptian Red Sea resort

By Tom Perry
Reuters
Saturday, July 23, 2005; 1:17 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - Fifty people died and 200 were wounded when car bombs ripped through a bazaar and tourist hotels in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday in Egypt's worst attack in nearly a decade.

Shaken European tourists spoke of mass panic and hysteria as people fled the carnage, with bodies strewn across the roads, people screaming and sirens wailing.


The regional governor said two car bombs and possibly a suitcase bomb had rocked the resort that is popular with divers.

One blast tore the front off the Ghazala Gardens Hotel in Naama Bay, the site of most of the resort's luxury hotels, where people were feared trapped in the rubble.

A car broke into the hotel compound and exploded in front of the building, South Sinai Governor Mustafa Afifi said. Egyptian tourist hotels always have police guards at the gates.

"I have never been so scared in the whole of my life," British tourist Samantha Hardcastle said of the bombs.

"The explosion we felt was very violent and the hotel we are staying in shook," she told BBC television. "It was absolutely horrific."

It was the worst attack on tourist targets in Egypt since militant Islamists trying to bring down the government killed 58 tourists at an ancient temple near Luxor in 1997.

Britons, French, Spaniards, Dutch, Qataris, Kuwaitis and Egyptians were among the dead and wounded, police sources said.

Thirteen Italians and 15 other foreigners were among the wounded, a Tourism Ministry spokeswoman said. She had no firm figures for the number of non-Egyptian fatalities.

 
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Police say the man they shot dead at a London Underground station was a Brazilian national "not connected" with this week's attempted bombings on the city's transit system.

London police identified the man as 27-year-old Jean Charles de Menezes.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets," the police statement said Saturday.

During a news conference following Friday's shooting, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said "this shooting is directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation."

Despite the apparent setback, Blair said Saturday he was pleased with the probe and the work that investigators are doing.

"I think the Metropolitan Police [are] performing absolutely outstandingly, and I'm very proud of them," he said.

De Menezes on Friday left a south London apartment building that had been under surveillance as part of the investigation into the attempted bombings Thursday.

Officers followed him to the Stockwell Underground station. The man's "clothing and suspicious behavior at the station added to their suspicions," a police statement said.
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Gestapo is on the move!!!! This shows how the police is unprepared to deal with this kind of situation. Kill first and make questions later. Not a good begin.

Despite the apparent setback, Blair said Saturday he was pleased with the probe and the work that investigators are doing.

"I think the Metropolitan Police [are] performing absolutely outstandingly, and I'm very proud of them," he said.
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Sure. Keep the good work boys. Someday we are going to kill the right guys. Well I think the terrorists accomplished their mission. destabilize the society and scare the people. hmm. If this is a new trend and they start to blow themselves in Britain instead of Iraq this "resource liberation" war is going to end very soon.
 
Turns out those British cops shot an innocent. I think we need to get those cops to also shoot all politicians and people involved in the media to get rid of their bloody fear-mongering.

Source: Optus News
 
mmm... reading about it on the guardian...

Witnesses said the man jumped the ticket barriers and was chased into the station, where he half-tripped boarding a train. He was allegedly pushed to the floor by armed police, then, according to eyewitnesses, an officer fired five shots into his head.
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I didn't know dodging purchasing a ticket was punishable by death now. Shoplifters beware! You're next! And also curious, that as they pinned the man to the floor and proceeded to shoot him in the head, they didn't say hrm... no bombs anywhere?
 
aegis said:
and in egypt today
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Who cares?

Anyway, sucks to be British, really. Fortunately, Sweden has been pretty neutral in the wahr and isn't that much of a potential target. 'They' might hit Denmark at the closest, which would be bad of course, since I have a pal who lives there, though he doesn't live in Copenhagen so it shouldn't be a problem.
 
EyeMaster7 said:
Gestapo is on the move!!!! This shows how the police is unprepared to deal with this kind of situation. Kill first and make questions later. Not a good begin.
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And a Brazilian, too

I mean, what the fuck did Brazilians ever do to you?
 
I dunno, speak Portugese?

Then again, it doesn't say if the Police told him to stop. If they did, not doing so and running would have been a pretty stupid thing to do especially after what happened recently in the tube.

Really, I think the one word that sums this up is "bugger".
 
Specialist said:
Turns out those British cops shot an innocent.
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Well...

Said Brazillian had lived in London for 5 years, and was a fluent english speaker. General Police practice when pursuing someone is to yell "Stop! Police!"- not exactly the most complex of English sentences. Now, Brazillo did NOT stop, even after seeing (I assume) drawn firearms. He instead, cunningly after the bombs that had torn through his city of residence, kept running with his rucksack ONTO a train.

Now, he may have been innocent even though he did start his fateful journey from an observed house, but he was asking to be shot running from police in a tube station with a rucksack. Sympathies to his family, and all that, but in my biggoted oppinion, his fault.
 
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