Unpopular Opinion and Discussion thread

[SquidWard]

Yeah that's what we need. Every publisher with it's own storefront. That won't be crowded and bad at all.

We're already there mate.

Origin is the only place to buy things like Anthem, Sims 4, Titanfalls, Apex Legends, Dragon Age Inquisition, etc.
Blizzard App is the only place to buy Destiny 2, Overwatch, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, etc.
Bethesda would be continuing this but they need those Steam customers. I don't anticipate that they won't try again in the future. They really use Steam as a back up sales booster.
GOG tried with Thronebreaker but they don't seem to attract new customers to GOG with their exclusivity release so they released to Steam again.
Steam is the only place to buy Half-Lifes, Left 4 Deads, Portals, etc.
Uplay seems to be an exception because they let you buy the game elsewhere but always require Uplay which is just a major pain in the ass.

I don't like this, but if we're going to do this with the storefronts (which we are and have been doing), we could at least see some better games out of it. The whole reason I got a PS4 over any other console was because of the games that were only available there. Why would I get any other PC store client if they aren't offering games that interest me? What do you care anyway, you'll just tell us we're wasting time on PC anyway and that we should play on console.

 

[R.Graves]

We're already there mate.

[Laughs in console]

What do you care anyway, you'll just tell us we're wasting time on PC anyway

PC would definitely be my platform of choice if it hadn't made the complete switch to digital. But as it is I refuse to pay just for the right to run software apart from the rare occasion where Its a newer release and I wanna support the devs. But for the most part...

 

[Atomkilla]

[Laughs in console]


PC would definitely be my platform of choice if it hadn't made the complete switch to digital. But as it is I refuse to pay just for the right to run software apart from the rare occasion where Its a newer release and I wanna support the devs. But for the most part...

GOG is DRM-free y'know, as well as several other websites.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

America is fucking stupid and Europe is overrated and lame.

Actually, all countries are fucking overrated and probably fucking stupid.

Except for Turkmenistan. Turkmenistan is so fucking weird that is must be doing something right to even exist.

 

[TheGM]

Except for Turkmenistan. Turkmenistan is so fucking weird that is must be doing something right to even exist.

Seems like any other post soviet shithole that was ran by a strongman as his own personal playground.

That said the portal to hell they have is pretty cool.

 

[R.Graves]

GOG is DRM-free y'know, as well as several other websites.

Yeah I know. But lemme know when they start mailing proper physcial copies of the games.

 

[Deleted member 93956]

Grug want cheap colored plastic that only contrives the process of turning the game into actually playable software

 

[Atomkilla]

Yeah I know. But lemme know when they start mailing proper physcial copies of the games.

I could understand you wanting a physical release with bonus content like game guide, booklets, game map, nice box and so on - which GOG/CDPR did for their games, by the way - but insisting on having a piece of plastic in a cheap box with printed cover, which is a industry standard, after all - that's just a very special entry point into the "things I am saying make no goddamn sense" territory.

Buy the game. Download .exe. Burn it on CD.
Voila! You got that shit you're insisting on.
Even better, you can make as many copies as you want.

 

[R.Graves]

Buy the game. Download .exe. Burn it on CD.
Voila! You got that shit you're insisting on.

Not really near the same thing as an official release. There's a certain sad and pathetic vibe to burned CDs. It's why I pay for movies rather than pirate themball the time.

 

[valcik]

There's a certain sad and pathetic vibe to burned CDs.

More than vibe. Chemical stability of pressed disc lasting more than hundred years cannot be compared with much less stable compound in laser written disc. Also only a complete retard cannot see the difference between complete independence from anybody with your own physical copy in contrast of your entertainment being completely dependant on third party paid services such as your ISP.

 

[Atomkilla]

Also only a complete retard cannot see the difference between complete independence from anybody with your own physical copy in contrast of your entertainment being completely dependant on third party paid services such as your ISP.

Such a complete bullshit. You are never truly independent from anybody or anything with physical copies. The moment your CD reader breaks down is the moment when having that online download option suddenly seems good. Same goes for when physical copy goes out of stock - which is something that doesn't happen to digitals.
Oh and remember that third party paid service called electrical power?

Your point on chemical stability is true, and while I can understand Graves' sentiment, the important bit stands - if you wanna support devs but avoid DRM, you can. Everything else is just lazy excuse for piracy.

 

[valcik]

The moment your CD reader breaks down is the moment when having that online download option suddenly seems good.

You are completely free to make and upload a backup copy of your physical CD to any cloud you wish. Hardware malfunction is retarded argument, since digital copy won't make your machine run magically forever and also you can get any piece of new hardware on your own without being dependant on any third party paid service.

Oh and remember that third party paid service called electrical power?

Anybody can generate power on his own, unlike connectivity. And as above, digital copy won't magically protect you from power loss either.

if you wanna support devs but avoid DRM, you can. Everything else is just lazy excuse for piracy.

How is buying licensed copy on physical disc excuse for piracy? Only in world of retards.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

I want physical copies of everything when I have room for it.

Atleast 2 copies, and use DVDR/BLU burned copies of those for daily use and or digital.


Why? because as I got older I need to transfer my brain onto my environment in case I loose mental function and so future tribals with the ability to find my stuff will make necklaces of copies of my Thief Gold collection.

 

[valcik]

.. future tribals with the ability to find my stuff will make necklaces of copies of my Thief Gold collection.

The word of wisdom! Bury functional hardware with it and any future tribals with diesel generator would erect totem for you as their new deity. A canticle for The Dopamine Cleric.

 

[Millim]

I prefer physical over digital anyday.
Problems I find with digital is the lack of personal ownership. I had some code on my computer that lets me listen/play this piece of media.

Physical ownership on the other hand, I have this CD, it's on my shelf and I can see it with the artwork etc.

Also Vinyl > CD

 

[Atomkilla]

I prefer physical over digital too, be it music or games, but digital has some advantages. It is easier to get it, often cheaper, can be used on the go more often than not and doesn't take, you know, space. As much as I love my physical copies, my shelves can hold only so much.
On the other hand, best thing about physical copies is that you don't need an online platform to run it - hence why my PS4 games are all physical.

That being said, I'm not sure where valcik got this notion that physical release = piracy. I don't know if he misunderstood me or is playing dumb.

As far as his arguments go - uploading CD content on a cloud is hardly any more practical than simply getting your stuff DRM-free. I'd argue it's even less practical, because you need a CD reader, a physical copy, connectivity and cloud account - whereas digital copy circumvents half of these requirments.
It is true that one can generate power but not connectivity legally, but that is in and of itself largely impractical and is pulling yourself by the strings. Most of the people in the modern world use state electricity and depend upon it - it is one of the essential things in 21st century and is more than common.
Don't try to make a strawman there, valcik - digital copies won't help with power loss and I've never claimed that.


What I wanna say is that we are all dependent on something to get our tech working. You are dependent on your ISP to write that, for instance - whether you like it or not.

Physical copies hardly help with that. They have some advantages, like those I've listed above, but have a shitton of disadvantages - #1 me being that most modern games are just a boring DVD case that is more often than not more expensive than a digital copy, but that's just me. There are other objective disadvatages.

Anyway, point of all this is that notion of being an independent gamer is not realistic. We are all dependent on something to practice our hobby - acquiring games, hardware, connectivity, power, whatever - some mediums have advantages over other for certain reasons, while at the same time being at disadvantage for other. To each his own, it's a wide market, but at the end of the day we all depend on something to play games.

 

[SquidWard]

Do people know that DRM has been around before online DRM?

Floppy disks sometimes had DRM on them to prevent copies. What about passphrase copy protection? Looking up random codes or parts of sentences in a manual or book that came with the disc?
What about Alone in the Dark's copy protection?

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There's also the code wheels and code sheets that were hard as hell to make a backup of. There were also those lenses that came with games and don't forget the notorious Lenslok! Which apparently could be a pain the ass to use and depending on the size of your screen you'd have to stand at different distances! Woo boy, I bet that shit was annoying as hell.

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I still would prefer physical too but damn is GOG nice. I download the game, the version I downloaded doesn't need any online checks or physical ones either. I can just put as many copies as I want on any drive I want and install it where I want and play it where I want. That's hard to beat usually.

Digital DRM-free a la GOG methods is preferable to me in the ways of practicality. Physical copies of games are preferable to me as well though because I like collecting things. I am upset I lost a lot of my PS1 games from when I was a kid. I wish I still had some of the boxes my games used to come in as well. Collecting that shit is cool and having it work without a Steam key or some other DRM bullshit is even cooler. But I just don't get knocking GOG in the modern world really. Digital will eventually overtake all gaming platforms and systems, it likely just a matter of how long until it does. I've bought every game on my PS4 physically besides MKX which I also own on Steam because it was a good deal for the complete package on PS4. I'll continue to buy physical copies for as long as I can but I'm not convinced it will continue throughout my lifetime unfortunately.

And Atomkilla's right, we can't really be independent gamers.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

My nintendo don't need no online. Probably because they finish a product before they release it.

 

[valcik]

As far as his arguments go - uploading CD content on a cloud is hardly any more practical than simply getting your stuff DRM-free.

Since it was you who came up with the need of any online backup of your physical copy, he just pointed out that creating 1:1 digital copy from your physical disc is very easy, whilst creating industrial quality pressed physical disc from your online digital copy is pretty much impossible. Also, surprise surprise! You don't have to upload your backup to online cloud, you are free to upload it on your own NAS.

It is true that one can generate power but not connectivity legally, but that is in and of itself largely impractical and is pulling yourself by the strings. Most of the people in the modern world use state electricity and depend upon it - it is one of the essential things in 21st century and is more than common.

Sure. Also streamed games running in datacenters and played on low-end terminal are easier for everyone - developers get full control of the environment their product is running in, gamers are relieved of massive investment to any hardware, the only thing what changes is another layer of paid services added in and less control over software he paid for on gamer's end. I am really glad this is not my future but yours, you lazy folks deserve nothing else.

What I wanna say is that we are all dependent on something to get our tech working. You are dependent on your ISP to write that, for instance - whether you like it or not.

You are also dependant on proper room temperature in order to make your hardware run properly, which is totally valid reason for any layers of paid services on top of it. The more paid services needed for gaming, the better for gamers! This is retarded stance you're defending here - whether you like it or not.

 

[Atomkilla]

Valcik, you keep putting words in my mouth. I've never ever mentioned streaming games, nor have I voiced support for paid services of the kind you mention.
I'm not sure if you are misunderstanding me intentionally or not, but frankly, I don't care.
If you don't want to actually talk about things I've mentioned but would rather argue against strawmen, be my guest and talk to the wall.