Dr Fallout
Centurion
Ugh... all this faggotry... burn in hell!
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That you're in love with mad/insane, megalomeniac, psychopaths
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Personally I prefer cruel tyrannical communists.That you're in love with mad/insane, megalomeniac, psychopaths
I don't really think mad/insane is a requirement but besides that yea.That you're in love with mad/insane, megalomeniac, psychopaths
Alexander the Great is my greatest personal hero and inspiration afterall followed by Julius/Augustus Caesar, Napoleon and another.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Meh, Alexander wasn't great... IN COMPARISON to so many others. Genghis the Great... yeah that works.
We're not doing this again where you act like conquering most of the civilized world in one lifetime, never losing a single battle whilst doing so, spreading Hellenic culture, being King of Macedon, a united Greece, Pharaoh of Egypt, King of Persia and being declared King of Asia, breaking the gordian knot, being considered a great figure in multiple cultures all over the world, being remembered and admired from his life all the way to now, and doing it all before hitting his mid thirties is some how not great because "ayy lmao le epic contarian opinion xDDDDDDDD"
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Yea and tell me how civilized and advanced the Mongol Empire was again? All those great things that came about from it's spread? Also lol you're comparing an Empire forged in the fucking BC era to one in 1279 AD. Congrats the mongols took a shitload of shitty land filled with uncivilized people whilst taking advantage of the world undergoing a massive plague, didn't spread a great and innovative culture that led to things like the Great Lighthouse or Library of Alexandria and instead were a bunch of tribal horse fellators and their only legacy is some people have a little bit of mongol blood in them wow surely a great Empire indeed. If only Alexander raped more women then he could be on Genghis' level.Oh yes we are.
Nice.
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Dr Fallout
Centurion
Oh god, Vergil please. Don't make yourself look even more of a retard.
All the major empires they defeated were more civilized then the Persians and Egyptians. They beat the Chinese Empire, the Kwarezmian Empire, the Russian principalities, Hungary, Bulgaria and Poland. Basically they defeated the civilized European nations (you may discount Russia, but the Hungarians and Polish were both Catholic Christians with knights and the trappings of other European powers), they defeated the civilized Chinese who had better technology then the Greeks, they defeated one of the richest and prosperous Islamic empire and all they began with was a shitty strip of land in the middle of nowhere.
They're legacy was much more lasting then Alexander's. The Mongols would control large parts of the world for centuries including Russia and China, not to forget that they would prove to unite large ends of the world and install order and help trade between Europe and China.
Also...
- Literacy and official record-keeping began with the first written Mongolian script, created by adapting the alphabet of the Uighur people of western Mongolia.
- Councils of leaders and a “cabinet” of advisors drawn from different tribes and nations were held to establish policies and make decisions.
- Laws and directions, referred to as the Great Yasa, defined Mongol behavior.
- Religious freedom was extended to all denominations in the belief that the support of religious leaders would foster good relations with the people.
- Civil Service appointments were based on merit, regardless of nationality or connections.
- International passports provided protection for the diplomatic representatives of any nation, facilitating safe passage and trade.
- Rapid communication depended upon the Yam, an efficient mounted messenger service.
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Oh god, Dr Fallout please. Don't make yourself look even more of a retard.
GG comparing events and nations technological advancement in the 300BCs to those in the 1200ADs. These are definitely exactly the same and doing something in an era of WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse technological advancement doesn't give it any more merit at all. I guess inventing the computer was pussy shit because we can do it so easily now ;^)
*something I added because of your dishonest comparison.
Whoa, you mean almost a thousands years later the Chinese had better tech than the ANCIENT GREEKS? This is some shocking shit right here.
You act like theres no fucking difference between the ancient fucking PRE-ROMAN EMPIRE even era and the late middle ages.
That's why there are multiple cities still named after Alexander, details of the Hellenic culture he spread can still be found all around the world, every culture that he went through consider him a great man and don't deny the extremely profound effect he had on their people. Name any fucking examples of "mongolian culture" in any of their far reaching territories they gained like Hellenic culture did. Russia is still more of a Hellenic culture descended country than a Mongolian one despite Alexander never touching it.
Owning land=/=having a profound effect on with and spreading it's culture.
Name me one way current day Russia or China shows Mongolian influence like the whole Western world still shows Hellenic influence?
I guess the mongol's trade now equals to the scientific advancement, philosophical thought and even trade brought about by Alexander's conquests.
Something the Greeks already had.
Alexander made a point to promote high ranking members from conquered peoples and promoted integration.
Greeks are and were already literally famous for their law and philosophy.
Alexander also respected and partially adopted himself the cultures of the people he conquered. He let the Persian king be put to rest with the rest of them for example and adopted some Persian customs.
Ditto with Alexander
So Genghis Khan is greater than Alexander because of fast messengers and protecting traders.
Epic dude if only Alexander had opened a post office then he'd be a great man!
Lol literally by your own definition by things listed here Alexander is a great man. Stop trying to be edgy and pointlessly contrarian and just admit it already. We owe a large part of Western Culture (aka the best culture) to Alexander and his conquests.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
The reason I compared the technological levels of these nations to those of the past is because of your ignorant and frankly ridiculous statement,
Also, you limit yourself by counting legacy solely in cultural terms. The Mongols didn't spread their culture a lot true, but they had a massive affect on history and how the world turned out today. Their rule over Russia and favoritism of Muscovy saw the rise of the idea 'One Russia', their rule in China allowed trade and encouraged European visitors spreading knowledge from two disparate cultures. A lot of what they did Alexander did, but it's so much more 'bigger' so to speak, because he had to spread trade, literacy and laws across multiple cultures that barely met with each other. Alexander had it easy. The Persians themselves believed in free speech and supported integration. Alexander was basically continuing their work. Now Genghis Khan... the Mongols had to integrate Orthodox Russians, Catholic Polish, Muslim Persians, Confucian Chinese and more besides. Many of these had never really interacted with each other due to the size of land inbetween them. Also, it's a bigger achievement because Genghis Khan did all this from a bunch of nomadic savages (before him they were savages). Alexander was a Macedonian who took the century old achievements in Greece and spread it around. Hmm, I wonder who did more....
But if you ignore all that and merely consider cultural legacy... well yes, then Alexander was greater... oh wait, British Empire.
These so called uncivilized nations all had the trappings of civilization seen in Greece, including writing, government, trade, literacy and a complex culture. If you counted nations like China, Europe and Persia as uncivilized what do I have left then technology? The only broad difference between Greece and China is their skin color and form of government, and hell what about Europe? They're also White!
Also, you limit yourself by counting legacy solely in cultural terms. The Mongols didn't spread their culture a lot true, but they had a massive affect on history and how the world turned out today. Their rule over Russia and favoritism of Muscovy saw the rise of the idea 'One Russia', their rule in China allowed trade and encouraged European visitors spreading knowledge from two disparate cultures. A lot of what they did Alexander did, but it's so much more 'bigger' so to speak, because he had to spread trade, literacy and laws across multiple cultures that barely met with each other. Alexander had it easy. The Persians themselves believed in free speech and supported integration. Alexander was basically continuing their work. Now Genghis Khan... the Mongols had to integrate Orthodox Russians, Catholic Polish, Muslim Persians, Confucian Chinese and more besides. Many of these had never really interacted with each other due to the size of land inbetween them. Also, it's a bigger achievement because Genghis Khan did all this from a bunch of nomadic savages (before him they were savages). Alexander was a Macedonian who took the century old achievements in Greece and spread it around. Hmm, I wonder who did more....
But if you ignore all that and merely consider cultural legacy... well yes, then Alexander was greater... oh wait, British Empire.
Guys, you should stop calling any of them 'civiliced', 3000 years ago, hardly any nation was really 'civiliced'. If you could even talk about nations really, but rather tribes or simply cultures.
Compared to Alexander taking down an almost equally advanced to his own Empire like the Persians it's not ridiculous at all.
For their time the Greeks were vastly more advancement and civilized than the rest of the world, China at the time of the Mongols were not.
Yes, many, many, many years later than the Greeks and comparative to the rest of the world, not as special nor comparatively advanced for their time like the Greeks and Persians were.
Never said this, a major point was that Alexander conquered such an advanced contemporary Empire like the Ancient Persians.
Meanwhile the Mongols attacked shitty Eastern European countries during the black plague.
xD
Yes the Chinese and Greeks are basically the same, the only difference is skin colour and government type. Put a Chinese guy in some White paint and make China a democracy and it's basically identical to Ancient Greece.
Good one, made me laugh.
No I'm not. His conquests caused major advancements in the fields of science, philosophy and military tactics to name a few. All of which are consequences of spreading superior Hellenic culture.
And Alexander the Great and the spread of Ancient Greek culture and ideas didn't?
Alexander's rule of Egypt brought Hellenic thought to Egypt which caused it to be a powerhouse of knowledge and learning long after Alexander's death and because of him the Egyptian royalty remained Greek.
There was contact between the west and China long before the Mongols (and by the Greeks no less lol)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...-alexander-the-great-marco-polo-a7357606.html
Not to mention there was contact and trade between the Roman Empire and China as well....
>what is Egypt
>what is the entirety of Persia and all the lands they owned
>what are the multiple tribes he met along the way (including one that hadn't even harnessed fire yet!)
>what is India
Right, Alexander had it soooooo easy.... spreading Western and dare I say progressive ideals..... in the Ancient World. Sounds like a fucking cakewalk for one single man in his 20s/30s to do.
So because the Persians also did something similar it means dog shit when Alexander does it? He didn't "continue their work" since he was doing it as early as with the Greeks/Macedonians (admittedly much easier since theres barely a difference) but also with the Egyptians. You do know the Persians themselves were heavily influenced by previous Akkadian and other Babylonian Empires for their system to keep the multicultural Empire from calling into rebellion, does that mean they deserve less praise? If so don't the Mongols deserve less praise then for doing what so many others had done before?
And Alexander had to integrate the Hellenic Macedonian, Greeks, Egyptian Pagan Egyptians, Zoroastrian Persians, multiple tribes of various faiths in the region, ditto for parts of India and many more besides, many whom had either no contact with eachother or were openly hostile towards one another all while doing it in 300BCs.
And before Alexander and his father the Macedonians were regarded as barbarians by the Greeks who controlled a tiny insignificant holding in northern Greece and turned it into a Empire stretching into India, a land they had never seen before.
..... this nigga really just called the philosophical, mathematical, political and scientific works of the Ancient Greeks that are still studied today as "some century old Greek achievements" and making light of the profound impact spreading those ideas to the far corners of his Empire had. This is the definition of "reaching".
Probably the man whose work led to our modern civilization and is still highly respected in multiple cultures today for his immense contributions to the world, who spread revolutionary Greek thought all around, whose conquests are the source of study by military tacticians to this day, who did more by 30 than most do in their whole lives, who without him we wouldn't have the Ptolemy dynasty and their great works such as the Great Lighthouse and Library of Alexandria, who never lost a single battle as he went on and was only stopped by the protests of his men.
Probably that guy over Genghis Khan whose known for getting his dick wet with a bunch of rape victims and having a lot of dudes walking around with some of his DNA.
The only one ignoring things here is you
oh wait, random topic change.
Yes now it's REALLY fair to compare the 18/19th century world power who over decades upon decades managed to have a large cultural impact whilst Alexander did his in the Ancient world in one single, really half lifetime since he died so young.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
You mean to say that China wasn't that advanced? Or...?
Ugh, you're ignoring what I meant. You called all the land he conquered as uncivilized even though that's ridiculous because the Chinese, Persians and Europeans were civilized because they had better tech, culture, written language, organized governments and large trading institutions. They had scientific discoveries and large empires. Just what the fuck is civilized according to you?
I was talking about the Khwaresmian Empire, not the Persian Empire. You just counted them as uncivilized because you said...
But they weren't, not by any definition of the term. Also, these weren't shitty European countries. Hungary was a regional power, and Poland was quite important in Eastern Europe. Also, the Mongols had their empire at 1279. The Black plague you're thinking off occurred between 1346-1353. Hmmm...
Ugh you dumbass, that obviously wasn't meant to be taken literally. What I meant, and I'll spell it out to you, was that China and Greece were both civilized nations with scientific, philosophical, cultural achievements, a unified government and civil services. Not literally, they were the same thing.
Fields of Science. Examples?
Philosophy. Examples?
Military Tactics. Yeah, so did Genghis Khan.
Oh it did, it did. But the effect of the Mongols was more widespread. If it wasn't for them, Russia would have been a group of bickering nations for a lot longer.
Wow! While the introduction of 'One Russia' led to the unification of Russia under Muscovy, leading to the centuries of Russian history including WW2 and the USSR. Hmm... I wonder which had more effect...
I know that, but the Mongols encouraged it and re-introduced it back to Europe so to speak. The Dark Ages ended trade between China and Europe, the Mongol dynasty helped bring it back.
Egypt accepted Alexander pretty quickly, and declared him Pharaoh. Not exactly that hard. And Persia itself supported freedom of religion and integrated the various cultures in their territories, so they did the hard work in that department. He didn't even conquer India. So yeah, not as tough as the Mongols who invaded the Chinese Empire, the Khwaremzian Empire, the Russian Principalities and European Kingdoms.
You misunderstand me. The reason why it's not such a big deal is that Alexander continued integration in a region that was already heavily integrated. Genghis Khan did this over territories that barely met with each other and people who had never really got along. Basically he had to start from scratch.
The Persians helped integrate everyone in Persia long before, Alexander's father Philip helped integrate the Macedonians and Greeks and the Egyptians... hmm fair enough there.
They were regarded as barbarians as the Greeks... doesn't mean they're savages who scrape a tough living off the land. The Greeks considered lots of foreign cultures as barbarians, because they were outsiders and not Greek enough. So no, this comparison is retarded and not the same. The Macedonians were not technologically backward tribesmen.
They are, Alexander didn't make them. He spread it around. It's really not the same thing.
His work? Last time I checked Alexander didn't create Greek philosophy, Greek democracy and Greek culture. Also, he's respected because a bunch of dudes thought he was cool. If people thought that of Genghis Khan instead of Alexander we would be respecting him more... but he was basically Satan for Medieval Europe and Asian. Also, Genghis Khan's tactics are also studied, it's just that he's not as famous. Yeah, Genghis Khan made the second biggest Empire in the world, beating some of the biggest and strongest empires around in his spare time.
Sure, sure, keep believing that.
Fair enough. But seriously, culture is not everything.