Tyranids vs. Zerg: Whoever wins, we lose...

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In the fictional Warhammer 40,000 setting, the Tyranids are a nomadic alien race comprising many genetically engineered forms. They are the "Great Devourer" and are the "most alien race" in the Imperium. They are an "elemental force" that seeks to consume all in their path, draining all planets of any possible resource with horrific speed.

Tyranids were first described in Rick Priestley's Rogue Trader, the first edition of the Warhammer 40,000. At that time they were not an emphasised race in the game, instead representing a limited number of occasionally-encountered alien antagonists. In later editions the Tyranids became a playable race in their own right, popularised by a number of successful board games. Unlike most Warhammer 40,000 races, the Tyranids do not have a Warhammer Fantasy Battle counterpart, although they possess reptilian characteristics, similar to the Lizardmen & many of their larger units resemble dragons.

Tyranids are typically a close combat army and mostly rely on swarming their enemies through numbers.
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The Zerg Swarm are a race of fictional insectoids and the overriding antagonists of the StarCraft series. Operating as a hive mind, the Zerg strive for genetic perfection by assimilating "worthy" races into their own, creating numerous different strains of Zerg. Unlike the Protoss and the Terrans, the Zerg do not use technology, instead using assimilation of other species and directed mutation to develop traits to match such technology. As with the other two primary races, the Zerg are the subject of a full campaign in each of the series' real-time strategy video games. Zerg units are designed to be cheap and fast to produce, encouraging players to overwhelm their opponents with sheer numbers. Since the release of StarCraft the Zerg have become a video gaming icon, described by PC Gamer UK as "the best race in strategy history". The phrase "zerging" has entered video gaming jargon to describe using many low-cost and weak units to overwhelm an enemy.
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Who would win?

...Personally, I vote for the Tyranids. <s>Because the Zerg ripped them off.</s>
 
Everything in SC is a rip off of something, but a well constructed rip off. Zerg though seems to be more from the Alien trilogy kinda. Even the Terrans quotations are from the Alien trilogy.




The game mechanics are great though....
 
I already fucking explained that Starcraft isn't a rip off and the Zerg aren't a cheap rip-off of the Tyranids. And I'm seriously going to ban people who claim it's a blatant rip-off.

EDIT: Those who point out I used the word rip-off <s>three</s> four times will be banned too.
 
Actually, someone explained to me once that several of the Warhammer 40k armies were rip offs from Starship troopers, but I have NOTHING to back that up with, I just thought I'd point it out. I think calling something a rip off of something else is stupid when both things are well crafted.

I think the Tyranids have tougher units than the Zerg but have more trouble being alone. You can charge 10,000 Zerglings by themselves but if you charge in a whole bunch of Tyranid bitch units you also have to bring in a commander, bringing up a possible weakeness.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Starcraft a rip-off of Warhammer 40k? I consider this assumption to be far fetched, at the least. Starting with setting ending with aesthetics, there is almost nothing in common between them.
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Touché.

WoW Is A Rip-off Of "Warhammer Online," NOT The Other Way Around!
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Source: http://kunochan.com/?p=75

1) Starcraft was originally going to be a Star Wars title, but the Lucas camp rejected the idea. So the Blizz just had to <s>rip off</s> draw inspiration from some other source.
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Source: http://softrockhallelujah.blogspot.com/2008/03/step-to-rythem-of-sho-nuff-winner.html

EDIT: It’s really not a big deal.
 
I always figured that Starcraft leaned heavily on SST rather than Aliens (Skinnies, Bugs, & Troopers = Protoss, Zerg, & Terrans)

40K I would not think in the least had anything to do with Starcraft, unless they replaced all the weapons with nerf guns and mindwiped the entire lot.

Too much hope in Starcraft to be derived from 40K.
 
Exactly. Starcraft DRAWS INSPIRATION from a variety of sources, but doesn't rip them off. In how many games you play the descendants of mutated humans exiled by the fascist United Earth whose ships malfunctioned and arrived at a far away system who built a civilization much like 19th century America (you know, wild west and shit)? And that's just a start.

People often mistake inspiration for plagiarism. To call Starcraft a blatant plagiarism is like calling Call of Duty 4 a plagiarism of Black Hawk Down because it ZOMG! portrays US soldiers!!!1!111!1111!
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Exactly. Starcraft DRAWS INSPIRATION from a variety of sources, but doesn't rip them off. In how many games you play the descendants of mutated humans exiled by the fascist United Earth whose ships malfunctioned and arrived at a far away system who built a civilization much like 19th century America (you know, wild west and shit)? And that's just a start.

People often mistake inspiration for plagiarism. To call Starcraft a blatant plagiarism is like calling Call of Duty 4 a plagiarism of Black Hawk Down because it ZOMG! portrays US soldiers!!!1!111!1111!
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Excellent explanation.

Also I would say the tyrannids own more if only, because they are more fierce looking.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Even the critters from Murder would probably be able to take down the zerg (Appendages that go through ceramite like a hot knife through butter FTW!)
 
Both ripped off the Alien(s) series of movies, probably totally independent of each other.

I also proclaim all statements in this thread as to the origination of the Xenomorph/Insectoid vissage, including my own, to be fanboyish bullshit.
 
AFAIK blizzard and GW were working together in the early 90s. They thought about a Warhammer RTS. They had different ideas on what they want and GW said FUCK YOU to Blizzard and they already had a half finished game so they changed the story and made it WARCRAFT.
I don't know if that's true, but I read it on several sources a while back (so I don't remember where I read it).

Now again:

Terrans in powered armors becoming the new super race in the galaxy. How WH 40k...
Protoss, the enigmatic OLD super race in decline. How WH 40k eldar...
Zerg... well ZERGRUSH!!!! How Tyranids....


Now ban me for stating the obvious, c'mon.
And I mean, if there's influence from somewhere else it's ok, but in this case it's just TOO obvious.
 
Davy Crockett said:
AFAIK blizzard and GW were working together in the early 90s. They thought about a Warhammer RTS. They had different ideas on what they want and GW said FUCK YOU to Blizzard and they already had a half finished game so they changed the story and made it WARCRAFT.
I don't know if that's true, but I read it on several sources a while back (so I don't remember where I read it).

Now again:

Terrans in powered armors becoming the new super race in the galaxy. How WH 40k...
Protoss, the enigmatic OLD super race in decline. How WH 40k eldar...
Zerg... well ZERGRUSH!!!! How Tyranids....


Now ban me for stating the obvious, c'mon.
And I mean, if there's influence from somewhere else it's ok, but in this case it's just TOO obvious.
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You're testing my patience. I have explained numerous times that what you write is complete bullshit. It's based on superficial, few elements that are actually similiar.

Of course, you ignore such facts as the total dissimilarity between the background of Terrans and Space Marines, absolute difference between WH40K Powered Armours and Starcraft's CMC-400 PA, stylisation (fanatics aren't similiar to cowboys), technology, situation etc. Or that the Protoss and the Zerg are both a race created by the experiments of a higher, now dead, race, opposite facets of a greater whole, something non-existent between the Eldar and the Tyranid. Or the substantial difference between HARDGAY Eldar and the lightweight, elegant technology of the Protoss.

There are key differences, the only things similiar are the core concepts, and that's not enough to formulate the claim that it's a plagiarism.

Unless you're a thick-headed moron, I can't help you there.
 
Mind if I ask Mikael, why do you get bent outta shape when comparing 40K to Starcraft, as I said before, I'm in the SST comparison pool, but I'm just curious why you have such a serious issue with the 40K-SC comparisons...
 
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