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RE: Doom has come a long way since DOOM 1

>Well, I played it a lot a while ago, and the only way a newbie that got his arse kicked all over the place could get a lot (>10) of frags was to fire a BFG...
>
>On the other hand, it consumes
>50 energy cells at once....
>
>
>Are those Doom mods played a
>lot ? And where ?
>And where can you get
>them ?

The best is Doom Legacy which can be found at http://www.newdoom.com/doomlegacy/. It supports 32-players, OpenGL, translucency, VERY fast engine (we played a fullout 8 player game with old 486-33mhz's on a pentium 100 server and it ran quite well, that was the old version), no map limitations, jumping, server without rejoining, blood that splatters, wall marks, etc.

They're working on level-over-levels which is the effect I was talking about. One other port has that already implemented.

You may also check out the Newdoom page for other mods (many).

-Xotor-

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Its just a fact CS RULES
Q3A is good but not in against Counterstrike
 
RE: Doom has come a long way since DOOM 1

Actually, that "Windows over doors" thing could be done in the original Doom if you knew how to do it. I think doomworld.com has a list of editing tricks that people figured out with Doom. There's some pretty wacky stuff people did, like bridges you could walk over and under.

Duke 3D did have bridges, but they were basically really hard sprites.
 
Bull. It wasn't hard (except on hardest level, but then, how many people are there who want to play against respawning aliens?). And I'm completely convinced that when someone is saying that a game (any game) has no balance, it often means that he/she has trouble adjusting to one of the game's elements. It doesn't mean that everybody has the same trouble. Therefore, it doesn't give you the right to label the game "not balanced enough". For example, I think Red Alert was very unbalanced, and Tiberian Sun was.

Nobody says Half-Life because they're tired of seeing HalfLife get first place everywhere :-)
 
what the hell is wrong with you people, can't you even say one reason why CS is so good? All I see here is people saying "CS RULESSS!!! Q3A sucks!"

I posted tons of reasons explaining the contrary in the other thread, read them if you want.
 
Ok, maybe. It's such a long time since i played Duke i forgot how it was. I just now installed it and played through the 1st episode in two days.

BTW, half-life DESERVES 1st place everywhere. Q3 is a cash cow, Half-Life is art.

Ok, maybe that's putting it a bit on the edge :-P
 
I don't think Q3A sucks I just think it needs more variety in game modes. Yeah the mods have them but they're a hell of a download on a 56K modem. UT was far better for people like me with slow net connections. If you want an idea of how slow my modem can be I once got a ping of 12500 on diablo 2 and that not a typo it was twelve thousand five hundred.

http://www.crazyvasey.f2s.com
 
>I once got
>a ping of 12500 on
>diablo 2 and that not
>a typo it was twelve
>thousand five hundred.

Was that playable? Or was it just a momentary pocket?

Damnit, when my ping goes over 30 in Q3, I quit the server!
 
First of all for all you half life lovers i put Half Life Counterstrike in one of the choices. I just chose CS because it was my favorite of all of the half life mods (all of them are pretty good)

sweaty testes you want reasons why Q3 sucks? Everyone keeps telling you why.

1. its too easy. the only way it gets hard is when you put it on nightmare difficulty and the only thing hard about that is that the bots have perfect aim and thats just stupid.

2. its too unbalanced. Theres all these close up guns thers not even a sniper rifle? the closest thing was the railgun which is just about the ONLY good thing about Q3.

3. Its just deathmatch. deathmatch deathmatch deathmatch. its just the same playing against bots (which gets extremely boring) and playing MP with other people. Oh yes, and Q3 DOES have a CTF mode but any of us who have actually played it know that it is just deathmatch and occasionally some lamer picks up the flag.

Q3 is gay. Counterstrike is a great game. Theres lots of variety in the type of player you want to be (Rusher, Team Coverage, sniper, camper, ect ect) It also is has great graphix and is very realistic. The best thing about CS is it really requires skill. Theres no guns with huge blast radiuses that kill people in one hit (except sniper rifle and thats just a given) To be good at CS you have to have really good aim and it makes the game a lot of fun to play.
 
>1. its too easy. the
>only way it gets hard
>is when you put it
>on nightmare difficulty and the
>only thing hard about that
>is that the bots have
>perfect aim and thats just
>stupid.

Nobody plays Q3 seriously against bots. They're just boring. Obviously you're an HPW and find it boring to play online. It never gets boring, and the best players are just awesome. See, in counterstrike it's actually a small difference between a newbie and a good player, since there's nothing special you can learn to do.

>2. its too unbalanced.
>Theres all these close up
>guns thers not even a
>sniper rifle? the closest
>thing was the railgun which
>is just about the ONLY
>good thing about Q3.

The weapon balance in Q3 is great. There's no weapon that is superior to others (except BFG, but it's rare) The rocket launcher works very well at long distances too, if you know what you're doing. And the railgun... damn man, if you played DM17 with some proper player you would know.
And fyi, you can zoom the view in Q3 although it's pretty useless.

>3. Its just deathmatch.
>deathmatch deathmatch deathmatch. its
>just the same playing against
>bots (which gets extremely boring)
>and playing MP with other
>people. Oh yes, and
>Q3 DOES have a CTF
>mode but any of us
>who have actually played it
>know that it is just
>deathmatch and occasionally some lamer
>picks up the flag.

Q3 ctf is cool when the players are good and there's lots of them. There's tons of strategy involved then. If it's just a bunch of newbies running around it sucks. The learning threshold of Q3 is much higher than in CS, although one might not think that. When you play it a lot you notice though.

>Q3 is gay.

No, I believe it's heterosexual.

>It also is has great
>graphix and is very realistic.

People think CS is so *cool* because it's almost like real. But actually it's kinda shitty and unrealistic. I mean, players can make huge jumps, get shot in the leg and still run around, etc.
I'm not trying to say that Q3 is realistic. But so what? It doesn't have to be realistic to be good. Isn't Baldur's Gate quite cool?

> The best thing about
>CS is it really requires
>skill. Theres no guns
>with huge blast radiuses that
>kill people in one hit
>(except sniper rifle and thats
>just a given) To
>be good at CS you
>have to have really good
>aim and it makes the
>game a lot of fun
>to play.

it's not very hard to hit someone with a sniper rifle with 3x zoom when they're standing still or moving slowly. I'd like to see you hit someone who is strafejumping (most of you probably don't know what that is, it's *not* jumping sideways) with the railgun.
 
In CS if you get shot in they leg or you fall down you slow down. in quake 3 you can jump 80 ft in the air and still land safly.
and thats the point about sniping. people are always moving and it takes skill to shoot them. in q3, you get the bfg, rocket launcher, plasma gun shotgun and boom you can hit anyone because of the huge blast radiuses. and Sweaty if YOU dont like CS because its not realistic, then you are playing the wrong game cause q3 is the most unrealistic game i have ever played.
 
>In CS if you get shot
>in they leg or you
>fall down you slow down.
> in quake 3 you
>can jump 80 ft in
>the air and still land
>safly.

well, you do lose health...

>and thats the point about sniping.
> people are always moving
>and it takes skill to
>shoot them.

No, because they move so slow and often stand still. So unless you're a HPW it's pretty easy.

>in q3,
>you get the bfg, rocket
>launcher, plasma gun shotgun and
>boom you can hit anyone
>because of the huge blast
>radiuses.

*sigh* How many times do I need to say this? First of all, leave the bfg out because it's only on a few maps and nobody plays those. Hitting someone properly with the shotgun is really hard. I'm sure
a lot of people here can agree with that. And the railgun is much harder to hit with than any sniper rifle in CS.

>and Sweaty if
>YOU dont like CS because
>its not realistic, then you
>are playing the wrong game
>cause q3 is the most
>unrealistic game i have ever
>played.

I didn't say it sucked because of that. I said that people think it's cool because it's "realistic" when it's not that much. Those people should play Rogue Spear and see how they like it.
 
first of all NO ONE stands still in CS. every single player is running around the whole time. the only exception to this is AFK and lagged out players.
second i think it is REALLY easy to hit people with the shotgun in q3. Also the sniper rifle in CS is a lot harder to kill with than the railgun. The only way you can get a one shot one kill with the sniper rifle is by
a.) shooting someone in the head
b.)shooting somone who isnt wearing body armor in the chest or head.

I OWN Rouge Spear and i think its a good game. Not as good as CS of course. And for those of you who think that rouge spear is the most realistic game ever are wrong. cause in rouge spear you can get die from being shot in the leg or arm.
 
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